Reading the mission control log, it looks like Courageous lost communications with Starfleet Command in the middle of sending a packet, and then there were NO packets for an unexpectedly long time. This wasn't a gradual process, it was "they're supposed to call us every five minutes, they were cut off in mid-call, and we haven't heard from them since."
 
The log also explicitly says that Courageous didn't send code to indicate imminent comms loss in the previous packet.
 
Ok my fake trekkiness is failing me. So to the real trekkies:

What are the ways in which subspace communications can be cut off without the transmitting ship having a fault?

Is there such a thing as sudden subspace interference? Or some way to interdict subspace communications?

Could this be caused by a subspace relay malfunction or destruction?

Subspace weapons are a possiblity.
 
The log also explicitly says that Courageous didn't send code to indicate imminent comms loss in the previous packet.
Yeah. That rules out most of the expected reasons to lose communications, things that could be predicted five to ten minutes in advance. And the fact that the analysis officer actually did look over the packet rules out a lot of the 'simple' ways to lose communications unexpectedly, too, aside from "we got high energy readings."
 
If you don't have the occasional failure, you weren't going boldly enough. And at least we know where to start looking for a log buoy or cloud of gaseous duranium.

Or there can be a miracle. I'm ok with that too.
 
Reading the mission control log, it looks like Courageous lost communications with Starfleet Command in the middle of sending a packet, and then there were NO packets for an unexpectedly long time. This wasn't a gradual process, it was "they're supposed to call us every five minutes, they were cut off in mid-call, and we haven't heard from them since."
The log also explicitly says that Courageous didn't send code to indicate imminent comms loss in the previous packet.
Thanks, misinterpreted the 'silent log', thought it'd be a kind of 'still alive ping' without data at first reading.
 
Agreed. Thinking about TOS episodes, there were a LOT of episodes where if Starfleet was keeping up this level of contact with them, they'd have had similar "oh crap, communication lost abruptly" moments. Although in fairness most of them wouldn't have occurred completely without warning, or would have occurred in orbit around a planet where the locals somehow find a way to disable the Enterprise.

Given the way the 'mission control' protocol works here, if they knew that Courageous was heading into a situation likely to prevent them from contacting Starfleet Command we wouldn't be seeing a reaction like this. However, that still leaves a wealth of possible explanations for a sudden loss of communications.

Heck, I'm willing to say that if we plied our own Captain's Logs updates that we would find at least one similar situation. Probably.
 
They can if the civil war replica weapons are a representation of the 'you are dead' concept. Created by the Q.

The fact that humans can use these weapons just as easily as a Q can, and that using them requires no skill other than literally pointing and pulling a trigger just like an actual civil war weapon, is absolutely antithetical to the concept of the Q. The Voyager writers might have made a point of strategically rooting out and soiling every single good idea that TNG introduced, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge it, and based on how he's run this quest so far I don't think Oneiros will either. Thank god.
 
If you don't have the occasional failure, you weren't going boldly enough. And at least we know where to start looking for a log buoy or cloud of gaseous duranium.

Or there can be a miracle. I'm ok with that too.
I want Captain McAdams to have her happy peaceful ending to her four year mission, dammit!

That said, the typical Captain's Log where something interesting happens tends to be broadly representative of "stuff that happens in a Star Trek episode." The ship getting blown up is a possibility, but there are a LOT of cases of a ship being suddenly zapped by some phenomenon that cuts off communication. I strongly suspect that Mission Control at Explorer Corps headquarters deals with stuff like this happening like once a year or more and has done since at least the 2260s.

No they fucking can't.
They can if the civil war replica weapons are a representation of the 'you are dead' concept. Created by the Q.
The problematic part here isn't "the Q can make weapons capable of threatening each other." Nor is the problem "a Q can bring humans into a symbolic representation of the Continuum that enables them to understand in human terms what is going on within that Continuum."

The problem is the idea that within that symbolic representative space, humans are actually capable of wielding the weapons created by Q to use against other Q, and holding other Q (metaphorically) at gunpoint with them. Humans should be no more capable of operating an anti-Q weapon than bacteria are of operating a firearm.
 
That said, the typical Captain's Log where something interesting happens tends to be broadly representative of "stuff that happens in a Star Trek episode." The ship getting blown up is a possibility, but there are a LOT of cases of a ship being suddenly zapped by some phenomenon that cuts off communication. I strongly suspect that Mission Control at Explorer Corps headquarters deals with stuff like this happening like once a year or more and has done since at least the 2260s.

I've already said it, but I'm calling temporal shenanigans. I can't remember which movie, but I know Picard's enterprise was sent back in time after encountering a solar flare mid warp or something.
 
The fact that humans can use these weapons just as easily as a Q can, and that using them requires no skill other than literally pointing and pulling a trigger just like an actual civil war weapon, is absolutely antithetical to the concept of the Q. The Voyager writers might have made a point of strategically rooting out and soiling every single good idea that TNG introduced, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge it, and based on how he's run this quest so far I don't think Oneiros will either. Thank god.
It's a (thinly veiled) version of 'can the almighty being make a stone it cannot lift'. In the Q and 'weapon that kills Qs made by Qs' case the answer is yes.
But - not taking anything(*) from VOY sounds like a really good idea.
(*) perhaps a little inspiration is okay. And examples of what not to do.
 
It's a (thinly veiled) version of 'can the almighty being make a stone it cannot lift'. In the Q and 'weapon that kills Qs made by Qs' case the answer is yes.
But - not taking anything(*) from VOY sounds like a really good idea.
(*) perhaps a little inspiration is okay. And examples of what not to do.

Voyager and Ent were made by most of the same people, and have most of the same problems. However, they also both have some cool ideas that can be salvaged.
 
