To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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"Indeed. That would be a serious violation of our intellectual property."
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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pheonix89
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Note that the event does NOT say ship lost. It does not give any sort of result information. The event isn't over.
Hell, there's a lot of ways to lose interstellar telemetry without anything bad happening to the ship.
Hell, there's a lot of ways to lose interstellar telemetry without anything bad happening to the ship.
don't do this to me
Chaos Blade
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Think that would be a justification for a riot, given how "popular" and "well regarded" that episode is with the fandom.
But this is Star Trek, there are any number of reasons that might have caused a ship to drop out of sight without being destroyed, from damange/sabotage/malfunction of the critical and back up systems, to unknown phenomena, to things like Trelane or the Q.
That reminds me, we really should have more of Trelane and his people. They never being encountered again? felt kinda sad, as were the attempts to make them be part of the Q. why limit the universe in such a fashion? (Yeah, I know that is from a book and, as such, non cannon, but I really hate when writers try to pigeonhole the unknown into pre-existing categories)
EDIT: about those Starfleet JAGs... T'Rab? had't noticed it the first time
The stars wern't right. The stars wern't right.
EDIT: about those Starfleet JAGs... T'Rab? had't noticed it the first time
Im surprised he managed to solve the case without crashing at least one of Courageous's shuttles.
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Think that would be a justification for a riot, given how "popular" and "well regarded" that episode is with the fandom.
But this is Star Trek, there are any number of reasons that might have caused a ship to drop out of sight without being destroyed, from damange/sabotage/malfunction of the critical and back up systems, to unknown phenomena, to things like Trelane or the Q.
That reminds me, we really should have more of Trelane and his people. They never being encountered again? felt kinda sad, as were the attempts to make them be part of the Q. why limit the universe in such a fashion? (Yeah, I know that is from a book and, as such, non cannon, but I really hate when writers try to pigeonhole the unknown into pre-existing categories)
EDIT: about those Starfleet JAGs... T'Rab? had't noticed it the first time
There are a bunch of one-off godlike beings in Trek. The Q are probably at the pinnacle in terms of power, but there's quite a few other races that are beneath them but still superior to the recognizably technological species.
Mortals just don't interact with them much, usually.
Thors_Alumni
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Where was courageous stationed again? I hope that ship is okay enough to be repaired and not lost completely.
aeqnai
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The worst-case scenario for all this, imo?
It's entirely possible that EC movements have been tracked, and plans made, with vengeance in mind...
It's entirely possible that EC movements have been tracked, and plans made, with vengeance in mind...
Think that would be a justification for a riot, given how "popular" and "well regarded" that episode is with the fandom.
But this is Star Trek, there are any number of reasons that might have caused a ship to drop out of sight without being destroyed, from damange/sabotage/malfunction of the critical and back up systems, to unknown phenomena, to things like Trelane or the Q.
That reminds me, we really should have more of Trelane and his people. They never being encountered again? felt kinda sad, as were the attempts to make them be part of the Q. why limit the universe in such a fashion? (Yeah, I know that is from a book and, as such, non cannon, but I really hate when writers try to pigeonhole the unknown into pre-existing categories)
EDIT: about those Starfleet JAGs... T'Rab? had't noticed it the first time
While there's always room to find another previously unknown peer star empire, I feel like there can only be so many nigh omnipotent beings in one galaxy before it becomes overcrowded.
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Such beings aren't necessarily bound by space and time as we understand it. There's effectively much more room for them than there is for beings who occupy 3d space and use the same resources that we do.
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Chaos Blade
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Trelane *was* a recurring character in TOS... while having him drop by, again, having Starfleet make no mention to him, or the Organians or what not? always felt off to me.
Having them on screen again would be nice, but having mentions to them in the proper context?
Yes and not, yes that if you start adding too many of them would be an issue, but revisiting previously established entities? or, like I said above, referencing to them?
Quite frankly, after the Enterprise first run in with the Q, I would have liked mentions of Starfleet trying to reach to some of the Very Powerful Entities that Starfleet had contact with at one point or the other, to sound them on the Q (not that such quest would have to succeed, but..)
This is one of the things I sometimes tend to dislike of Trek, it is also a facet of the "Cult of the Enterprise" everything happens on that ship. Quite frankly I'd rather have kept it as an above average ship, and never ever put it on a pedestal, as many star trek stories seem to do.
