Uh, this is akward. I just noticed my plan is half a point over the budget (misread something before). And there is nothing that wouldn't really hurt to cut out...
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@OneirosTheWriter, could I maybe get half a pp as reward for the maps or something?
Are you sure you're adding the costs right? A quick look shows that you're adding 10 pp to the shipyard stuff from somewhere (30+30+135= 195pp, not 205)

Reducing that by 10% and adding the remaining costs ends up with a total cost of 280.5 pp, if my math is right.

195 * 0.9 = 175.5 + 25 + 20 + 30 + 10 + 10 + 10 = 280.5
 
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Are you sure you're adding the costs right? A quick look shows that you're adding 10 pp to the shipyard stuff from somewhere (30+30+135= 195pp, not 205)

Reducing that by 10% and adding the remaining costs ends up with a total cost of 280.5 pp, if my math is right.
You are right, I think I was adding the 40 from "40 Eridiani" instead of the actual cost, then later thinking I had added the 40 from the Andor shipyard because that was the old cost.
 
I don't understand ratings...
Why do I get 2 informatives for explaining how a mistake happened, but Derek only gets one informative (from me) for pointing out the mistake in the first place?
 
[X] Plan Industry, Recruitment and Diplomacy

I like the diplomacy focus and while I can see an argument to be made for a refit of our lighter ships I would rather just a design and implement a new class altogether.
 
A random thought: We have been saying the Federation and the Romulans have been blaming warp signatures in the Neutral Zone on each other. But the Romulans have been telling us there were civilizations in the Neutral Zone during Down the Rabbithole. Just how much did they know? Did they scout them out, or did they just assume Starfleet wouldn't violate the treaty that blatantly?
Don't have time this morning for a proper look, but it looks mostly okay.

Really hoping the new tech team is a Doctrine team.
We are voting for a doctrine tech team and the omake bonus options for AKuz clearly imply that this is a valid option.
 
A random thought: We have been saying the Federation and the Romulans have been blaming warp signatures in the Neutral Zone on each other. But the Romulans have been telling us there were civilizations in the Neutral Zone during Down the Rabbithole. Just how much did they know? Did they scout them out, or did they just assume Starfleet wouldn't violate the treaty that blatantly?
We are voting for a doctrine tech team and the omake bonus options for AKuz clearly imply that this is a valid option.

Oh the Romulans certainly popped in to take a look, but felt that there was nothing they could do due to the treaty. And they would never tell us about it, because we would want to do something about it. I have no doubt they had plans to turn them against us at some point.

And spending extended periods of time watching them would draw Starfleet in, because we would want to know what they were up to.
 
[X] Plan Industry, Recruitment and Diplomacy

With the LIght Cruiser research team plus the Omake bonus the Utopia Planitia Shipyards have become much more attractive. I want my Renaissance class. It's an amazingly efficient ship.
 
[X] Plan Industry, Recruitment and Diplomacy

I'm done with this map for now, I'll revise it if something new comes up or needs to be fixed.

What's your source for this map? Are we trying to be as close to what's known about canon as possible, or are we starting off with an already AU setting with different planet locations that are chosen for convenience?

Betazed is definitely in the wrong general location in this map, because it was conquered by the Dominion and thus near the Cardassian Union in the Alpha quadrant (i.e. "west" of Sol).

I know that Star Trek official maps are notoriously inconsistent and highly susceptible to (effectively) retcons for whatever is necessary for plot, but it might be better to base the quest map off something more official. Useful resources I've found:
* Star Trek Dimension - Star Trek Cartography - resource for old official maps, and lots of speculation on how to address inconsistencies
* STELLAR CARTOGRAPHY - UFP MAIN CORE - based off the "new" (2002) official maps in Star Charts, which shows the thousands of light years breadth of Federation territory in ~2370, which in turn makes implied shorter distances between Sol and Qo'nos and Romulus in early Star Trek kinda hard to explain

I don't understand ratings...
Why do I get 2 informatives for explaining how a mistake happened, but Derek only gets one informative (from me) for pointing out the mistake in the first place?

Hah, I don't understand why my "uh, math error?" post in the previous page got 4+ ratings, when it should've only gotten one at most (from the QM)
 
If I'm not mistaken, we are facing a serious shortage of Explorer personal. We need 5O, 4E, 5T right now to crew the repaired Sarek. With that we are pretty much tapped out. We probably want to have the Courageous repaired, though, which would cost another 6O, 5E, 4T.

