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Huh. Didn't realize they had such high C.
Ainsworth's low diplomacy is becoming an increasing issue. Can we appoint a translator or something?
Apiata Vs. Cardassians:
Apiata Forces:
2x Little Queenships (C8 L14 H4)Cardassian Forces:
4x Stinger (C16 L16 H4)
Total: C24 L30 H8
1x Kaldur (C5 L4 H4)So roughly equal Combat power between the two forces but while the Apiata had more Shields they also had dramatically less Hull.
3x Jaldun (C12 L12 H12)
1x Takaaki-Combat (C4 L3 H3)
1x Isamu (C4 L2 H2)
Total: C25 L21 H21
Apiata Crew:
Offices: 2/2Cardassian Crew:
Enlisted: 17/18
Technicians: 11/12
Total Casualties: O0/E1/T1
Officers: 14/15
Enlisted: 20/22
Technicians: 14/14
Total Casualties: O1/E2/T0
We don't really know much about the Cardassian Forces to say how much that may or may not have hurt their crew situation. We know they can conscript people but I doubt conscripts make for good Officers. On the Apiata side; they got out of there with all their queens so I'm sure they are happy.
Apiata Reapirs:
Undamaged:Telzziadriz - Hull 20.00/20
Pollizazza - Hull 20.00/20Lightly Damaged (<10%):Grizzi - Hull 9.82/10 - 98.2% Hull IntegrityCrippling Damage (>50% & <75%):Fozarri - Hull 4.81/10 - 48.1% Hull IntegrityCardassian Repairs:
Gerzzi - Hull 4.69/10 - 46.9% Hull Integrity
Triada - Hull 4.20/10 - 42.0% Hull Integrity
Undamaged:CDF Onacker - Hull 40.00/40Lightly Damaged (<10%):CDF Tylack - Hull 37.84/40 - 94.6% Hull Integrity
CDF Naldar - Hull 37.41/40 - 93.5% Hull IntegrityMedium Damage (>10% & <25%):CDF Anakar - Hull 25.20/30 - 84% Hull IntegrityHeavily Damaged (>25% & <50%):CDF Benakot - Hull 29.20/40 - 73% Hull IntegrityWrite-offs (>75%):CDF Icaran - Hull 0.00/20 - 0% Hull IntegritySo the Apiata's Little Queenships got out without damage but three fourths of their Stingers got mauled. In exchange however they destroyed one old and outdated Frigate and did noteworthy damage to one of Cardassian's new and awesome Kaldurs and another frigate.
Federation Vs. Cardassians:
Federation Forces:
1x Constitution-B (C5 L4 H3)Cardassian Forces:
3x Miranda-As (C9 L9 H6)
Total: C14 L13 H9
1x Kaldur (C5 L4 H4)Damn! No wonder Revak thought this was illogical. Even with the +4L due to being outnumbered the cardies still had basically double the Hull and fifty percent more Combat.
2x Jaldun (C8 L8 H8)
1x Takaaki-Combat (C4 L3 H3)
1x Isamu (C4 L2 H2)
Total: C21 L17 H17
Federation Crew:
Offices: 6/6Cardassian Crew:
Enlisted: 10/10
Technicians: 6/7
Total Casualties: O0/E0/T1
Officers: 12/12So the Cardassians managed to avoid any fatalities on their side while we lost a point of Technicians. I suppose if we had to lose crew it's good that it was from the one pool we can afford to lose.
Enlisted: 18/18
Technicians: 11/11
Total Casualties: O0/E0/T0
Federation Reapirs:
Undamaged:USS Clarion - Hull 20.00/20Lightly Damaged (<10%):Grizzi - Hull 9.82/10 - 98.2% Hull IntegrityMedium Damage (>10% & <25%):USS Shield - Hull 15.19/20 - 76% Hull IntegrityHeavily Damaged (>25% & <50%):USS Valiant - Hull 21.24/30 - 70.8% Hull Integrity
USS Bon Vivant - Hull 12.36/20 - 61.8% Hull Integrity
Cardassian Repairs:
Undamaged:CDF Ernagot - Hull 40.00/40
CDF Konyok - Hull 40.00/40Lightly Damaged <10%):CDF Nocorod - Hull 19.47/20 - 97.35% Hull IntegrityMedium Damage (>10% & <25%):CDF Yrmak - Hull 34.22/40 - 85.55% Hull IntegrityOuch. We were already hurting for repair bays and now we have four more ships to add to the long list of repairs. To make things worse we barely scratched the Cardassian forces, in fact their Kaldur got away without a scratch. I suppose that's what happens when you throw a tiny escort fleet at a real battle fleet.
