To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[X][RD] Admiral Lathriss, Defensive Doctrine, Skill 3
This benefits all of our ships regardless and seems to be the doctrine players are gravitating towards regardless, and it makes it more likely to keep others away from the Core worlds of the Federation allowing them to out tech, out produce, and diplomance their way out of the conflict.
This benefits all of our ships regardless and seems to be the doctrine players are gravitating towards regardless, and it makes it more likely to keep others away from the Core worlds of the Federation allowing them to out tech, out produce, and diplomance their way out of the conflict.
lbmaian
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Responding to some older posts:
According to this post, starbases already have some repair abilities. Probably sufficient to handle the majority of use cases in a non-war situation.
My worry about requiring warp core refits is that the refit mechanics may work out differently for that case. QM already said it's going to be more expensive, which alone isn't an issue. But the refits might take longer, and the refit project may take longer (or worse, require research).
There's no evidence this is the case, but OneirosTheWriter has shown that he's very willing to revise game mechanics to avoid trivial decision making and ship designing.
Just to clarify: The only benefit of reusing ship components is waiving extra research cost, and that there's still going a reliability penalty, right?
In your example, if we reuse the scale 4 saucer but use a fudge factor of 4 (instead of 3), would that update the "previously used scale setting" to 4 for following ship designs?
According to this post, starbases already have some repair abilities. Probably sufficient to handle the majority of use cases in a non-war situation.
My worry about requiring warp core refits is that the refit mechanics may work out differently for that case. QM already said it's going to be more expensive, which alone isn't an issue. But the refits might take longer, and the refit project may take longer (or worse, require research).
There's no evidence this is the case, but OneirosTheWriter has shown that he's very willing to revise game mechanics to avoid trivial decision making and ship designing.
Just to clarify: The only benefit of reusing ship components is waiving extra research cost, and that there's still going a reliability penalty, right?
In your example, if we reuse the scale 4 saucer but use a fudge factor of 4 (instead of 3), would that update the "previously used scale setting" to 4 for following ship designs?
In the same sense that burning down your house can get rid of a big spider, yeah.Hm. So we need one Borg cube to magically pop into Cardy space and it will handle the problem by itself?
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
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From what we've been told I'd say yes, but until we actually design our first new ship the exact way it'll work in unknown.
Night_stalker
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[X][RD] Amarkian Arsenal - Riala Team, Ship Design (Explorer), Skill 3
It's unclear what threshold of damage tips it over from a Starbase to a Shipyard berth, but I'll point out that we currently have two ships, the USS Vigour and the USS Miracht, out for repair. Both required berths. So did the Cheron when it was sabotaged. (Hey, remember how the Romulans murdered a bunch of our personnel? Funny how no one seems to hold that against them.) On the other hand, the Courageous was repairable at a Starbase when it was damaged during the energy being invasion.
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It has quite consistently been shipyards for > 3 months, starbases for = 3 months, and for combat damage generally 3 months per point of hull damage (except for the Svai which took 9 months despite only having 1 hull point and the Courageous which was left with 5/7 and only took 3 months).
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I'm designing a Modular Medium Cruiser right now that's only slightly worse than an Excelsior. It's designed to use a Scale 2 module, so that we can have something for the Nebula later.
Right now, it weighs between 1.6 mt and 1.8 mt for the various variants, with a cost of 180 BR/115 SR including mission pod.
Stats are C4 S4 H4 L5 P3 D6 base, with the Combat, Science, and Presence variants going up to 6. It also has plenty of power for refits, with 7 reserve on the base and Presence variant, and 4 reserve on the Combat and Science variants. It uses only L2 techs, and has a reliability of 99%. Thoughts?
(It's in the main sheet under AD's ModLC)
Also, thoughts on a pocket explorer vs medium cruiser? Which has better techs?
Right now, it weighs between 1.6 mt and 1.8 mt for the various variants, with a cost of 180 BR/115 SR including mission pod.
Stats are C4 S4 H4 L5 P3 D6 base, with the Combat, Science, and Presence variants going up to 6. It also has plenty of power for refits, with 7 reserve on the base and Presence variant, and 4 reserve on the Combat and Science variants. It uses only L2 techs, and has a reliability of 99%. Thoughts?
(It's in the main sheet under AD's ModLC)
Also, thoughts on a pocket explorer vs medium cruiser? Which has better techs?
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@anon_user , anyone else who wants to weigh in, any thoughts on what cultural stuff the Cardassians shared in their contacts with the Federation so far?
I'm doing a freighter Captain piece for an outside perspective.
I'm doing a freighter Captain piece for an outside perspective.
Depending on what the bolded part means, I'm not sure if we can make scale 2 modules right now.
I really hope that's not what it means.
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Having read through this thread over the past week or so, I do believe everyone was commenting at the time on how it simply didn't make sense; once the actual reasoning behind their actions was revealed, the players (as well as the Federation as a whole) were a little too focused on ohgodbiophage to care overly much about a comparative handful of casualties inflicted the previous quarter. If it turns out that the Cardassians have some overriding reason for wanting to blow up everything that happens to be in the same direction as the Federation, such as a hideous bioweapon on the loose, I suspect the players will reevaluate the recent activities of the Cardassian Union as well.
