To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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That is literally the case; the blast radius on the destruction of stars is large enough to destroy planets for a long ways around. Not to mention the potentially colony-destroying consequences of the subspace storm they triggered (seriously, we would have lost the colonies without forewarning and a quick response). Which is, of course, why I want the SoE.
Beyond that, I really dislike the argument of "Let's wait until something terrible happens, then panic". Logically, what the State of Emergency does for us is to let us mobilize resources against a given threat. It would be far better if we could mobilize those resources so that we've got a countermeasure available to stop a star from going nova after the Licori employ their weapon, instead of letting that happen, panicking, and then declaring a State of Emergency to evacuate half the inhabited worlds in the Federation.
Not blackmail; we're not the ones with the superweapon. I just legitimately don't think we're able to stop something like that without the resources available from a SoE, and feel like aggroing a power able to deploy such weapons without having a counter ready or in preparation for readiness is utter foolishness. Which is why I'm trying to point out, quite plainly, what would be required if we want to take the Licori as seriously as the situation deserves. Because going to war with a power able to actually hurt us and doing so in a half-assed way is inviting horrible consequences.
[X][OPS] Reorganise Starfleet Operations (10pp)
[x][ADVICE] Advise the President
-[x] The strategic objective, as Starfleet understands it, is to end dangerous mentat use. Mentats are controlled by the individual houses, so we must move quickly to pressure both the houses and the Imperial government. The larger our force, the quicker we can bring the Acadian houses to terms, and the better we can prevent the deployment of desperate or mutually-destructive superweapons, which will not only affect battles but can also threaten our civilians. Likewise, such weapons prevent us from concentrating force in a single fleet.
-[x] Therefore, Starfleet requests to draw garrisons to high alert levels plus some flexibility. These ships would form the nucleus of at least two fleets after adding ships from UE, Betazed, Vulcan, and Rigel. Andorian and Tellarite ships could be allowed beyond sector borders to cover for the requisitioned fleets. Farther spinward, our other members have the important role of maintaining presence on our other borders.
-[x] I will emphasize that garrison allowances are necessary to prosecute this war quickly and reduce risk to civilian lives. Overwhelming force is necessary to quickly end this threat, or there is no point to force at all.
-[x] Other than Licori superweapons, the most difficult challenge our forces face is one of coordination. We will need the resources of the diplomatic service to negotiate a Joint Command and enable our commanders to work directly with their Gaeni and Ked Paddah counterparts. Neutral parties will also need to be apprised, in particular, the Romulans may be concerned over military operations close to their space.
-[x] A Licori Border Zone would help detect and respond to dangerous mentat incidents before they can affect our homeworlds near the border. It would be removed on successful conclusion of the war.
-[x] Starfleet also requests to operate multiple Explorer Corps ships within the Licori frontier and keep them there until the situation is resolved. The EC have the greatest experience dealing with these dangerous super-science incidents.
Here is an edited version of my original suggestion, which is like chriswriter's but with more focus on what the President is asking us, removes the fleet specifics, and addresses Romulan paranoia without suggesting joint operations. Briefvoice would have the same flexibility with deployment under this suggestion as under his. @Briefvoice, mechanically, a LBZ would move a chunk of the probability of mentat events from the Sol and Rigel sectors and into the LBZ. Mechnically, it also lets us apply FD to our war force, although that is not nearly as relevant.
[x][ADVICE] Advise the President
-[x] The strategic objective, as Starfleet understands it, is to end dangerous mentat use. Mentats are controlled by the individual houses, so we must move quickly to pressure both the houses and the Imperial government. The larger our force, the quicker we can bring the Acadian houses to terms, and the better we can prevent the deployment of desperate or mutually-destructive superweapons, which will not only affect battles but can also threaten our civilians. Likewise, such weapons prevent us from concentrating force in a single fleet.
-[x] Therefore, Starfleet requests to draw garrisons to high alert levels plus some flexibility. These ships would form the nucleus of at least two fleets after adding ships from UE, Betazed, Vulcan, and Rigel. Andorian and Tellarite ships could be allowed beyond sector borders to cover for the requisitioned fleets. Farther spinward, our other members have the important role of maintaining presence on our other borders.
