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[X] [PLAN] Plan Continuity 2315

[X][COMMS] Starfleet Science Academy : 2320s Federation Datanet

[X][VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Geological Sensors

[X] [BOOST] Generic Team 1, Generic Team 4, Andorian Academy, Vulcan Science Academy

I like the random Diplomatic Push of the Federation Datanet.
 
So this is a difficult vote, but at the basic level, I disagree with Briefvoice on the matter of Isolinear Computing. Leaving that for later is just asking for a choke point in our research efforts.

[X] [PLAN] Plan Continuity 2315

[X][COMMS] Starfleet Science Academy : 2320s Decryption

[X][VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Geological Sensors

[X] [BOOST] Generic Team 1, Generic Team 4, Vulcan Science Academy

Also, it looks like we might have to suffer through our crew deficit. Ugh that's gonna suck.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
You'll have to provide some justification to that. In five years, 2320s, we aren't expected to make so many ships that we can afford more than 2 per small sector, 3 per big sector or 3-4 per BZ, and we are expecting a war which will probably have us down to High Alert or State of Emergency levels.
e: And more importantly, ship stats aren't going to change, so what the heck kind of event would need more than 2 ships? Or 3 ships if that's our present limit? Even two Miri-As can handle science events.
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Well, let's map it out. In 2321, I'm projecting approximately the following...

~16 Miranda-A
~10 Centaur-A
~5 Oberth
~9 Constellation-A
~8 Renaissance
~1 Constitution-A
~9 Constitution-B
~2 Excelsior (+2 in refit)
~17 Excelsior-A (9 of them in Explorer Corps, leaving 8 for garrison duty)

Assumed sectors
Sol (can be supported by ships from LBZ and SBZ) - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Vulcan (Can be supported by ships from RBZ) - Constitution-B, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Andor (can be supported by ships from RBZ and KBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Tellar (can be supported by ships from SBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Amarkia (can be supported by ships from SBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Ferasa (can be supported by ships from CBZ and KBZ) - Excelsior-A, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Rigel (can be supported by ships from LBZ and SBZ) - Excelsior, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Apinae (can be supported by ships from CBZ and SBZ) - Constitution-B, Constellation-A, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Romulan Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Centaur-A, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Klingon Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Centaur-A, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Cardassian Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Constitution-A, Renaissance, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Sydraxian Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Gabriel Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Excelsior, Renaissance x 2, Constitution-B x 4, Miranda-A x 8
Licori Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2

Just as a hypothetical for how we might distribute forces around that time.

e2: And we're going to have cross-border response eventually, which means even less reason to stack up event responders.
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I would think more reason to stack up event respondents, because you have a good chance to get usage from otherwise 'wasted' ships in the border zones where there otherwise wouldn't be enough events to use them all.
 
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MTB said:
Any chance the Cardies have problems with the 'Overlords' the !Tau'ri fled from, or do I completely mess up directions?
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You completely mess up directions. The Tauri's masters fled coreward, from a location far tailwards from cardassian space. Its quite possible the Cardassians are having a war with someone else (would certainly explain why they haven't taken advantage of our own moment of weakness), but there's no reason to think its with them.
 
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MTB said:
Any chance the Cardies have problems with the 'Overlords' the !Tau'ri fled from, or do I completely mess up directions?
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Unlikely, unfortunately. The Tauni seem to be up at the top of the map, and their overlords fled even further up. They shouldn't be anywhere near the Cardassians principal territories, although it's theoretically possible they've met. We don't really have a good sense for how far the Cardassians have explored except in our direction.
 
Leila Hann said:
You completely mess up directions. The Tauri's masters fled coreward, from a location far tailwards from cardassian space. Its quite possible the Cardassians are having a war with someone else (would certainly explain why they haven't taken advantage of our own moment of weakness), but there's no reason to think its with them.
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Our moment of weakness were 6 months? That's not much time to plan an assault into the Federation, and move assets.
 
