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Don't we need the buffer for continuous build and crew losses because of GBZ, Cardassian war, ... ?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Personally it's because I don't see Nash as Admiral material. Once you go above Commodore and entire the Admiral ranks there is a very clear shift from field roles like commanding ships/fleets to administrative and political roles. As an Admiral Nash pretty much loses any chance at being on a starship again, barring rare events like massive battles in the GBZ, and is instead stuck filing forms and playing politics, activities she hates. I fully believe that once she gets promoted to Rear Admiral Nash will only last a couple years before retiring.
After all there are a lot more opportunities for getting back into space as a civilian then there are as a Rear Admiral. Especially for someone with Nash's resume.
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Was that our time-displaced research colony?
We'd be immediately in trouble again if the HI Park was anywhere similar in effect. One academy expansion early on (like this year) could pay for an entire ship worth of crew by 2320. If you're thinking of berth expansion, we should get two in the next 3 years.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Nope.
Aga Carmide is listed, and in any case the relevant post hadn't been updated since march.
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[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
And the heavens shall tremble.
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
And the heavens shall tremble.
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Yards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, Resume 1 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior refit, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
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Heavy Ambassador simply seems more Trek-like ...
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[Need some time to think about the various naming votes]
I don't like the 'glass jaw' on the light Ambassador design. My impression is that ships rarely die of (for example) a failed Science or Presence check without first getting to roll a Combat/Hull/Shields check. Weak Hull could cost us an explorer or two at some point. Plus, this class is going to be in combat during the 2330s and '40s, and is likely to be facing opponents with pretty good shield penetration rolls sooner or later. We'd get the benefit of being able to service Ambassadors in the various 2.5-megaton berths we have kicking around, but that is of doubtful utility, especially since future explorer berths are almost certain to be constructed to a scale that permits them to fit Ambassadors.
Given that for the foreseeable future almost all our Ambassador construction will be aimed at the Explorer Corps, EC crew recruitment is the key stat to look at. Allowing for some expansion of the Federation by the time series production begins in 2323 or so, we're going to have enough crew to outfit a new Explorer Corps ship roughly every other year regardless of which design we pick; if we were beginning series production right now instead of about 6-7 years from now it'd be a strong argument in favor of the medium design, but we have some leeway.
So the decisive issue for me is the better stats; the heavy design has +1 hull, science, and presence, significantly improving the chance of the ship passing event checks with a green crew, and increasing survivability in the event of a failed check.
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
The "CREW1/NAME1" option is the one Leslie was overseeing construction of during 2313-15 at Ana Font. I'm not going to weigh in on the names (yet), but I do want that one in the Corps.
OOC, we're trying to keep her in spacegoing commands longer, and Starfleet has very few of those at rear admiral rank and none at vice admiral rank.
Also, if we see any chance to increase Explorer Corps recruitment rates we should grab it with both hands, because that's going to become a major bottleneck for Ambassador construction as we try to get Ambassadors into the Explorer Corps and (presumably) ease the Excelsiors back into regular garrison duty starting around 2330.
I don't like the 'glass jaw' on the light Ambassador design. My impression is that ships rarely die of (for example) a failed Science or Presence check without first getting to roll a Combat/Hull/Shields check. Weak Hull could cost us an explorer or two at some point. Plus, this class is going to be in combat during the 2330s and '40s, and is likely to be facing opponents with pretty good shield penetration rolls sooner or later. We'd get the benefit of being able to service Ambassadors in the various 2.5-megaton berths we have kicking around, but that is of doubtful utility, especially since future explorer berths are almost certain to be constructed to a scale that permits them to fit Ambassadors.
Given that for the foreseeable future almost all our Ambassador construction will be aimed at the Explorer Corps, EC crew recruitment is the key stat to look at. Allowing for some expansion of the Federation by the time series production begins in 2323 or so, we're going to have enough crew to outfit a new Explorer Corps ship roughly every other year regardless of which design we pick; if we were beginning series production right now instead of about 6-7 years from now it'd be a strong argument in favor of the medium design, but we have some leeway.
So the decisive issue for me is the better stats; the heavy design has +1 hull, science, and presence, significantly improving the chance of the ship passing event checks with a green crew, and increasing survivability in the event of a failed check.
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
The "CREW1/NAME1" option is the one Leslie was overseeing construction of during 2313-15 at Ana Font. I'm not going to weigh in on the names (yet), but I do want that one in the Corps.
There she is. The Last Connie.
I am QUITE sure people will make that comma placement error. Perhaps sadly, we're likely to build quite a few more Excelsiors over the next 5-10 years, although I suspect few of them will be going into the explorer corps after about 2318, to save up crew for the Ambassadors.
I think it's deployment issues. The ships aren't ready to leave their garrison posts until then. Or I could be wrong.
Extremely effective ones, and even more extremely classified ones.