-[x] I will emphasize that garrison allowances are necessary to prosecute this war quickly and reduce risk to civilian lives. Overwhelming force is necessary to quickly end this threat, or there is no point to force at all.
-[x] Other than Licori superweapons, the most difficult challenge our forces face is one of coordination. We will need the resources of the diplomatic service to negotiate a Joint Command and enable our commanders to work directly with their Gaeni and Ked Paddah counterparts. Neutral parties will also need to be apprised, in particular, the Romulans may be concerned over military operations close to their space.
-[x] A Licori Border Zone would help detect and respond to dangerous mentat incidents before they can affect our homeworlds near the border. It would be removed on successful conclusion of the war.
-[x] Starfleet also requests to operate multiple Explorer Corps ships within the Licori frontier and keep them there until the situation is resolved. The EC have the greatest experience dealing with these dangerous super-science incidents.
Here is an edited version of my original suggestion, which is like chriswriter's but with more focus on what the President is asking us, removes the fleet specifics, and addresses Romulan paranoia without suggesting joint operations. Briefvoice would have the same flexibility with deployment under this suggestion as under his. @Briefvoice, mechanically, a LBZ would move a chunk of the probability of mentat events from the Sol and Rigel sectors and into the LBZ. Mechnically, it also lets us apply FD to our war force, although that is not nearly as relevant.
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Better than Briefvoices' plan, especially by being not a wall of text!
(Friendly note @Briefvoice , paragraphs and line-breaks are your friends 
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Better than Briefvoices' plan, especially by being not a wall of text!
(Friendly note @Briefvoice , paragraphs and line-breaks are your friends )
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My two cents:
1. What Starfleet perhaps could contribute more than anything else is Science. Detection, dealing with unique events and tracking relatively small ships.
2. In turn, I would put Starfleet (and Federation) contribution mostly towards hunting down House vessels; those are the most affiliated with mentats, and not only would removing those from the equation make things more... predictable... but if one or more Houses can be induced to give up and restrain their mentats, it might weaken the reasons for the Licori to fight.
3. At least inform the Romulans. Coordination is probably out of the picture, but making it clear that the Federation isn't trying to muscle in is pretty important. I'm not sure if the Romulans would be willing to take the Licori as 'clients', but if the Federation at least hints at the Licori perhaps needing proper supervision (and that the Federation isn't really looking to be that supervision)... well, maybe. Alternatively, and is this is a rather off-the-wall idea, the Federation could ask if, once the outcome is clear, the Romulans would be willing to act as mediators for the peace treaty or the like. That could lead to some interesting scenarios...
1. What Starfleet perhaps could contribute more than anything else is Science. Detection, dealing with unique events and tracking relatively small ships.
2. In turn, I would put Starfleet (and Federation) contribution mostly towards hunting down House vessels; those are the most affiliated with mentats, and not only would removing those from the equation make things more... predictable... but if one or more Houses can be induced to give up and restrain their mentats, it might weaken the reasons for the Licori to fight.
3. At least inform the Romulans. Coordination is probably out of the picture, but making it clear that the Federation isn't trying to muscle in is pretty important. I'm not sure if the Romulans would be willing to take the Licori as 'clients', but if the Federation at least hints at the Licori perhaps needing proper supervision (and that the Federation isn't really looking to be that supervision)... well, maybe. Alternatively, and is this is a rather off-the-wall idea, the Federation could ask if, once the outcome is clear, the Romulans would be willing to act as mediators for the peace treaty or the like. That could lead to some interesting scenarios...
A couple points:
1. We should establish what we see as the end goal, not just because it's good to have one but so that the President and the Council are on the same page and can correct us if necessary, or direct other Federation agencies towards that goal. In my view, the war will end when we can convince the Acadian houses to come to the negotiating table, either individually or together with the Imperial government. Unfortunately this convincing will be at phaser-point, but that is due to the failure of the diplomatic mission.
2. If we request things, we should explain why those things are necessary, with a slant towards our mission of protecting the Federation and her citizens. That is the ultimate overlying principle of this war.
