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Can someone explain why we should be so impressed with the Lion and her captain? As far as I can tell, they got thrown back in time and then just followed the obvious warp trail and joined the obvious battle.
 
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Leila Hann said:
Can someone explain why we should be so impressed with the Lion and her captain? As far as I can tell, they got thrown back in time and then just followed the obvious warp trail and joined the obvious battle.
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Which means they swooped in, saved Kirk's ass and helped stop the entirety of Federation history from being erased, yes.
 
Leila Hann said:
Can someone explain why we should be so impressed with the Lion and her captain? As far as I can tell, they got thrown back in time and then just followed the obvious warp trail and joined the obvious battle.
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I'm not saying they necessarily did anything amazingly hard. Maybe it was easy for them. But:

1) We don't know what they went through to get there; it could have been quite arduous. Also...

2) They were there when we needed them. Sometimes, a big part of heroism is just having the decisiveness to take advantage of an opportunity conferred by being in the right place at the right time. It's easy to say such a person got lucky- and yet, empirically, there are many seemingly deserving people, placed in comparably challenging situations, who fail for reasons that are hard to pin down. So recognition for the person who does capitalize on "right place, right time" isn't the worst of ideas.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Hoshi waves a hand at him. "Don't tell me that, I know I'm on the clock already." A series of error buzzes emanate from her console, until finally a friendlier ding sounds. "Perfect. Enterprise NCC-1701 and NCC-1002, this is shuttle 1701-B/5, please respond."
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I'd decided that Enterprise-B's shuttles are named after previous Enterprise Captains. And while the Robert April is Stol and Bazeck's project it's probably too finicky to risk someone unfamiliar using at this time.

Which makes me suspect that the shuttle that Nash brought over is the Jonathan Archer and that when she's in the NX Enterprise's bay and getting out there's a moment of confusion for her when she can't figure out why everyone is so gobsmacked by the shuttle until she turns around to see what everyone is looking at.

Which is why Hoshi uses the Shuttle's number, because it's real awkward for everyone for her to use the name.

> : V
 
AKuz said:
I'd decided that Enterprise-B's shuttles are named after previous Enterprise Captains. And while the Robert April is Stol and Bazeck's project it's probably too finicky to risk someone unfamiliar using at this time.

Which makes me suspect that the shuttle that Nash brought over is the Jonathan Archer and that when she's in the NX Enterprise's bay and getting out there's a moment of confusion for her when she can't figure out why everyone is so gobsmacked by the shuttle until she turns around to see what everyone is looking at.

Which is why Hoshi uses the Shuttle's number, because it's real awkward for everyone for her to use the name.

> : V
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They don't use the Archer too often. It gets captured every time :D
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'm not sure we'd be doing Samhaya Mrr'shan a favor by giving her a second five-year mission. She clearly loves her job, but it's not the only job she loves. Part of the reason Nash and Straak were kept on for a second mission is because it's hard to imagine them being happy in the positions we'd promote them to. Nash is having to adapt quite a bit, and Straak... well. Rocks.

But Sam would do just as well as a flag officer as Eaton, T'Lorel, and Thuir have, so I don't want to hold her back just for continuity aboard Enterprise.
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Fair enough.

Though, TBH, Straak would have been happy using his skillset best on an Oberth or even on a prospecting ship, as long as he could play with rocks.
Leila Hann said:
Can someone explain why we should be so impressed with the Lion and her captain? As far as I can tell, they got thrown back in time and then just followed the obvious warp trail and joined the obvious battle.
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I agree. That said, Volkov should get a panel spot.
 
Night said:
But not for your paranoia or your skills at intelligence work.
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The best way to keep what happened to the Lion low key is to just stick to the explanation we've already given. The standard other race reply to an admission of ship loss from poking a temporal anomaly is "what the heck were you idiots doing poking a temporal anomaly?", plus the analysis that the Lion might return came from a scientific investigation team rather than from intelligence so it's not exactly a deep dark secret. We're better off to play to their biases than presume that they will show uncharacteristic special interest.
 
