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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[X][TLOREL] Operations Officer, Starfleet Tactical Command, +1 to Offensive Doctrine Research
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Data Modelling, Ship Design Bureau, +1 to Sensor Research
[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Captain Michel Thuir
-[X] USS Sarek: Captain Revak
-[X] USS Miracht: Captain Langa Mbeki
[X][COM] Commodore Viraan zh'Dohlen

I must say, the only choice that seems outright poor to me is for Sulu to get the personnel command. Given the Explorer Corps will likely top out at about 5 ships or so, his ability just doesn't seem very useful.

Add to that, by the time we would get any use out of his ability, he'll probably be ready to retire or at least hold down another job...

Also, given that this is Sulu, I am pretty sure a more suitable job will be available for him next turn or the turn after.

fasquardon
 
@OneirosTheWriter

I've been meaning to ask is there any difference in how your ship design doc would handle something like the Olympic class?


@Nix

Threw together my own custom design Cruiser, it's... well it's probably not really a sensible design I've put it together with the idea that a good deal of it's draw is in the saucer design element. A scale 5 saucer hull with 5 levels of design efficiency which is useful for both current and future cruiser and Explorer designs in the future.



Differences are -1C +2S -1H +2L +2P D- 50 Br cheaper and 45 SR cheaper compared to an Excelsior whilst the ship is a cruiser.

So very slightly worse at combat damage output and hull strength whilst being fairly significantly stronger in every other area.

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fasquardon said:
I must say, the only choice that seems outright poor to me is for Sulu to get the personnel command. Given the Explorer Corps will likely top out at about 5 ships or so, his ability just doesn't seem very useful.
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That's not correct. Sulus bonus isn't going to be useful but that's not because we're limited to five ships in the explorer corps. The QM stated he'd not be able to write all the captains logs for a large fleet of explorers. Those explorers would still be out and about but there wouldn't be narrative entries written for boring things like +10 SR found.
 
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[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Data Modelling, Ship Design Bureau, +1 to Sensor Research

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maram Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir

[X][COM] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
 
[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Signals Division, Starfleet Intelligence, more accurate ship counts for other powers.

I have no strong opinions about T'Lorel, but I think with Eaton we should go with more accurate assessments of ship counts so we can better judge future ship needs for defense.

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maram Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir

While ideally I'd like a Vulcan, Human, and Tellarite mix here, as Nash is an Andor--- hey wait one goddamn minute

there's not a single Tellarite candidate for 5YM!

Anyways, Maram has probably the best bonus in the entire pool. She also seems borderline Tellarite as well so she's an obvious shoe-in. In addition to being a really swell guy, Michel Thuir also has a really good bonus -- we've heard tons of times about how one calamity or another was saved by a re-roll. Were it possible I'd like to put Rosalee in charge of the Courageous and Ajam in the Sarek, but some proportionality is needed.

Therefore, out of the Vulcan side of things, I think Straak has the best bonus for a 5YM. T'Rinta is tempting, but I'm not sure how much we need Combat out on 5YMs. It's a very small province in the skills of a ship's captain after all

Revak is and continues to be a poor choice, even if he is a fellow political science major. I do not know why you would pick him over someone who could re-roll a potentially crippling event.

[X][COM] Commodore Viraan zh'Dohlen

Tellarite Male, 57
Current Posting: Operations Officer, Starfleet Tactical Command
A tough and canny battle commander who can help guide your Captains. +5% to final combat value in fleet battles.

This is a protest vote because of no Tellarites in 5YM pool. :mad::cry::V

Much like in the fandom IRL, poor Tellarites keep getting ignored. I'd suspect it's because they're not conventionally attractive!

Frankly none of the bonuses are that impressive, unless someone wants to talk me through the Andorian's. I might come around then.
 
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pheonix89 said:
@OneirosTheWriter
What's the crew skill bonus progression?
I thought it was each skill up (Blooded/Veteran/Elite) gives +1 to all but Defense, but then I took a closer look and I'm seeing this:
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There is an extra +1 Science+Presence for having Explorer Corps crew.

SuperSonicSound said:
I've been meaning to ask is there any difference in how your ship design doc would handle something like the Olympic class?
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Not an issue that I can see.

pheonix89 said:
And is it WAI that crew skill doesn't seem to increase Defense?
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That's correct
 
SuperSonicSound said:
That's not correct. Sulus bonus isn't going to be useful but that's not because we're limited to five ships in the explorer corps. The QM stated he'd not be able to write all the captains logs for a large fleet of explorers. Those explorers would still be out and about but there wouldn't be narrative entries written for boring things like +10 SR found.
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And that's still not the reason that Sulu's bonus isn't going to be useful!

