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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Hmm, I don't think we really need a new explorer ship class that soon. I'm pretty sure we'll get a chance at an Excelsior refit within the next 5 years. If we got one for a Centaur just 6 years after its introduction, then the Excelsior is actually long overdue for a refit.

Also don't think personal tech is that important yet, and like others said, is probably more ubiquitous, and it's only a skill 2 team.

Very tempted toward warp tech with the research category split on it, but no else is voting for it, and it's also a skill 2 team.

So...

[X][RD] Admiral Lathriss, Defensive Doctrine, Skill 3

Briefvoice said:
Speaking of Defensive Doctrine, does it seem to everyone that we already seem to have a strong preference towards Forward Defense?

It seems like when allocating ships, the instinct is to put as many on the border as possible and garrison the home sectors only as much as we need to. If that is how the thread naturally wants to do things, then Forward Defense makes sense.
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This doctrine works well with conventional threats like the Cardassians. May backfire against less conventional foes like those with sufficiently advanced cloaking, or something like a Borg cube that Starfleet was only barely able to destroy in canon.
 
lbmaian said:
Hmm, I don't think we really need a new explorer ship class that soon. I'm pretty sure we'll get a chance at an Excelsior refit within the next 5 years. If we got one for a Centaur just 6 years after its introduction, then the Excelsior is actually long overdue for a refit.
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We really do need a new explorer class sooner rather than later, ships that aren't the enterprise with their freakishly good crew ratings are actually seeing failure a lot more often than we want, more than that ship research is being split into multiple techs which means we need more than one ship design team regardless.
 
UbeOne said:
I still have that Heavy Defiant in case a Borg cube decides to show up. :V
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Well even the Defiant wasn't enough to take on the Borg. That makes me wonder what the ship stats of a Borg cube is. Has to be high enough to swat out like 50 ships in the late 2360s. Probably something like 100 all across the board.

edit: including 100 presence - Borg are extremely persuasive :V

SuperSonicSound said:
We really do need a new explorer class sooner rather than later, ships that aren't the enterprise with their freakishly good crew ratings are actually seeing failure a lot more often than we want, more than that ship research is being split into multiple techs which means we need more than one ship design team regardless.
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I'm aware that the techs are being split up. But I don't see a critical need for new explorer ship classes yet. I think I've seen examples of Excelsior-B refits that are already pretty good, and like I said before, I'm expecting a refit design available within 5 years.
 
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lbmaian said:
I'm aware that the techs are being split up. But I don't see a critical need for new explorer ship classes yet. I think I've seen examples of Excelsior-B refits that are already pretty good, and like I said before, I'm expecting a refit design available within 5 years.
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We don't get to choose what the refit does and I'm pretty sure the design will be less than ideal, we have 3m T berths that we could be making use of to make something like the Ambassador class ship instead of a very slightly improved excelsior.

Also keep in mind ship design times are long when you factor in prototyping and then the actual class build time, if we started next turn it would be around 12 years times that the first of the new class of explorers gets rolled out.
 
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lbmaian said:
Well even the Defiant wasn't enough to take on the Borg. That makes me wonder what the ship stats of a Borg cube is - enough to swat out like 50 ships in late 2360s. Problem something like 100 all across the board.
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I think a Sovereign-class Explorer can defeat a Cube, so it wouldn't have 100 in any stat.
 
UbeOne said:
I think a Sovereign-class Explorer can defeat a Cube, so it wouldn't have 100 in any stat.
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You mean Picard taking one out in ST: First Contact? The Enterprise-E didn't fight it alone.

Battle of Sector 001 - there were at least 30 Federation ships and the Borg cube was still roflstomping them.

Only Picard used hax to strike a killing blow. In game mechanics terms, ships he captains probably have a +50C against Borg or something.
 
The Borg, while still having high stats ofc, probably gain most of their strength from a myriad of special rules and abilities.

Their ability to adapt their shields to best negate incoming attacks, redundancies for every single system and assimilated technologies and tactics from hundreds if not thousands of species probably make them extremely powerful, beyond their already high stats.