That would enrich the universe, make weird the norm for exploration trips and make the Final Frontier marvelous and strange. (though I would have cut on the number anomalies of the week and Holodeck is trying to kill us episodes)
It's thematic concern for me, rather than an actual analysis of gods/square parsec or whatever. They're beyond time and space (though can be killed by humans with Civil War replica weapons), but does that keep them from disagreeing, or trying to meddle at the same time. I guess if there were billions of Gods who never took an interest in material, warp capable civilizations, it wouldn't be an issue, but if there were 5 different gods who all liked to interact with starfleet cpatains, but never interacted with each other, or were associated with each other in any way, that's just too crowded a conceptual space for me.
lbmaian
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Ok my fake trekkiness is failing me. So to the real trekkies:
What are the ways in which subspace communications can be cut off without the transmitting ship having a fault?
Is there such a thing as sudden subspace interference? Or some way to interdict subspace communications?
Could this be caused by a subspace relay malfunction or destruction?
What are the ways in which subspace communications can be cut off without the transmitting ship having a fault?
Is there such a thing as sudden subspace interference? Or some way to interdict subspace communications?
Could this be caused by a subspace relay malfunction or destruction?
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I think the idea is more along the lines of:
"The Q aren't a species, they're a designation for a category of nigh-omnipotent entity, and the Q Continuum isn't a specific, single nation that has rival or subordinate groups, it's an overarching entity that includes and represents ALL such beings."
There are fairly plausible ways for that to be a stable phenomenon. Say, as each species develops towards godhood, it is contacted by and integrated into the Q Continuum, with good reason. Coordinating between the members of the Continuum decreases the risk of conflict, and the old differences of physiology and spatial location those species may have had before they ascended probably matter a lot less to them now than they did before. So a group like the Organians may well be both a subset of the Q Continuum and their own independent entity, a species of powerful beings that simply prefer to live on their own planet and recreate a peaceful, low-technology lifestyle.
Actually no, Trelane only appeared once. Literally every time Roddenberry 'needed' a new species of nigh-omnipotent advanced energy beings, he made up an entirely new set. That's one of the reasons we have this problem in the first place.
Conversely, merging some of the entities into a single community whose members do as they wish (that is, the Q Continuum) tends to make this easier, because it means you no longer have to worry so much about the question "but if they seek regular contact with the Organians, why not with the Metrons, the Thasians, etc.?)
You're missing the point. The point is not "we and they aren't going to use the treaty rules to our advantage."
The point is, "if one side takes advantage of the treaty in such a way that the treaty itself is no longer advantageous to the other side, the other side will not simply ignore that going on. They will do things, they will react, they will renegotiate the treaty or ignore the treaty or something."
So your 'cunning' idea of exploiting this particular 'loophole' in the Treaty of Celos falls apart because even if in theory we could do it (doubtful) our rivals wouldn't just stand still and let us do it to them. You never got around to thinking about the party where the enemy gets to fight back, and no strategy can ever be good if it doesn't take that into account.
Lots. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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A solar flare, as implied by the log. High energy bursts/fields have been known to interrupt communications in the series. It'd take me a bit to find an episode where this is shown though, so if anyone has an episode in mind that can confirm or disprove this that would be great.
Practically every major crisis, especially in the movies, starts with "try to contact Starfleet Command" and ends with "can't, sir". In addition, ships are basically kidnapped by weird-ass anomalies all the time.
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IIRC in Insurrection it was a plot point that they couldn't contact Starfleet until they left the nebula, for example.
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Agreed. Thinking about TOS episodes, there were a LOT of episodes where if Starfleet was keeping up this level of contact with them, they'd have had similar "oh crap, communication lost abruptly" moments. Although in fairness most of them wouldn't have occurred completely without warning, or would have occurred in orbit around a planet where the locals somehow find a way to disable the Enterprise.
Given the way the 'mission control' protocol works here, if they knew that Courageous was heading into a situation likely to prevent them from contacting Starfleet Command we wouldn't be seeing a reaction like this. However, that still leaves a wealth of possible explanations for a sudden loss of communications.
Given the way the 'mission control' protocol works here, if they knew that Courageous was heading into a situation likely to prevent them from contacting Starfleet Command we wouldn't be seeing a reaction like this. However, that still leaves a wealth of possible explanations for a sudden loss of communications.
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