When it says he reduces the Combat count of "Explorers" by 1, that doesn't mean ships in the Exploration Corps, that means all Excelsior class Cruisers. But we're currently at about 110 on Combat (count on front page is wrong) and won't get higher than 137 with all the ships currently being built. Our Current Maximum Cap is 230.
 
Briefvoice said:
And that's still not the reason that Sulu's bonus isn't going to be useful!

When it says he reduces the Combat count of "Explorers" by 1, that doesn't mean ships in the Exploration Corps, that means all Excelsior class Cruisers. But we're currently at about 110 on Combat (count on front page is wrong) and won't get higher than 137 with all the ships currently being built. Our Current Maximum Cap is 230.
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Front page has been updated to 113 Combat.
 
Hope people remember the last time we didn't pick Sulu. Humans are gonna be miffed even more and are going to be wondering about anti-human sentiment in Starfleet.

Yes Starfleet is rather human dominated, or at least was. But make sure to not go too far in the other direction. AFAIK humans did do a lot of heavy lifting and the dying during the various burshfire wars/skirmishes against the Klingons. Passing Sulu up again is going to increase grievances and misgivings from humans even more.

Frankly Sulu's bonus in intel was better than this.

@OneirosTheWriter when is Sulu expected to retire anyways?
 
[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Signals Division, Starfleet Intelligence, more accurate ship counts for other powers.

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maram Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir

[X][COM] Commodore Viraan zh'Dohlen

Okay I swear it's not just me being biased towards Andorians this time, see, I didn't pick a single Andorian captain. Not a one.

All the bonuses seem pretty marginal, but Viraan at least gets us a few extra explorers each turn. Given that even with the crew transfer we will only barely be able to find enough officers for the Excelsior that's coming out of the Tellar Prime shipyards soon and we have no margin for error in the event of catastrophe we really need all the bonuses to Explorers we can get.
 
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pheonix89 said:
Ah. Still leaves a mysterious floating +1 Presence on Enterprise, but solves the rest.
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Leaniss provides a +1 to Presence

Briefvoice said:
But one can't stay on the frontier forever; time takes its toll. I am happy with Nash for a second five year mission, but not a third. If she's sensible enough to accept a promotion to Commodore in five years, I think she could do a good job leading one of the Sector fleets. By that time we should have the Amarki integrated and requiring their own Sector fleet... that would be a great position for Commodore Nash.
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Nash is 36, she could be out there for two more decades yet. Or more. Personally, I plan to push for her until we retire Enterprise-B

Also, I'm pretty miffed to see Revak and Talan th'Zahliss on these lists, they're completely pointless and it's an utter and total waste of space.

We can get those by other means and often do. Having actual useful abilities is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more useful on an Explorer corps vessel than something honestly not huge. I would prefer to take the ships which we put in the most risk, and I would like to make them as good as possible, a vote for either of these is saying "I don't give a shit, I want to nerf the survival and success ability of the most risky missions in the Fleet. I would like to risk crews by taking away abilities that might save the say. Using a reroll even once might be the equivalent of all five years of the mission of dull PP and RP that we'd get from these two.

I am vehemently against them being picked. They are useless and we will regret it. Our crews will regret it, and our budgets will regret it.

EDIT: Now if you will excuse me, I have to go find a way to avoid this travesty
 
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AKuz said:
We can get those by other means and often do. Having actual useful abilities is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more useful on an Explorer corps vessel than something honestly not huge. I would prefer to take the ships which we put in the most risk, and I would like to make them as good as possible, a vote for either of these is saying "I don't give a shit, I want to nerf the survival and success ability of the most risky missions in the Fleet. I would like to risk crews by taking away abilities that might save the say. Using a reroll even once might be the equivalent of all five years of the mission of dull PP and RP that we'd get from these two.
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How often are said useful abilites actually applicable
 
AKuz said:
Also, I'm pretty miffed to see Revak and Talan th'Zahliss on these lists, they're completely pointless and it's an utter and total waste of space.