IC, she's five years behind her sister captains of the 2301 Five Year Mission simply because she stayed on her bridge. The appropriate person to compare her promotion history against is Thuir, and he only made rear admiral this year. Ka'sharren is likely to be along in a year or two herself. That's not so bad, given her history of making political trouble (remember that she cost us 50pp of political will to keep around for ten years as a captain because of all the times the Council got cranky about her imploding a moon or seducing an alien senator).
OOC, we're trying to keep her in spacegoing commands longer, and Starfleet has very few of those at rear admiral rank and none at vice admiral rank.
Yeah. Since political will isn't especially tight right now, I think we should keep investing in crew expansion for a while longer.
Also, if we see any chance to increase Explorer Corps recruitment rates we should grab it with both hands, because that's going to become a major bottleneck for Ambassador construction as we try to get Ambassadors into the Explorer Corps and (presumably) ease the Excelsiors back into regular garrison duty starting around 2330.
Honestly, I think our biggest priorities for berth expansion should be building some heavy berths near the Cardassian border where we can put damaged explorers. Right now, if we take heavy damage to an Excelsior in a battle near Indorian or Apiata space... the closest Starfleet facility capable of handling a busted explorer is Tellar. And in the event of a major war, any heavy berths the Apiata and Indorians have are likely to be needed for their own damaged capital ships.
lbmaian
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Okay, in the interest of having a viable alternative build plan:
The basic idea is that we might as well take advantage of Chen's bonus as much as possible while it still exists. So I'm pairing a Miranda-A build instead of the lone Miranda-A. The GBZ and border zones can always use more combat frigates.
This in turn requires delaying Sarek's refit, but on the other hand, that allows a "To Boldly Go" FYM launch this year (last chance for Mrr'shan?), and the Sarek is already a beast at C8 S8 H7 L7 P8 D6 (and likely going to be Elite sooner than later).
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, 2 Miranda-As, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
Other votes:
[X][BETA] Bajel Marrett Shipyards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
The basic idea is that we might as well take advantage of Chen's bonus as much as possible while it still exists. So I'm pairing a Miranda-A build instead of the lone Miranda-A. The GBZ and border zones can always use more combat frigates.
This in turn requires delaying Sarek's refit, but on the other hand, that allows a "To Boldly Go" FYM launch this year (last chance for Mrr'shan?), and the Sarek is already a beast at C8 S8 H7 L7 P8 D6 (and likely going to be Elite sooner than later).
[X][BUILD] 2316 2 Ambassadors, 2 Miranda-As, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation Refits
- SF Berth A (3mt) – Move UP Berth B Excelsior build here in 2316.Q2 (ETC 2317.Q1)
- SF Berth 1 (1mt) – Resume interrupted build for Miranda-A NCC-1665 in 2316.Q2, as dual build using Chen's bonus. Note: 1 quarter year of build done, resource cost already paid. (ETC 2317.Q3)
- SF Berth 2 (1mt) – Begin Miranda-A as dual build using Chen's bonus (ETC 2317.Q3)
- 40 Eridani Berth A (3mt) – Sojourner repair/refit continues. (ETC 2316.Q3)
- 40 Eridani Berth B (3mt) – Endurance repair/refit continues. (ETC 2316.Q3)
- 40 Eridani Berth 1 (1mt) – Begin refit of Svai in 2316.Q1 (ETC 2317.Q1)
- 40 Eridani Berth 2 (1mt) - Begin refit of Lion in 2316.Q1 (ETC 2317.Q1)
- Betazoid Shipyard Berth 1 (1mt) – Berth available as of 2316.Q2. In 2316.Q3, begin refit of Sappho to Constellation-A (ETC 2317.Q3)
- Betazoid Shipyard Berth 2 (1mt) – Berth available as of 2316.Q2. In 2316.Q3, begin refit of Challorn to Constellation-A (ETC 2317.Q3)
- Ana Font Berth A (2.5mt) - Occupied with Excelsior build (ETC 2317.Q1)
- Ana Font Berth 1 (1mt) - Occupied with Renaissance build (ETC 2317.Q2)
- LOCF Berth A (2.5mt) – Leave empty.
- LOCF Berth 1 (1mt) – Occupied with Renaissance build (ETC 2318.Q2)
- UP Berth A (3mt) – Occupied with Excelsior-A double build using Chen's bonus (ETC 2318.Q2)
- UP Berth B (3mt) – In 2316.Q2 move Excelsior build to SF Berth A. In 2316.Q2 begin Ambassador prototype as dual build using Chen's bonus. (ETC 2321.Q4)
- UP Berth C (3mt) – Occupied with Excelsior-A double build using Chen's bonus (ETC 2318.Q2)
- UP Berth D (3mt) – Berth available as of 2316.Q2. In 2316.Q2 begin Ambassador prototype as dual build using Chen's bonus. (ETC 2321.Q4)
- UP Berth 1 (1mt) – When Renaissance completes in 2316.Q3, leave empty.
- UP Berth 2 (1mt) - When Renaissance completes in 2316.Q3, leave empty.
- UP Berth 3 (1mt) - When Renaissance completes in 2316.Q3, leave empty.
- UP Berth 4 (1mt) – Berth available as of 2316.Q2. Leave empty.
