To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

A couple of comments on the post.

OneirosTheWriter said:
So it has come to war.

The beast that lurks within has been freed from its chain, and the Federation will flex its might. For the first time in many years, the commander of Starfleet looks out over their domain and prepares to do harm. You must now set aside questions of righteousness, the question of if this is necessary, if it could have been avoided, if the President is up for the task. Right now you know that the only way out is through, and the quicker and more decisive you can make this fight, the less bloody and the less risky it will be.

As always, your first task in the new year is to tend to the forges of exploration, the shipyards that dot the Federation.

It's going to be funny when we eventually have a less poetic Admiral, and their response to situations like this is a string of curses, following by a sigh and the words, "Now lets start building some boats!"

As per Starfleet Regulations IV-12 (a) and United Federation of Planets Edict, as Superintendent of this Shipyard Berth, I herein certify that the project under my command, the construction of the USS Voshov (Excelsior-class Explorer, Fleet Order NCC-2015) is complete, assessed, and ready to be presented to the Fleet Register.

Sincerely,
Captain T'Pana

So with the Voshov, we will have four ships on Explorer Corps missions (Odysey, Atuin, S'harien, and Voshov) plus the Stargazer... easily enough to meet the Council's requirement for four ongoing FYM. At least that lets us avoid political blowback for taking the Enterprise and Sarek off EC duty.

Auxiliary:
1 Hospital Ship (Prototype) (NX-3501) @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 1 (ETC 2318.Q1)
2 Freighter (NCC-3601, -3602) @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 2,3 (ETC 2317.Q2)
1 Prospector (NCC-638) @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 4 (ETC 2316.Q2)

Boy, even auxiliary ships take forever to build, don't they? It's going to be a long struggle to "catch up".

Assignments

None

A more comprehensive deployment plan will be asked for when the Renaissance launches

A bit of leftover text... Anyway, as I recall we preassigned the Rru'adorr and the two new UP Excelsiors to the Licori conflict.

Available Non-obsolete Ship Classes
Explorers/Cruisers
Excelsior 2287-Now [511m, 2.3m t]

C6 S5 H4 L5 P5 D6
Cost [230br 150sr, 4 years], Crew [O-6, E-5, T-5]

This should actually be the Excelsior-A with the new Excelsior-A stats, shouldn't it?

Member World Coordination Office

[MWCO NB: only 2 Vulcan and 1 Andorian Miranda are yet to be refitted to the Miranda-A model]

Commissioned:
Andor - 2 Miranda-A Refits (now at 4/5 total)
Vulcan - 2x1mt Berths @ Atatan (Hanath-Cho)

Sweet, if the Vulcans don't immediately fill those berths we may be able to use them for repairs for Licori war damage.

Orions - 2xBerth Upgrades 600kt->800kt @ Alukk

Those as well.

Starfleet Intelligence Report

Admiral,

Indications are strong that two of the under development shipyards Cardassia is establishing have been completed. One is at Karadoc, the other at Cardassia. Both shipyards consist of a pair of Jaldun-size berths. The other shipyards should complete within the year.

Dutifully,
Commander Tabhria Palanna, Supervisor, Office 34, Starfleet Intelligence

So isn't that slightly less bad than @lbmaian was estimating? I believe his assumptions were built around the idea that the new shipyards would have three berths each, to allow for Cardassian preference to carry out rotating 3 year Jaldun builds.

Member World Coordination Office Supplementary

The Amarkian navy is rushing the two newly refitted Hebrinda-A class vessels to the GBZ to replace the damaged CAS Jolintoor and Odala.
-

Good news indeed! The Amarki will soon be back up to strength there.

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

DarknessSmiles said:
what if we just did more rennies instead of the excelsiors? save up a little crew surplus for needing to replace casualties from the current war and potential flare-ups with Cardassia.

Just tried plugging that in. It hurts us crew-wise a little in the shorter term; because of Chen's bonus, the Renaissances would need to be crewed in 2316, putting us into an Officer deficit.

The Excelsiors build in 3 years with Chen's bonus, keeping the crewing pushed out to 2317.

DarknessSmiles · Apr 14, 2017

Briefvoice said:
Just tried plugging that in. It hurts us crew-wise a little in the shorter term; because of Chen's bonus, the Renaissances would need to be crewed in 2316, putting us into an Officer deficit.

The Excelsiors build in 3 years with Chen's bonus, keeping the crewing pushed out to 2317.

if we are so close to the edge with crew, shouldn't we consider holding off on anything but refits then? because we need to have at least some reserve for casualties.

MTB · Apr 14, 2017

DarknessSmiles said:
if we are so close to the edge with crew, shouldn't we consider holding off on anything but refits then? because we need to have at least some reserve for casualties.

We have that option (snakepit?) to go for 20 crew as long as there is a war.

DarknessSmiles · Apr 14, 2017

MTB said:
We have that option (snakepit?) to go for 20 crew as long as there is a war.

wouldn't it be a lot better to not take that if we can? and that crew is temporary. so once the conflict ends we may end up in crew debt across the board and that would suck all kinds of balls.

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

DarknessSmiles said:
if we are so close to the edge with crew, shouldn't we consider holding off on anything but refits then? because we need to have at least some reserve for casualties.

(Looks at four empty berths.) I'd say my plan has us holding off quite a bit, since it only has us starting 3 ships, all of which won't have to be crewed for two years. Depending on casualties this year, we might further reduce starting builds next year.

Here, I just tried simulating 5 casualties in every category this year. We're still fine for the ships I'm proposing starting this year, though we might have to reduce a ship next year to make up for it down the line.

MTB · Apr 14, 2017

DarknessSmiles said:
wouldn't it be a lot better to not take that if we can? and that crew is temporary. so once the conflict ends we may end up in crew debt across the board and that would suck all kinds of balls.