We can get those by other means and often do. Having actual useful abilities is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more useful on an Explorer corps vessel than something honestly not huge.
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Seriously y'all. We frequently get better than +5 [whatever] a year off of successful missions. Rerolling and having the sort of bonuses Ajam provides helps ensure these sorts of outcomes, or at least makes sure things like the Phage don't eat our ship or the Romulans don't ambush them.

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All the bonuses seem pretty marginal, but Viraan at least gets us a few extra explorers each turn. Given that even with the crew transfer we will only barely be able to find enough officers for the Excelsior that's coming out of the Tellar Prime shipyards soon and we have no margin for error in the event of catastrophe we really need all the bonuses to Explorers we can get.
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I have trusted your math before don't let me down now

Sorry Tellarite guy, just not your day.

Yeangst said:
How often are said useful abilites actually applicable
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EDIT: Quite a bit. And the ones that Thiur and Straak get are very good in terms of dealing with unexpected events, which happen a lot on 5YMs.
 
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Yeangst said:
How often are said useful abilites actually applicable
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We had one log where two out of three of our Captains used it. That alone would make it useful

I wish I had some idea of what the totals were so I could find some way to stop this... (Hmmmmm... > : P)

Like, I can't begin to express how annoyed I'd be if we chose either of those two, the Reroll has to only happen ONCE for the ability to be worth more than these two
 
AKuz said:
We had one log where two out of three of our Captains used it. That alone would make it useful

I wish I had some idea of what the totals were so I could find some way to stop this... (Hmmmmm... > : P)

Like, I can't begin to express how annoyed I'd be if we chose either of those two, the Reroll has to only happen ONCE for the ability to be worth more than these two
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does it? We get the +5 pp and +5rp every year. And those are the two biggest resource bottlenecks we have.

It turns out that T'lorel didn't do that many First Contacts, and the Sarek and Enterprise did fine mapping without a reroll.

In fact, they all handled hazardous situations, boarding, distress calls and whatever other situations we encounter perfectly fine without rerolls.

If you don't want them for narrative reasons, fine. But don't try to argue that flat pp and rp are not the best mechanical bonuses. Just like how Sulu voters admit that his bonus is a bit useless, but want him anyway.
 
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Yeangst said:
does it? We get the +5 pp and +5rp every year. And those are the two biggest resource bottlenecks we have.
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We got 5pp for like, naming a ship. It's not that important of a bonus.

EDIT: haha, 5??? I meant 10. We got 2 years of hard Revak work from naming a ship. What I'm getting at here is it's better to be pro- rather than re-active.

EDIT: Despite his memetic status, on review of AKuz's captain tier chart some pages back I'd be willing to swap Thuir for Mbeki. Diplomacy and presence is pretty dope.
 
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[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Battle Review Division, Starfleet Tactical Command, extra research bonuses from battles
[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Michel Thuir
-[X] USS Sarek: Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Langa Mbeki

[X][COM] Commodore Hurgok Sagek
 
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Data Modelling, Ship Design Bureau, +1 to Sensor Research
[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year

[X][COM] Commodore Viraan zh'Dohlen

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maryam Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Captain Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir

(After looking at the Tally hopping on this vote should be the most likely way to dislodge Revak and Talan) (Just the captains, the rest is preference.)
 
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[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Signals Division, Starfleet Intelligence, more accurate ship counts for other powers.

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maram Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Straak
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir
[X][COM] Rear Admiral Hikaru Sulu
 
AKuz said:
(After looking at the Tally hopping on this vote should be the most likely way to dislodge Revak and Talan) (Just the captains, the rest is preference.)
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Not jumping on the Straak train? He seems fairly popular as an alternate choice.

Also I have to wonder if this vote isn't a little weird. @OneirosTheWriter, are you looking at which Captains have the most overall votes regardless of their placement, or are people's votes strictly counted as Captain + Placement? For example, I'm looking at @aledeth 's vote. He and I clearly both want Michel Thuir as a 5YM Captain, but I'm worried because he's putting Thuir as the Courageous' captain and I'm putting him as the Miracht's our vote is effectively split.

V O T I N G S Y S T E M S
 
[X][EATON] Director, Starfleet Data Modelling, Ship Design Bureau, +1 to Sensor Research
[X][TLOREL] Director of Operations, Starfleet Explorer Command, +2 pp/year

[X][COM] Commodore Viraan zh'Dohlen

[X][FYM] Select Captains
-[X] USS Courageous: Maryam Ajam
-[X] USS Sarek: Captain T'Rinta
-[X] USS Miracht: Michel Thuir
 
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