Other votes:
[X][BETA] Bajel Marrett Shipyards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
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- alphen aan den rijn
is the current science ship better or worse then the explorers?
because i would like maybe some more civilian ship around
colony ship/mining ships/trade ships/ something small we can sent of to do science stuff that is not a cruiser
because i would like maybe some more civilian ship around
colony ship/mining ships/trade ships/ something small we can sent of to do science stuff that is not a cruiser
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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We've got the Apinae Yard coming online in a year, with one 3mt and ine 1mt berth. That'll probably be our main Cardassian Border repair yard
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Oh, just noticed the second Megatortoise is done.
Come on sneks, let us have our photon lance refit...
Come on sneks, let us have our photon lance refit...
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
I'm going with the heavy Ambassador. Big is beautiful baby!
Meh. I was never a big fan of the Galaxy class. At best I found it... tolerable.
And the Probert Amby inherited the Excelsior's God-awful anorexic engineering hull.
I'm going with the heavy Ambassador. Big is beautiful baby!
I mean look at this sleek beauty:
Compared to the Canon Ambassador which is fat, angly, and derpy:
Meh. I was never a big fan of the Galaxy class. At best I found it... tolerable.
And the Probert Amby inherited the Excelsior's God-awful anorexic engineering hull.
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Our current science ship has the same S as the explorers, and kinda sucks aside from that. We're going to be prototyping a replacement for it very soon.
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The "crew problem" is solved at current berth count, with current ratio of refits to new builds, outside a war. Crew is the slowest input to increase, if we need to we can commission a number of shipyards and new berths at the same time, or request a budget increase along with a bunch of new mines, but we can only ask for one academy expansion per year, so we should continue to do so as long as we can reasonably afford the pp. Waiting until actual need becomes apparent is too late.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Enterprise-C, to Ambassador:
"You know what? Let's fight."
[X][BETA] Oreasa Starfleet Shipyards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][NAME1] Tarrak
[X][NAME2] Pleezirra
[X][AMBY] Heavy Ambassador
Okay, I've already explained my reasoning for CREW1, CREW2, and AMBY. I like 'Oreasa' better than the competitors, though if I could find a good-sounding Majel Barrett reference I'd use it in the same spirit that gave us Ana Font. Especially since for better or for worse, Barrett DID play the most famous full-blooded Betazoid of the Star Trek franchise.
Naming Excelsiors in honor of the Indorians and Apiata seems appropriate. As for NAME1, I think it's too soon to name a ship after Kirk. Yes, he's been gone for 22 years, you can make a case for it, but I generally prefer that ships be named for more 'deep history' figures except in unusual wartime conditions (e.g. the Americans' WWII habit of naming destroyers after Pearl Harbor casualties).
As for the name choice itself, well. Looking at it from Leslie's point of view...
To him circa mid-2313 or '14-15, the upcoming Excelsior at his yard was Garland Belle, in the same sense that USS Salnas began her life as 'Bob' in the Miracle of Berth posts. The Indorians have been visiting with him for a couple of years and he gets along with them famously, so if word on the street is that the next pair of Excelsiors are going to be named to honor the two newest Federation members, he juuuust might try to pull a few strings to get 'his' explorer named for them. And he does know an awful lot of people within Shipyard Ops, so...
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i think we might want too build 1 or 2 science ships. just so that we can trow it at something wierd
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Losing Chen means we have less available berth space overall, so I would prefer more berths sooner rather than later. Having only 2 or 3 free berths, along with half a dozen or so available member fleet berths + repair yards, is closer to the line that I'd like.
But I'm willing to wait for more berths until 2319. New shipyard by 2320 at Indoria or Ferasa are attractive options.
edit: Oh yeah, we don't have a non-auxiliary shipyard at Amarkia yet, so that's still a good option.
Pretty damn sure it's lost. Narrative strongly indicates that there's no way for the Aga Carmide research station to return, if the Enterprise-B couldn't (it's a fricking huge station, not a starship). The 2315 EOY assumes that it's lost. Nix's maps note that it's lost.
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You probably constructed this from snakepit results, right? Ke'luur was acquired directly as event reward IIRC.
To be honest, Elite Sarek vs Green Ambassador/Enterprise during her trials gets me excited. Can't wait for that. Sarek is de-facto carrying the flagship torch for now. It may make sense to keep her in space.
What build plan has the Sarek available at the time of the Ambassador launch?
What build plan has the Sarek available at the time of the Ambassador launch?
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Ke'luur was purchased way before the point where I thought the front page was up to date.
I actually used the front page listing, then hit up the snakepits since the last updated points. But I missed Ke'luur because other colonies from that year were listed.
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aledeth
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The Oberth class is laughably bad at anything other than Science compared to our Explorers.
We aren't in charge of building civilian ships, and civilian ships never respond to events like science stuff anyway.
As others have said, we're going to develop a new, MUCH better Science ship in the next year or two, so there's little desire to build a new ship that will immediately be incredibly obsolete.
Are there build plans that forecast out to 5 years like that?