Picard probably had fuck-off huge doctrine modifiers from his experience with them, including being part of the collective. This allows him to negate most of the Borgs abilities as well as bring down their effective stats a lot.
 
lbmaian said:
This doctrine works well with conventional threats like the Cardassians. May backfire against less conventional foes like those with sufficiently advanced cloaking, or something like a Borg cube that Starfleet was only barely able to destroy in canon.
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(in reference to Forward Defense) Well yes, each doctrine is going to have strengths and weaknesses or it wouldn't be much of a choice. However by definition we're going to be facing conventional foes more often than unconventional ones, and it seems like the instinct for conventional foes is to stop them at the border. Look at how fast we jumped on establishing a Cardassian Border Zone the very first turn it was offered.
 
Next set of updates to the Research Megapost is up - there's now a Science Explorer research option! Ooh, that would be nice.
 
lbmaian said:
You mean Picard taking one out in ST: First Contact? The Enterprise-E didn't fight it alone.

Battle of Sector 001 - there were at least 30 Federation ships and the Borg cube was still roflstomping them.

Only Picard used hax to strike a killing blow. In game mechanics terms, ships he captains probably have a +50C against Borg or something.
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*reads*

They actually sent Oberths, Mirandas and a Soyuz to fight the Cube? Really?
 
Given the Cube's capabilities, having multiple good science ships present in the battle is probably necessary.

I can't really excuse Miranda or Soyuz except "oh shit oh shit throw everything at it!", which to be fair, is actually a decent response for it reaching Earth orbit.

e: To be fair to the Soyuz, that one was trapped in a temporal anomaly for 90 years. I have no idea why they threw it at the Cube, maybe they were in the process of scrapping or studying it. The rest of the Soyuz class were scrapped before the 24th century.
 
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Algalon said:
The Borg, while still having high stats ofc, probably gain most of their strength from a myriad of special rules and abilities.

Their ability to adapt their shields to best negate incoming attacks, redundancies for every single system and assimilated technologies and tactics from hundreds if not thousands of species probably make them extremely powerful, beyond their already high stats.

Picard probably had fuck-off huge doctrine modifiers from his experience with them, including being part of the collective. This allows him to negate most of the Borgs abilities as well as bring down their effective stats a lot.
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Yup, I hope the quest gets to the point where we meet the Borg. Just please not anytime soon.​

UbeOne said:
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They actually sent Oberths, Mirandas and a Soyuz to fight the Cube? Really?
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Well, it was an all hands on deck situation. This was also in the middle of the Dominion War, so I'm pretty sure Starfleet was reactivating all the mothballed vessels it could get its hands on.

And Oberths were still useful as general scout and science ships.

Briefvoice said:
(in reference to Forward Defense) Well yes, each doctrine is going to have strengths and weaknesses or it wouldn't be much of a choice. However by definition we're going to be facing conventional foes more often than unconventional ones, and it seems like the instinct for conventional foes is to stop them at the border. Look at how fast we jumped on establishing a Cardassian Border Zone the very first turn it was offered.
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Yeah, I agree that forward defense is generally more optimal. I'm still paranoid about a crisis that somehow bypasses the borders though.

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pheonix89 said:
The only reason that one didn't go loud was the intervention of godlike energy beings. There aren't any of those here.
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That we know of :V

Given how common they are in Star Trek I wouldn't count that out.

Also, aren't the prophets in the area? I think they count.
Crazy Tom said:
Ahhhh. I had not realized that.

Do we have weight savings figures for other ships? Say I want t reuse a Centaur saucer?
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One of my hopes for my last Omake is getting just such a part. (Alternatively, getting ships like Raging Queen or USS Curry added to the list of canon designs we can get.)
aledeth said:
I don't think there's a benefit to doing 0 fudging, as reliability doesn't matter above 100%. It's mostly a question of where to draw the line.
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The benefit – or at least the logic behind the Shelly design – is that it can allow a non-specialized team to complete the ship design in a single year.
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For example, in the 1920s and 1930s, the US was worried about Poland (yes, Poland!) turning Peru into a colony and expanding into the (then mostly unknown) Amazon rainforest. Neither the US or Poland were anywhere near Peru and Poland had a 0% chance of colonizing Peru, but it still made people in the State Department paranoid.
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That sounds hilarious, source?
 
Hey guys, I'd like to point out long range sensors has a starbase tech that boosts starbase defense by 1. This is pretty awesome(even though it has a steep 100rp cost)
 
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