I think requesting a Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive is worth the 20pp.

We might run into some problems with the Standard crews, too, but I would be willing to get rid of the Soyuz class ships to gain 4O, 4E, 4T for reassignment, if necessary.
 
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[X] Plan Industry, Recruitment and Diplomacy

Regarding our long term plans for the fleet, are the Mirandas going to be retired and replaced with Centaurs over the next decade or so? If that's the case, getting the Centaur refit done before the construction of those ships seems like a great idea. It can certainly wait until next year though, given how low our personnel levels are at the moment.

I'm also surprised by the lack of Old Guard replacement in this vote, but I love the rest.
 
Having recently re-watched that episode Picard honestly deserved getting slapped down. He was being incredibly arrogant, with a good dash of raw stupidity, in his dismissal of Q.

Of course the side effect of the whole situation, unleashing the Borg upon the Federation, is beyond acceptable but Q is kinda infamous for not caring about the side effects of things.
It's true, Picard was being a dumbass. Q could still have picked a monster that wouldn't fucking follow him home.

It might have been for the best on average. I'm less familiar with the Dominion War than I'd like to be. That doesn't make Q less of an asshole, though.
 
Omake - Honours - AKuz
HONOURS I


Stardate 21469.7

Dispatch from the Romulan Senate said:
"For his Bravery in action against the Inflictor at the fourth world of Veahrr-348 on Stardate 21469.7 Torvan i'Mneshai tr'Sekar is awarded the Sotarek Citation…"

Subliutenant tr'Sekar sits nervously at his post on the IRW Saharhae's bridge, his hands hovering over the conn, steeling himself for what awaits the Quarantine fleet in the Veahrr-348 system (Apparently known as "Kadesh" to its inhabitants).

"Reversion from Warp in 250 Ihnerha" The navigator speaks and Torvan straightens up in his seat. He resists the urge to bite his fingernails as he watches the counter on his panel rapidly spin down.

"Instructions from Admiral Khev," the Communications officer calls out from his station, "I expect all Rihannsu to do their duty to do their duty to the State, and to keep in mind the dishonour that we and our families would face if we fail in our duties before the Earth Federation and her subjects."

tr'Sekar also thinks that he can hear Commander Ch'lhev scoff from her position on the commander's deck.

"120 ihnerha until arrival Commander."

"Thank you Lieutenant." The Commander clears her throat, "I expect every member of my crew to do their duty. Defend our families, defend our honour, defend the Galaxy." tr'Sekar gives an affirmative along with the rest of the bridge crew; his Commander doesn't say much, unlike their illustrious Admiral. She's a doer not a talker.

"50 ihnerha until arrival."

The helmsman concentrates on his console and the viewscreen, preparing to respond instantly to any traps laid by the Inflictor... or perhaps even treachery from the Starfleet ships with them.

The helmsman takes over the count from this point forwards all maneuver information should come from him, "10 ihnerha… 8… 6… 4… 2.." tr'Seker braces for anything, "Arrival. Arrival. We are at sublight."

The lights on the viewscreen snap into stillness and her can see the rest of the Romulan formation dropping into place around Saharhae, and in the distance the flashes as the Earth Federation ships revert to sublight as well

"Commander Ch'lhev to formation, proceed at one half impulse."

tr'Sekar gently taps his panel, "Aye ma'am, proceeding at one half impulse."

"No Inflictor vessels detected." The tactical officer sounds almost as relieved as he feels.

The Commander sounds almost angry though as she instructs the Centurion to stay vigilant.

"Commander, Commodore T'Faer reports that her task force has destroyed the watch post." tr'Sekar purses his lips, he's not certain how happy he is knowing that most of the fleet is taking orders from a Vulcan. He'd much rather take orders from a Romulan or failing that someone from a people that understood warfare, like the Humans or Andorians.

"Admiral Khev is instructing our formation to proceed to Rally point Mosfaest and-"

The Tactical officer interrupts excitedly, "INBOUND SIGNATURES! HUNDREDS OF THEM!"

"DISCIPLINE YOURSELF, CENTURION," calls out the Commander from her walkway, "ORDER THE FORMATION INTO DEFENSIVE POSITIONS"

"Aye ma'am," Torvan complies, nudging his engines to slid the Warbird into place.

