pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- North American Plaguelands
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Problem: A civilian ship detected them.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Night
Widow Null
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They probably don't use Starfleet-spec packages either, y'know.
We've been fighting Cardassians for years. They know all about anything we have that radiates. We know all about everything they do that radiates too. I would be disappointed if they couldn't spoof active scanning occasionally. Electronic warfare is an old art.
Honestly, our ships don't even run the same kind of sensors either. Nor the same operating systems. I suppose the entire line of Starfleet sensors from 2280 through 2210 might be affected but that doesn't actually make much sense.
e: Actually, the Oberth is even older than that. Like, 2260s sensors.
e: Actually, the Oberth is even older than that. Like, 2260s sensors.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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All those systems may have been refit.
Is there any sensor upgrade that got deployed to Starfleet but not to any of the member states?
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- Patriarchova
Did NO Starfleet Ship see the Konen ships, or was it just the Station?
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- Patriarchova
No starfleet ship saw the konen, besides that cargo ship.
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- Infraspace
Were there any Starfleet ships even in-system, though?
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- Patriarchova
Yes. The Excelsior, the Epiphany, and the Bantam.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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- USoA
So anything from the Miranda-class to the Renaissance-class are affected.
Yikes.
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- Australia
Civilian sensors detect them .... Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they do.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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- USoA
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[X][FORAGERS]
-[X] Requisition 3 more apiata foragers to serve as spotters for task forces 1, 3, and 5 (cost 25 pp)
[X][ENGINEERS]
-[X] Keep the Starfleet Engineering team supporting the fleet (lose one and a half year's worth of income, lose another 20 pp; keep Engineering team's support during the offensive)
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-[X] Requisition 3 more apiata foragers to serve as spotters for task forces 1, 3, and 5 (cost 25 pp)
[X][ENGINEERS]
-[X] Keep the Starfleet Engineering team supporting the fleet (lose one and a half year's worth of income, lose another 20 pp; keep Engineering team's support during the offensive)
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Yep, which is why we're scratching our heads here. Because they've apparently got a perfect counter to the sensors we use on literally every ship at our disposal to the point of effectively having a Combat Cloak, but civilian sensors and Member Fleet ships are still perfectly capable of resolving them.
Top level infiltration (or defectors from top level clearance) is the best explanation for what happened here, because the alternative are that they're literally wizards on a level that make the Mentats look positively tame (Because the Mentats were more likely to blow up in their own faces then come up with something mass producable.)
Of course, another possibility is that they got their hands on a sensor-specialist Mentat and that's how they've got such a ludicrously powerful effect that still fails absolutely outside of a very specific target grouping.
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At this point it matters little how it happened, what matters now is that we come up with a counter(of which I have much faith in, we are the Federation afterall), and educate the Konen as to why attacking noncombatants and federation civilians is a bad idea.
[X][FORAGERS]
-[X] Requisition 3 more apiata foragers to serve as spotters for task forces 1, 3, and 5 (cost 25 pp)
[X][ENGINEERS]
-[X] Keep the Starfleet Engineering team supporting the fleet (lose one and a half year's worth of income, lose another 20 pp; keep Engineering team's support during the offensive)
-[X] Requisition 3 more apiata foragers to serve as spotters for task forces 1, 3, and 5 (cost 25 pp)
[X][ENGINEERS]
-[X] Keep the Starfleet Engineering team supporting the fleet (lose one and a half year's worth of income, lose another 20 pp; keep Engineering team's support during the offensive)
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Knonen nada, I want to send a message to the entire flippin' Pact. Because I doubt these guys risked doing this without Cardie backing, especially since the Republic just got hit.
If another attack occurs, presidental approoval or not, I am going to advocate retalliation.
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- Australia
[X][Surrender]
-[X] Offer to become a client state as they clearly have magic that far outstrips our technology.
Alastor Mobius Toth
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- Neon Ghetto
This is of course a probability, but I'd dispute that it's the most likely explanation.
When would Konen specifically have the time and resources to either place a mole in Starfleet, or recruit someone with technical knowledge required for such go-around? Why them, and not Cardassians? If it had been a joint Ashalla Pact op, why are only Konen ships displaying these characteristics? You'd think with how much attention we had put on our internal security (in no small courtesy thanks to Syndicate) we would have noticed something. This is why I in particular think defection is unlikely. Linderly or someone else would have likely noticed a person with high clearance suddenly disappearing. Recruiting an internal agent would be more likely than that.
But if that was the case, then the Pact would have screwed up by wasting their hand and showing us what they're capable of, unless we're facing imminent invasion, since the value of moles lies typically in their ability to feed you constant information, thus dispelling the proverbial fog of war.
It could be that the latest nomadic species has provided them with some gizmo that spoofs our latest sensors for some highly specific technobabble reason. It could be that Konen mindjacked information out of Republic prisoners and found a specific flaw only they could exploit. It could be some form of ECM Konen had well in advance, but we never saw it in action etc. There are any number of scenarios that are equally likely, use consistent logic and fit the evidence we've seen so far.
However, this does raise us a question: are we still confident in our approach to Ashalla Pact? Because frankly after recent events, I don't think "we will sit back and drown them with ships" will actually be as effective as we think it's going to be.
Once upon a time Nash explained the fine details of our sensor systems to the Dylaarians. Just saying. It's definitely not the only possibility though.