Off-topic I know, but if we're using civilizations from other media, can we have a version of the Scarrans in here? I think the whole 'needs to eat a certain plant to stay sentient' thing would draw immediate sympathy from the Federation, and the fact that the common Earth dandelion works just fine for Scarran purposes would probably see them become affiliates so fast the Cardassians wouldn't know what happened. Of course, if they're anything like canonical Farscape Scarrans then we'd need to see massive cultural reforms before they could actually join the Federation.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Off-topic I know, but if we're using civilizations from other media, can we have a version of the Scarrans in here? I think the whole 'needs to eat a certain plant to stay sentient' thing would draw immediate sympathy from the Federation, and the fact that the common Earth dandelion works just fine for Scarran purposes would probably see them become affiliates so fast the Cardassians wouldn't know what happened. Of course, if they're anything like canonical Farscape Scarrans then we'd need to see massive cultural reforms before they could actually join the Federation.
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I see just an in-game problem: how did the Scarran become a Warp-capable species without being able to do something about that dependency (and if it's only synthesizing the active components)?
 
On the question of the Cardassian other borders, my estimation is that:
1. Yes it's likely they have other rivals on other borders, but...
2. Those rivals are not quite as close as the Federation is.
3. They encounter those rivals less than the Federation would encounter similar powers, simply because our ships tend to range farther and because they have surrounded themselves with buffer client states.
4. Their tensions with those rivals are likely at low simmer, much like the "standard" TOS-era tensions with between the Federation and the Klingons or Romulans.
5. A break-through NAP or other agreement with such a rival could lead to rapid mobilization against the Federation, much like Khitomer and the thaw post-Biophage led to rapid march to war between the Romulans and Klingons. In fact, we could already be seeing this if the Cardassians manage to, say, subdue the Konnen within the years between Federation first contact and the Treaty of Celos.
 
Leila Hann said:
You completely mess up directions. The Tauri's masters fled coreward, from a location far tailwards from cardassian space. Its quite possible the Cardassians are having a war with someone else (would certainly explain why they haven't taken advantage of our own moment of weakness), but there's no reason to think its with them.
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Well, we asked for a Cardassian diplomatic posture report for the first time in years. Hopefully that will provide some clues as to what's up.
 
MTB said:
I see just an in-game problem: how did the Scarran become a Warp-capable species without being able to do something about that dependency (and if it's only synthesizing the active components)?
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Perhaps they'd just hit Warp capability? If they're still at the first couple Warp factors, it's not impossible they'd have trouble making replicators good enough to mass-produce the substances? If you're referring to 'why not augment it in?' then they might have had a problem with eugenics similar to the Eugenics Wars, so they decided to look for more places to grow the crop instead, hence the focus on space colonization.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
The Old Lady, Kahurangi, entered the Academy at 2256, graduated at 2260. Took 19 years after graduation to reach Captain. A total of 25 years to hit flag rank, plus 5 to Rear, plus 5 to Vice, plus 6 to Admiral. I daresay, as someone who ticked every box, and kept her nose clean, Kahurangi was a relatively meteoric rise in that old Starfleet. Only people like Kirk and ka'Sharren hit Captaincy faster than that. But I wonder how must shorter the wait to get flag rank is at the moment with the tripling of billets. Not sure how to model that. Maybe if I look at the first turn's personnel pool, the total ship crews, and take that as the spacegoing part of Starfleet, and then compare that. Because it's people who were already in service in 2301 who have a chance at these flag ranks atm.
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Well, one thing to keep in mind that not only are people rising faster, you are seeing a smaller number of officers and enlisted getting released for having served their maximum time in grade simply because there's something like 3 times the number of billets that need filling on all levels.

Overall though? Those who stay with the ever expanding Starfleet are likely to see flag rank in 15 to 20 years instead of 25 years or longer, but once Starfleet's size stabilises again 25 years or longer will become common again.

A young senior officer corp is often an indication of rapid expansion of an organisation, a nasty conflict with large numbers of officer casualties, or both, after all.
 
Briefvoice said:
Well, let's map it out. In 2321, I'm projecting approximately the following...