3. Anything we ask for that is outside of the military/protection purview should be justified through the military perspective, as we are acting as a military advisor in the moment. Use of the FDS or political tools like Border Zones or moving our exploration ships may be necessary, but if we, for example, point out that the Romulans are militarily paranoid, that helps our case to use those assets.
I am not criticizing anyone's plan through these measures, just pointing out that these are some of the principles I'm trying to keep in mind.
1. We should establish what we see as the end goal, not just because it's good to have one but so that the President and the Council are on the same page and can correct us if necessary, or direct other Federation agencies towards that goal. In my view, the war will end when we can convince the Acadian houses to come to the negotiating table, either individually or together with the Imperial government. Unfortunately this convincing will be at phaser-point, but that is due to the failure of the diplomatic mission.
2. If we request things, we should explain why those things are necessary, with a slant towards our mission of protecting the Federation and her citizens. That is the ultimate overlying principle of this war.
3. Anything we ask for that is outside of the military/protection purview should be justified through the military perspective, as we are acting as a military advisor in the moment. Use of the FDS or political tools like Border Zones or moving our exploration ships may be necessary, but if we, for example, point out that the Romulans are militarily paranoid, that helps our case to use those assets.
I am not criticizing anyone's plan through these measures, just pointing out that these are some of the principles I'm trying to keep in mind.
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I think you guys used a lower case x, not an upper case X, not sure if that makes a difference
I think you guys used a lower case x, not an upper case X, not sure if that makes a difference
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Is this the point where we consider this a too many fires, not enough buckets situation?
It also would provide something of a distraction from the tension between the Romulans and Klingons. This would either result in deescalation, putting off the conflict for a little while, or setting things off early.
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Yep. Funny thing is, if it weren't for the Gabriel fight, we'd easily be able to outnumber every other combatant combined in this war. As it is now, we'll barely have room to scrape up something approximating the Gaeni contribution without the High Alert/SoE style D lowering we're asking for.
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We are planning on doing a lot, we are sending ships, we are asking for member world assistance, we are likely sending some explorers. We are quite likely to have a zero Licori ships in Federation space without a prior negotiated diplomatic permission policy.
What specifically do you want to do that we need an SoE to do?
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You seem to be under the impression that an SoE is something that can be used in many different occasions. No, an SoE can only be called when there is a immediate threat to the population of the Federation. Not the government, the population. When we have an instance of the Mentants massacring Federation citizens in one of their experiments, then we can call a state of emergency.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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Even then, many such incidents have passed without a SOE. The bombing of the Amarkian capitol comes to mind. The question I ask myself when considering a SOE is: are dictatorial powers necessary to get us the assets we need to deal with the current threat? Given that the President just told us to give her a list of what we need, I would say that dictatorial powers are not needed, because I cannot come up with assets that we need but cannot acquire without an escalation of circumstances. We need ships. That is the short of it.
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In previous emergencies, we've needed a SOE to get permission to deploy member state fleets outside their sector. I believe it would also let us rebalance our defense requirements to funnel more ships at the Licori. The first is irrelevant I think given it looks like deploying member fleets is going to happen anyways, while the second could be useful but isn't worth it on its own. I agree, right now there isn't sufficient need or justification for an SOE.
Alright, good questions.
1. I like knowing what we're sending before committing to a plan of action.
2. Sadface
3. We went with the Forward Defense Doctrine. Border Zones are a big part of that so why not set a Border Zone?
I'll go through the past three hours of conversation.
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We could make a deal with the Pacifists for the use of the Vulcan Oberth to help out in exchange for moving forward with the Pacifists's Constellation refit (that we already want).
Given the science nature of the new crisis, that ship, and the Earth and Tellarites's Excelsiors are my priority for requests for member world ships for the field, and suggest that the rest of member world ships do heavy interdiction patrol between Gaen and Rigel.
Given the science nature of the new crisis, that ship, and the Earth and Tellarites's Excelsiors are my priority for requests for member world ships for the field, and suggest that the rest of member world ships do heavy interdiction patrol between Gaen and Rigel.
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seems a bit more reined, also I'm leery of giving specifics until the ships start moving.
seems a bit more reined, also I'm leery of giving specifics until the ships start moving.
Alright, that's better.
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