Until such information comes to light, however, the Cardassians are going to be viewed as simply a new set of noisy neighbors who need to be taught the rules.
Katsuragi
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So. Two random questions:
1: Is anyone from the NG/DS9/Voyager era active and noteworthy at the moment?
2: What happens if the Federation runs into a pre-warp civ that's otherwise advanced? Like, if they ran into a 2400~ tech level civ that was just chilling on their planet because they'd never had a reason or the desire to venture out? Would standard rules apply?
1: Is anyone from the NG/DS9/Voyager era active and noteworthy at the moment?
2: What happens if the Federation runs into a pre-warp civ that's otherwise advanced? Like, if they ran into a 2400~ tech level civ that was just chilling on their planet because they'd never had a reason or the desire to venture out? Would standard rules apply?
aeqnai
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1: Guinan, Tuvok, one of the earlier Daxes, but most of the others either haven't been born or haven't yet learned to walk.
2: Presumably they'd dust off the old analyses and protocols from that one time Kirk found out a pre-warp civ were actually energy-being hippies.
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[X][RD] Admiral Lathriss, Defensive Doctrine, Skill 3
Prime Directive specifies warp or equivalent technology levels. If they somehow have STO level tech but no FTL, then it certainly doesn't apply.
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Medium Cruiser:
It's equipped for everything but a diplomatic crisis – the Excelsiors can handle those.
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For 4 more techs, I can cut cost by 10 BR 15 SR to 170/90. Reliability takes a hit though to 98%.
C6 S5 H4 L4 P4 D6
For 4 more techs, I can cut cost by 10 BR 15 SR to 170/90. Reliability takes a hit though to 98%.
lbmaian
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@OneirosTheWriter, after taking a look at the revised research megapost, I have two main concerns with how research is working in this quest:
1) With so many research categories, it seems inevitable that many of them will be neglected, possibly even for longer than a decade. There just isn't enough incentive to have research teams be activated for research categories that they're not specialized in. So this leads to a situation where we have unrealistic patterns of research going on (seriously, you'd expect a least a bit of research going on in each category), and it also trivializes research teams to only focus on their preferences.
I can think of a couple ways we can improve this:
1a) Lower the research bonus that research team preferences give. Instead of 2x bonus, maybe 1.5x bonus (rounded) while also raising all current skill levels so that the research costs don't have to be rebalanced. This would give more incentive to research outside preferences, especially toward lower tier tech.
1b) Provide a set of default research teams that don't have any preferences. Perhaps start off with 4 research teams with skill 1 or so. To disincentivize using these default research teams over normal research teams, they won't have any exp to grow skill.
If we want this default skill to grow over time, we could have the skill of all default research teams be incremented once all techs of a tier are researched across all research categories, or alternatively provide a council option costing PP to do this once prereqs are met.
1c) Provide a slow (skill 1) default research for all research categories that don't have any research teams assigned to them. Optionally have skill grow as above. I actually don't like this particular approach, since there isn't player agency in this, and it may scale oddly with more research categories - I would favor (1b) over this.
2) Once we do finally get sufficient research teams and sufficient RP to cover all categories, then that pretty much takes decision making out of the research phase. This can be semi-addressed by simply adding more and more research categories, but I think you already have comprehensive coverage of all ST tech categories, so adding more research categories may start feeling very artificial.
Again a couple things can be done here:
2a) Allow assigning multiple research teams to the same research category, with some sort of penalty for over-specialization. Maybe if multiple teams are assigned, only one may apply its bonuses (both preference and the +5).
2b) Introduce an actual tech tree per research category, where further tiers of research split into separate research branches. Research teams should have preferences on the overall research category, so they can research all further tiers with the research bonus - they'll just have to choose a particular branch. Basically, something similar to recent revamp: at the lower tier we were researching the full category, but then the category got "split" into 2 or 3.
The tech tree can be represented like this:
Sensors
- [T1] Basic
- [T2] Short-Range
- [T2] Long-Range
- [T3] Anti-Cloaking
- [T3] Targeting
- [T3] Long Range
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aledeth
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Or just build a baby Excelsior.Medium Cruiser:
It's equipped for everything but a diplomatic crisis – the Excelsiors can handle those.
C6 S5 H4 L4 P4 D6
For 4 more techs, I can cut cost by 10 BR 15 SR to 170/90. Reliability takes a hit though to 98%.
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I'm starting to get the feeling that going for a max-sized medium cruiser would be better than trying to get the Rennie-hell, we can even call it the Rennie! The main thing the canon rennie has over a medium cruiser would be the ability to stuff it into 1mt berths, but since I doubt we want to-or are able to-build more than a couple Excelsiors a year, AND we're about to add a fuckton of new 3mt berths, having a 1.8mt cruiser doesn't sound that bad. Plus, it's actually easier to design than trying to cram everything into something only slightly larger than an escort
[X][RD] Admiral Lathriss, Defensive Doctrine, Skill 3