CDF Cabarrad - Hull 25.66/30 - 85.53% Hull Integrity
Okay, so we got confirmation of the stats of a Kaldar. It's a 5-4-4, so basically just a Jaldun with some extra guns bolted on. Our Rennies should have a slight edge, which is nice to hear.
That'll go over like a lead balloon.OTOH, perhaps we might suggest the Amarki to cashier, or at least, reprimand their local fleet admiral?
That's honestly not the worst possible outcome, given the lack of coordination on our side.
That'll go over like a lead balloon.
That's honestly not the worst possible outcome, given the lack of coordination on our side.
... I never noticed that.# of Federation ships destroyed by Cardassians ever = STILL ZERO SPOONHEADS!
The Dawair have a better record than you! How do them apples taste?
At which point the autonomous member governments tell their representatives in the Council to flatten us politically.we make a few noises about our displeasure with the Armakian Admiral, maybe even let filter something to the press, and then use this to build the idea of integrating the fleets better...
Ainsworth's low diplomacy is becoming an increasing issue. Can we appoint a translator or something?
Best way to handle that would be to give her a Vice-Admiral slot in the coming reorg-she did earn one IMO for pushing out the Sydraxians without losing a single ship permanentlyI think it might even be time to replace her. Her aggressive course/attitude was very useful in the early stages of the conflict and allowed us to push out the sydraxians but I personally think it is becoming increasingly less useful, especially with the possible war against the Licori limiting the amount of ships we can send into the GBZ. I think a slow and steady expansion in close cooperation with our member nations will be more effective and she isn't the candidate for that.
At which point the autonomous member governments tell their representatives in the Council to flatten us politically.
It's just not going to work dude. This is a good way to get Sousa fired.That would depend on how our proposal is worded, we avoid using words like subservient, but use coordination and joint control and establish policies for determining a chain of command.
And use words like, within operational theaters, which means member fleets deployed in joint-operational areas would be under certain, unique, conditions and regulations.
We'd have to be careful of the language and add tons of conditionals, possibly even poll member fleet brass in an extra official manner and seek their input and support.
It would be ideal if this is not a suggestion of Starfleet Command, but a joint proposal by Starfleet AND as many member fleets as we can.
Possibly true, but we can work this onto my other idea, trying to create a more formal interaction between Starfleet and member fleets, including their place in the chain of command. we make a few noises about our displeasure with the Armakian Admiral, maybe even let filter something to the press, and then use this to build the idea of integrating the fleets better...
That would depend on how our proposal is worded, we avoid using words like subservient, but use coordination and joint control and establish policies for determining a chain of command.
And use words like, within operational theaters, which means member fleets deployed in joint-operational areas would be under certain, unique, conditions and regulations.
We'd have to be careful of the language and add tons of conditionals, possibly even poll member fleet brass in an extra official manner and seek their input and support.
It would be ideal if this is not a suggestion of Starfleet Command, but a joint proposal by Starfleet AND as many member fleets as we can.
I mean, yeah I wouldn't mind if she stayed, but the others do have a point that with the changing situation a Medium aggression admiral with better diplo might be better at this point.I think you guys need to consider the Amarki POV here. Admiral Galen Toor is now an Amarki national hero. Not only did he hunt down Syndicate slavers who dared raid one of their colonies, but he just led the Amarki to a stunning victory in the biggest space battle in a decade. As far as the Amarki are concerned, he's bulletproof. He's a living legend, the most famous man in their entire fleet.
Carping because he was a little tardy in regrouping his forces will be ignored at best and cause resentment at worst. Forget about "doing anything" regarding Toor. You don't diss Toor.
As for Ainsworth and her low diplomacy, eh, I don't see any particularly bad results from it so far. So she didn't scramble the fleet faster. So what? If the Cardassians hadn't turned around it might have been trouble... but they did turn around. She just led us to a great victory, followed by an acceptable draw. I'm pretty happy with her.
... I never noticed that.
Can we print that on T-Shirts in-universe and hand them out for free?
The Amarki are free to act as they see fit in the GBZ. We told them that, and Ainsworth was unable to change that. The fact that they have done something stupid with that reflects on both parties. We can't use it as political capital.
Even worse, Ainsworth likely said something that was fairly politically insensitive, and then proceeded to send Revak out on what could have been seen as a suicide mission. He performed admirably, but that doesn't excuse the shitty orders.
Galen Toor will likely be reprimanded by his own government for shitty strategy. They are Amarki. They don't like shitty strategy.