Briefvoice said:
I would actually like to send the Enterprise into refit next year. Go ahead and let it rest for a year while we upgrade it to an Excelsior-A.
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The ship will probably require some serious repairs after this mission. Seems like as good a time as any to upgrade it.

Though I wonder, will we retire the Ent-B when we field the C? Or will we just have two Enterprises deployed at the same time? Because if we refit the B, it should still be good for at least another decade or so. And it's not like a Excelsior-A won't always be useful.
 
AlphaDelta said:
Fair enough.

Though, TBH, Straak would have been happy using his skillset best on an Oberth or even on a prospecting ship, as long as he could play with rocks.
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Yeah, but there's no way to promote someone from Sarek to an Oberth or a prospecting ship.

I agree. That said, Volkov should get a panel spot.
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Suffice to say that Volkov belongs on the panel, and in my opinion has done the special deed required to earn a second five-year mission IF she captures the playerbase's attention and interest enough that people are seriously considering her for one. The special deed is not a priori a reason we must re-up her for a second five-year mission. It's just one of the minimum necessary conditions for doing so.

Tylonius said:
The ship will probably require some serious repairs after this mission. Seems like as good a time as any to upgrade it.

Though I wonder, will we retire the Ent-B when we field the C? Or will we just have two Enterprises deployed at the same time? Because if we refit the B, it should still be good for at least another decade or so. And it's not like a Excelsior-A won't always be useful.
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An Elite Excelsior-A will remain competitive with a stock Ambassador for quite a while, at least until the Ambassador in question hits Veteran. I don't think we should prematurely switch out the Name to an Ambassador at the cost of retiring a highly successful ship with an elite crew.

Unless it becomes obvious that event DCs have ratcheted up so high that Excelsiors can no longer compete in the Explorer Corps, I think we should keep the Enterprise-B in service as long as possible. Elite crews don't grow on trees.

Briefvoice said:
I would actually like to send the Enterprise into refit next year. Go ahead and let it rest for a year while we upgrade it to an Excelsior-A.
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Enterprise:

"It's like I said to Nash..."

"They are forgiven as they forgive all those dark wounds and deep,
Their beds are made on the lap of Time and they lie down and sleep..."

"She will come back— come back again, as long as the blue worlds roll.
He never wasted a leaf or a tree. Do you think He would waste a soul?"

[smiles]
 
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Night said:
No I think it's absolutely widely agreed upon that we're not going to designate an Ambassador as the C until after B has left service, rather than pre-designating a replacement. For one thing it just mechanically makes sense.
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Do you have proof of this? Because I know for sure we haven't done any sort of vote on deciding that.
 
Yeah, no, we're not making a C until for one reason or another continuing to field the B becomes untenable. Anything else would be just silly.
 
Okay, look, let's not be dismissive and rude about this.

The idea of commissioning a new Ambassador-class as the Enterprise-C even if this means renaming/decommissioning the Enterprise-B. Some people approve, others don't.

On the whole, there doesn't seem to be a good mechanical reason to do so. And the gameplay precedent would be Kirk's Enterprise during the rise of the Excelsior-class, wherein we went a decade with a Connie Enterprise and actually went so far as to commission another Connie as the Enterprise-A, rather than launching an Excelsior-class Enterprise. The Enterprise-B wasn't launched until the Constitution-class Enterprise-A had taken such extensive battle damage that decommissioning the ship would become a practical necessity.
 
Assuming we get them back, send both Lion and Enterprise-B in for refit - temporal mileage really does a number on the warranties and service levels.
 
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Basically the only scenario that makes sense aside from the Ent B being retired or destroyed is if like, it's severely damaged and they decisive it's better to have an enterprise out there with a newly commissioned ambassador than wait for it to be repaired.

Which is a pretty outside case.
 
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