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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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We should still try. The Dawiar are a warning to us and anyone else who underestimates what a little Cardassian technology and sheer bloody mindedness can accomplish. We need them to stay neutral at least.
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Nope, there's just a Seyek outpost that sits beneath Qloathi space - they're pretty chill with each other
The full details will go up with the Steering Committee post, but my initial feeling is that Endurance and Shield are 9month jobs, while the Connie can be handled at a starbase. I need a chance to assess how Commodore Suarez will impact the situation.
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Forgothrax
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[X] Open force is broken, concentrate on burning the roots.
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Also what happened to the crew that survived the two destroyed Sydraxian escorts? Are they now POW or were they recovered by the Sydraxians?Nope, there's just a Seyek outpost that sits beneath Qloathi space - they're pretty chill with each other
The full details will go up with the Steering Committee post, but my initial feeling is that Endurance and Shield are 9month jobs, while the Connie can be handled at a starbase. I need a chance to assess how Commodore Suarez will impact the situation.
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The more I look at the rimward edge of the map, the more I wonder exactly what the Dawiar think they're getting by being so hostile to the Federation. They're basically surrounded on 3 sides, and their allies to rimward are the Lecarre. Somehow I don't think those two species get along all that well.
I can't help but wonder if the solution to the Dawiar problem is just offering to let them claim enough territory to rimward that they can keep expanding, in exchange for the minimum level of affiliation, just enough to ensure they stay neutral.
AKuz
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We aren't allowed to talk to them as equals anymore ;_;
It's so sad.
Maybe their friends the Quolothi should tell them that we have all this space to give them but we can't because they are owned by Cardassian now ;_;
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Did you defect from the Romulan diplomatic service?
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So the treaty of Celos:
- The Cardassian Union recognises the sovereignty of the Orion Union over Celos and all other worlds currently under their control.
- The United Federation of Planets recognises the current government of Bajor as a legitimate government over Bajor and its colonies.
- Both sides will adopt Do Not Fire Unless Fired Upon in the frontier directly between Federation space and Cardassian space.
- Sydraxians will call off attempts to launch attacks into Federation space.
- Cardassians will not oppose Apiata and Indorian accession into the Federation.
- The Federation will refrain from diplomacy with Cardassian affiliates [FDS NB: "openly"]
- Cardassian support for Syndicate operations in Orion space will end [Syndicate resilience cut in half]
- The Gabriel Expanse is open season, good luck.
One condition is past and cannot be undone.
I have bolded the conditions the Cardassians can break to end the Treaty. It is very unlikely we will end the treaty ourselves. Time though is good for us however I think we need to be aggressive in affiliating species to avoid them falling under ones we cannot contact.
Also not sure how this would handle say the Dawiar or Sydraxians saying goodbye to the Cardassians and declaring themselves neutral.
- The Cardassian Union recognises the sovereignty of the Orion Union over Celos and all other worlds currently under their control.
- The United Federation of Planets recognises the current government of Bajor as a legitimate government over Bajor and its colonies.
- Both sides will adopt Do Not Fire Unless Fired Upon in the frontier directly between Federation space and Cardassian space.
- Sydraxians will call off attempts to launch attacks into Federation space.
- The Federation will refrain from diplomacy with Cardassian affiliates [FDS NB: "openly"]
- Cardassian support for Syndicate operations in Orion space will end [Syndicate resilience cut in half]
- The Gabriel Expanse is open season, good luck.
One condition is past and cannot be undone.
I have bolded the conditions the Cardassians can break to end the Treaty. It is very unlikely we will end the treaty ourselves. Time though is good for us however I think we need to be aggressive in affiliating species to avoid them falling under ones we cannot contact.
Also not sure how this would handle say the Dawiar or Sydraxians saying goodbye to the Cardassians and declaring themselves neutral.
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We should demand tribute from them in the form of all their tributaries. It'll be super lol.
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AKuz
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While they're at it, maybe they should let the Lecarre know too? I'm sure they'd be SO excited to hear that the Cardassians are keeping secrets from them.
We got absolutely wrecked in that fight. That's even more of a lopsided result than Enterprise vs the ambush.
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Weren't the Lecarre the ultra-paranoids? Telling them wouldn't work. Letting them break into our servers also not, because the info is obviously fake.
Shouldn't our focus on research mid-term out-science single polity organizations?
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I've changed Plan Maximum Detectives, Maximum Impact to include the Rigellians so as to avoid votesplitting. It is now the same as "ALL THE DETECTIVES but slightly different."
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The Lecarre expect everyone to keep secrets from each other. They'd probably be more suspicious if the Cardassians weren't doing that.
Sometimes the crazy dice rolls favor us. Sometimes they favor our enemies. At least we didn't lose any ships, which is more than the Cardassians could say after that incident.
This could actually be an important question. Capturing Sydraxian prisoners could be the key to reaching a settlement with them.
Given that the Sydraxians are ruled by a military oligarchy, its possible that we might capture family members of their governing elite. A better bargaining chip, one has difficulty imagining. Of course, such VIP's would probably be serving aboard Kalindraxes, and we haven't taken one of those out yet.
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AKuz
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Edit: My phone fucked me. I'll fix this later when I get home if I remember
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Probably recovered considering that they retreated in "good" order and the fact that transporter technology makes this quite easy. Plus I doubt Starfleet actually wants POW's since their legal status would probably be a nightmare to solve.
To be fair we have enough on our plate without this to worry about and there are more than enough other interesting races to openly diplomance so I don't think this was that a high a price to pay. I am still a bit worried about our southern expansion since we were starting to get really sandwiched between the Cardassians and Klingons which is far from optimal (though is till wonder if we shouldn't let the Cardassians and Klingons meet each other and duke it out) but I think we are winning the race there.
Night
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Well, if we're speculating wildly, given the Sydraxi tendency towards love of daring-do and all, an escort might be seen as a more prestigious command, similar to how captains in the Age of Sail often considered frigate commands (independent, highber probablity of action and prize-taking) preferable to ships of the line.
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Quite possible. Especially if they have a feudal succession thing going on like the Klingons, though they seem to be more organized than the Klingons so probably not quite like that.
True, the kalindraxes' shields were already down, so there wouldn't have been anything to keep them from beaming up the survivors. Oh well.
The legal status of POW's is almost certainly well defined by Federation law. That shouldn't be such an issue.
Torgamous
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How would we negotiate for their release without violating the treaty?
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We could put some infos into our next cultural package update, sent to our neighbours as routine diplomatic messages ...
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Does the treaty forbid us from negotiated ceasefires, or just from establishing formal diplomatic relations?
Night
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We would have something the Sydraxi want. We cannot go talk to them, but nothing in the treaty prevents them talking to us. The other thing is, they're effectively cut off from Cardassia after losing that battle. It may not last, but they are.
POW's do normally require an offical state of war which is I think not the case here.I think that officially we are at peace with the Sydraxians, Cardassia etc., it just that we ignore that in the Gabriel Zone which should lead to quite some interesting political situations...