I've already said it, but I'm calling temporal shenanigans. I can't remember which movie, but I know Picard's enterprise was sent back in time after encountering a solar flare mid warp or something.
Nup. You may be thinking of the TOS warp slingshot time travel, but that's a different effect and one tricky to pull off in the best of circumstances. It wouldn't fit a solar flare situation. It's also currently very highly classified by us.
 
Yes, though one of them isn't very comforting. The Lion was eaten by a temporal anomaly and remains missing, presumed to pop out at some arbitrary point in the future.
The Bozeman, which disappeared prior to the Cartwright admiralcy, was lost in similar circumstances and won't be seen again until 2368.

If Courageous was lost the same way, for the same sort of time period, that is a mission kill for all but the longest term views for Starfleet.
 
I think the idea is more along the lines of:

"The Q aren't a species, they're a designation for a category of nigh-omnipotent entity, and the Q Continuum isn't a specific, single nation that has rival or subordinate groups, it's an overarching entity that includes and represents ALL such beings."

There are fairly plausible ways for that to be a stable phenomenon. Say, as each species develops towards godhood, it is contacted by and integrated into the Q Continuum, with good reason. Coordinating between the members of the Continuum decreases the risk of conflict, and the old differences of physiology and spatial location those species may have had before they ascended probably matter a lot less to them now than they did before. So a group like the Organians may well be both a subset of the Q Continuum and their own independent entity, a species of powerful beings that simply prefer to live on their own planet and recreate a peaceful, low-technology lifestyle.

But thing is all inhabitants of the continuum are Q, so... it really doesn't seem to fit. it is, at worse, a cheap solution.
So, speaking of subsets of the Q, they'd still be Q, nothing more, nothing less.


Actually no, Trelane only appeared once. Literally every time Roddenberry 'needed' a new species of nigh-omnipotent advanced energy beings, he made up an entirely new set. That's one of the reasons we have this problem in the first place.

He appeared at least twice, in the latter one his parent's showed up and gave him a time out.
If you don't believe me, I will link the episodes summaries.
(thrice if you count the Judgment Rites game)


Conversely, merging some of the entities into a single community whose members do as they wish (that is, the Q Continuum) tends to make this easier, because it means you no longer have to worry so much about the question "but if they seek regular contact with the Organians, why not with the Metrons, the Thasians, etc.?)

And that comes with the price of making the universe smaller and neater. nice for writers, less so for a series that was, in part, about exploring the unknown.

I'd rather have a wide galaxy, teeming with life and the unknown than a neatly defined Continuum.

It is more strenuous on the writing team, but then again, Star Trek has muddled its continuity time and again (most notably the Scotty TNG episode AND the Generations movie) without any extra complexity.
Plus, it has never been stated, on screen, that the Organians, Metrons and what not were part of the continuum, and has been made no mention to them from TNG onward, that I know of.
 
The Bozeman, which disappeared prior to the Cartwright admiralcy, was lost in similar circumstances and won't be seen again until 2368.

If Courageous was lost the same way, for the same sort of time period, that is a mission kill for all but the longest term views for Starfleet.

On the other hand, the good news would be that since we don't have cash, we won't be owing those crews a king's ransom in back pay. Well, that is silly, the federation isn't post scarcity, not yet, it is mostly there but they do have a currency of sorts, since power is, from what I understand, one of their scarcity choke-points, man/hours is probably another....
But... hey, not having to balance an Energy credit Budget is ok with me.
 
It's been such a long time since I last watched Star Trek... Indeed, think my last is the 2009 reboot. Grew up watching portions of VOY and snippets of DS9 and TNG (reruns), and then skipped ENT completely, so my ST memory is riddled with holes.

I don't know how I missed the "subspace interference" article on memory-alpha that has a direct example of lost communications from destroyed star systems :(

Article:
In 2267, when the USS Constellation tried to inform Starfleet Command about the destroyed star systems of L-370 to L-374, they realized they couldn't due to the heavy subspace interference that was in the system. (TOS: "The Doomsday Machine")

(that's the Constitution-class USS Constellation, confusingly enough)
 
On the other hand, the good news would be that since we don't have cash, we won't be owing those crews a king's ransom in back pay. Well, that is silly, the federation isn't post scarcity, not yet, it is mostly there but they do have a currency of sorts, since power is, from what I understand, one of their scarcity choke-points, man/hours is probably another....
But... hey, not having to balance an Energy credit Budget is ok with me.
No, but we have lost an investment of 345br 235sr and 5 1/2 years berth time cumulative, as well as one of Starfleet's rising stars and nearly 800 of her crewmen. Not to mention a capital ship the size of the Sign of Rethelia with an armament equivalent to that of the Basilica of Lakhept and the scientific capability of the Ambassador.
 
you know what kills my about the Q and the gray? They could have actually made the musket thing work. Just explain that after having to recreate the universe 5 times (you're welcome by the way) the Q agreed to fight using essentially laser tag weapons. A hit from one does nothing but mark that Q as out, which is then enforced by either a large neutral faction of Q, or if the writers wanted it to be deadly a Q created cosmic disintegration beam. Then have janeway realizing that this means the weapons are simple enough to be used by humans since it's just a laser pointer, albeit a cosmic one.

essentially stress that the Q are fighting under enforced rules to avoid breaking the universe, and that the voyger crew can loophole themselves in as effective combatants due to them already being involved in this mess. A few conversations with someone complaining that he's abusing the sprit of the rules, and a Q grousing that they could vaporize the voyager crew by thinking hard, a "referee" popping in to say that it's allowed if kind of absurd, and you have the q looking like gods beaten by their own self imposed rules rather than being overpowered.
 
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