~16 Miranda-A
~10 Centaur-A
~5 Oberth
~9 Constellation-A
~8 Renaissance
~1 Constitution-A
~9 Constitution-B
~2 Excelsior (+2 in refit)
~17 Excelsior-A (9 of them in Explorer Corps, leaving 8 for garrison duty)

Assumed sectors
Sol (can be supported by ships from LBZ and SBZ) - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Vulcan (Can be supported by ships from RBZ) - Constitution-B, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Andor (can be supported by ships from RBZ and KBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Tellar (can be supported by ships from SBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Amarkia (can be supported by ships from SBZ) - Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Ferasa (can be supported by ships from CBZ and KBZ) - Excelsior-A, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Rigel (can be supported by ships from LBZ and SBZ) - Excelsior, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Apinae (can be supported by ships from CBZ and SBZ) - Constitution-B, Constellation-A, Constellation-A, Centaur-A
Romulan Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Centaur-A, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Klingon Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Centaur-A, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Cardassian Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Constitution-A, Renaissance, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Sydraxian Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2
Gabriel Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Excelsior, Renaissance x 2, Constitution-B x 4, Miranda-A x 8
Licori Border Zone - Excelsior-A, Renaissance, Constitution-B, Oberth, Miranda-A x 2

Just as a hypothetical for how we might distribute forces around that time.
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Thanks for this information. It looks like between an overfilled estimate and an underfilled estimate: we still have some 2-ship sectors and some crucial sectors have no more than 3, we definitely don't have the ships to do 2 explorers per BZ, but we do have some sectors that will be highly stacked.

I would think more reason to stack up event respondents, because you have a good chance to get usage from otherwise 'wasted' ships in the border zones where there otherwise wouldn't be enough events to use them all.
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I'm operating under the assumption that we typically will miss a few events (mostly due to DCs) than typically not miss events. We'd expect cross-border event responders to cover missed events over covering not-missed events more greatly. Once those are filled (difficult DC though), we're back to an infinitesimally small benefit to extra ships.

Under the not-charitable response rules (where ships can accidentally respond to early events but leave later events unfilled), it is definitely a worse situation. Under the charitable response rules, we don't get much out of it at all.
 
One thing that might actually argue for 3 responding ships stacking onto single events (assuming we have enough ships that this won't cause missed responses) is if there are improved rewards for higher margins of success on the rolls.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Perhaps they'd just hit Warp capability? If they're still at the first couple Warp factors, it's not impossible they'd have trouble making replicators good enough to mass-produce the substances? If you're referring to 'why not augment it in?' then they might have had a problem with eugenics similar to the Eugenics Wars, so they decided to look for more places to grow the crop instead, hence the focus on space colonization.
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I thought more about how we produce insulin.
 
MTB said:
I thought more about how we produce insulin.
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It's quite plausible for the life-sciences of a species to be greatly retarded compared to its physics and engineering, due to quirks of history and culture.

EDIT: But the Scarrans are a silly species. Hell, Farscape is a silly franchise. Enjoyable, sure, but silly as hell.
 
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MTB said:
I thought more about how we produce insulin.
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In Farscape, they'd become a space-faring race without solving the problem that way, so I assume the molecule they require is too complex to easily produce artificially.

Edit: Or what Godwinson said. Or both. If their life-sciences are behind and the molecule is very difficult to make, then they'd probably consider it easier to just try other planets than wait for their biochemistry studies to catch up.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Intelligence Report

Our friends among the Yrillians have told us of one of the Independent Drive Yards completing a Hasque on behalf of the Sydraxian government, as in-flux as that concept is at the moment. Likewise, the surviving Hasques have finished repairs.
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Commentary: my interpretation here is that this means the window of opportunity for pushing the Gretarians is over.
 
[X] [PLAN] Plan Continuity 2315

[X][COMMS] Starfleet Science Academy : 2320s Decryption

[X][VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Geological Sensors

[X] [BOOST] Generic Team 1, Generic Team 4, Vulcan Science Academy
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Commentary: my interpretation here is that this means the window of opportunity for pushing the Gretarians is over.
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Eh, four or five Hasques without cruiser support is not an insurmountable force. We could draw up C20-25 for the SBZ fairly easily, and that would probably be enough to ward them off. It's still an option, but hopefully it won't be necessary depending on which faction ends up on top.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Eh, four or five Hasques without cruiser support is not an insurmountable force. We could draw up C20-25 for the SBZ fairly easily, and that would probably be enough to ward them off. It's still an option, but hopefully it won't be necessary depending on which faction ends up on top.
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I'm not saying ward them off, we could do that no matter their force although we really never have had the option to do so. I'm saying that they now have the means to retaliate against the Gretarians if they so chose, when didn't before.

e: Also, the Treaty of Celos would forbid us from intervening against a Sydraxian force.
 
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