Sure, but that allows to finetune after we know how much losses we have to take into account.

Briefvoice said:
Here, I just tried simulating 5 casualties in every category this year. We're still fine for the ships I'm proposing starting this year, though we might have to reduce a ship next year to make up for it down the line.

Absolut worst case - a finished ship couldn't be crewed immediately and would be mothballed?

DarknessSmiles · Apr 14, 2017

Briefvoice said:
(Looks at four empty berths.) I'd say my plan has us holding off quite a bit, since it only has us starting 3 ships, all of which won't have to be crewed for two years. Depending on casualties this year, we might further reduce starting builds next year.

Here, I just tried simulating 5 casualties in every category this year. We're still fine for the ships I'm proposing starting this year, though we might have to reduce a ship next year to make up for it down the line.

fair enough. hopefully that's enough

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

MTB said:
Sure, but that allows to finetune after we know how much losses we have to take into account.

Absolut worst case - a finished ship couldn't be crewed immediately and would be mothballed?

it costs mobilization points. a lot of them. so we want to avoid it if at all possible.

and ships not getting crewed on time is at least a year (+demothball time) to get it online. really do not want.

MTB · Apr 14, 2017

Briefvoice said:
and ships not getting crewed on time is at least a year (+demothball time) to get it online. really do not want.

We could fill up with cargo ships and stop construction of them when the crew situation is stable. But that would add another layer of fiddling around with construction - 'partially constructed at <shipyard>'

Muer'ci · Apr 14, 2017

[X][NAME1] Opportunity
[X][NAME2] Acquisition

Let it never be said I can let go of a joke gracefully

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

Incidentally, I totaled up our forces in the Licori war.

-Task Force 1, Commodore Michel Thuir – C34, S32, H24, L31
-Task Force 2, Commodore Nash ka'Sharren – C37, S34, H25, L34
-Task Force 3, Rear Admiral T'Lorel – C53, S44, H45, L54
--Task Group 3.1, Commodore Brufraogem Wev – C25, S21, H25, L29
--Task Group 3.2, Commodore Erzath zh'Darlyth – C23, S20, H16, L20
-Task Force 4, Commodore Iorinn Grann - C26, S37, H17, L27

Another 3 Starfleet Excelsiors will join by Q2.

UberJJK · Apr 14, 2017

[X][NAME1] Pathfinder
[X][NAME2] Sojourner

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

Aeondrac · Apr 14, 2017

[X][NAME1] Pathfinder
[X][NAME2] Sojourner

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

MTB · Apr 14, 2017

I'd like to read something about the Romulan's reaction ... ~200C mobilized is something to take note of.

Kaze · Apr 14, 2017

[X][NAME1] Pathfinder
[X][NAME2] Sojourner

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

MTB said:
I'd like to read something about the Romulan's reaction ... ~200C mobilized is something to take note of.

More like ~150... you might have double-counted the TF3 groups.

MS-21H 'Hawke' · Apr 14, 2017

Where's the statline for the Excelsior-A?

pbluekan · Apr 14, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Intelligence Report

Admiral,

Indications are strong that two of the under development shipyards Cardassia is establishing have been completed. One is at Karadoc, the other at Cardassia. Both shipyards consist of a pair of Jaldun-size berths. The other shipyards should complete within the year.

Dutifully,
Commander Tabhria Palanna, Supervisor, Office 34, Starfleet Intelligence

Oh yeah. I'd forgotten about this. *shivers*. At least it's only two jaldun berths, not three.

[X] Briefvoice

I like the naming choices.

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
Where's the statline for the Excelsior-A?

From the front page:
Request Refit Program for Excelsior class [+1 C, S, L, P for 50br, 30sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns, 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Excelsior will be 230/160) - ETC 2314.Q4

So C7 S6 H4 L6 P6 D6

Shadows · Apr 14, 2017

[X][NAME1] Pathfinder
[X][NAME2] Sojourner

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

SynchronizedWritersBlock · Apr 14, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Intelligence Report

Admiral,

Indications are strong that two of the under development shipyards Cardassia is establishing have been completed. One is at Karadoc, the other at Cardassia. Both shipyards consist of a pair of Jaldun-size berths. The other shipyards should complete within the year.

Dutifully,
Commander Tabhria Palanna, Supervisor, Office 34, Starfleet Intelligence

Given this and assuming that their build times mirror ours, it's my belief that we have 3.5 to 6.5 years e: until the Cardassians begin a general war. One or two waves of cruisers, no more. The only thing that might disrupt that would be a Jaldun refit program.

Theunderbolt · Apr 14, 2017

Does anyone else remember the time we wouldnt even touch the Miranda's?

[X][NAME1] Pathfinder
[X][NAME2] Sojourner

[X][BUILD] 2315 2 Excelsior-A, 1 Renaissance, 2 Miranda-A refits

Briefvoice · Apr 14, 2017

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Given this and assuming that their build times mirror ours, it's my belief that we have 3.5 to 6.5 years. One or two waves of cruisers, no more. The only thing that might disrupt that would be a Jaldun refit program.

I assume you mean 3.5 to 6.5 years until they launch an attack? Let me ask... what do you think their war aims would be?

Vehrec · Apr 14, 2017

MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
Where's the statline for the Excelsior-A?

C7 S6 H4 L6 P6 D6. It's a solid upgrade, though not an amazing one, and it's a touch more expensive in terms of SR. Why do you ask?

Night · Apr 14, 2017

Briefvoice said:
I assume you mean 3.5 to 6.5 years until they launch an attack? Let me ask... what do you think their war aims would be?

...is that particularly relevant to needing to counter their building efforts? Regardless of how they intend to use it, their navy exists. Plan for capabilities, not intentions.

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