The Tactical officer has calmed down her voice level again. "Suicide craft entering our sector"

"Good. Goood. Our first kills of the day. To the honour of our families!" the helmsman can almost hear the predatory tone in his commander's voice.

It is only training and Romulan discipline that keeps tr'Sekar's hands steady when the first wave arrives… dozens upon dozens of the small craft in their sector.

"Fire!" orders the Commander

There is a perceptible pause and the tactical officer calls out in near-panic, "COMMANDER! THE… the Inflictor craft are between us and the Riala group. We are out of range"

Someone curses.

"Helm, bring us close," the Ch'lhev orders and his hands obey before his brain catches up, "We cannot allow the Inflictor vessels time to group up."

The screens shorts dozens of streaks and the flickering lines of phaser fire as Riala's task force begins to engage the Inflictor craft.

Torvan braces himself as he feels the subtle shuddering of his vessel opening fire, and he can the fireballs of Saharhae's targets exploding into purifying flame.

He's almost starting to feel relieved when the disaster starts.

"TWO OF THE STARFLEET M-TYPES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED," calls out the comm officer.

The there is another shuddering and another quartet of Inflictor ships are annihilated, but they are still not dying fast enough, "Rilairhan disabled!"

Torvan pulls his Warbird around as the last two shuttles dive after it, before spinning her on her axis, allowing Centurion t'Lehr a chance to destroy them as well.

tr'Sekar lets out a breath, the attacks is over.

"Loses are heavier than expected. Still…." Commander Ch'lhev looks over at her tactical officer, "Be alert for additional waves. The Inflictor-" her warning, while timely and accurate, is ultimately unnecessary.

"Second wave inbound… right on top of us!" Calls out t'Lehr

The Commander calls out for evasive maneuvering but Torvan has already begun to spiral away from the signatures, diving "down" the plane of the system.

Dozens of small ships loaded with the Inflictor have arrived, almost two dozen shuttles drop out of warp and streaking towards Saharhae alone. t'Lehr manages to catch some of them, the rest of the Romulan formation catching some others.

It isn't enough, and eight of the shuttles are within ramming range of Saharhae; tr'Sekar twists the Warbird on her axis and two of the pursuing smallcraft eliminate each other from the deadly race and another two race past, where the green lances of the Romulan ship's weapons destroy them as well.

It is still not enough, and the helmsman pulls "up" again, ignoring the cacophony in the background as one after another the remaining four ships accelerate themselves across Saharae's course, diving towards the Romulan ships as her helmsman twists into a loop, letting the shuttles catch themselves at a shallow angle, smearing them across the shields

Thanks to tr'Sekar however they are merely smeared across the shields, not direct hits, his maneuver causing the hits to merely be glancing. He breathes heavily as the world around him, sound especially starting to return.

They are not happy sounds of victory, but the near panic of loss, "-disabled, formation scattered!"

"SHIELDS GONE MA'AM! SECTION FIFTY THREE CAPACITORS BURNT OUT!"

"KUMARI REPORTS HEAVY LOSSES!"

"Captain Ka'Sharren is taking command of the fleet" Captain Ka'Sharren? She may be Enterprise's Captain, but didn't they start the battle with three or four Admirals?

The lights suddenly dim to emergency power, "Losing power to deck four, compartments thirty to thirty-six open to space" he hears from behind him. That's not good.

"Order-" he begins to call out to Commander Ch'lhev, when another hundred stars sparkles across the stars in front of his ship. He says something very undisciplined as he accelerates and pulls Saharhae around, trying to bring her into the umbrella of the Formation.

The ships shakes as something slams into the hull, nearly throwing him from his chair. He focuses on his duty, even as the emergency lights flicker and go out, and something explodes across the back of the bridge as something in her hull gives out.

He hears screaming that slowly quiets to moans and he feels something hot prick into his neck and then more work their way down his right side, but he has no time for it; his hands are busy rolling the Warbird away from another diving shuttle.

Torvan hopes someone is alive to purge the Inflicted spaces, he doubts that anyone on the bridge can do it, the moans are dying out and smoke is beginning to obscure his vision.

He swears as something else rocks the ship, the Saharae is barely holding together now unable to shoot, only flee, a fifth wave winks into space around her.

He coughs something wet and green onto his console, his hands dabbing through his own blood as he continues to keep Saharhae one step ahead of half a dozen smallcraft.

His concentration wavers as he launches into another coughing fit, he has no time to go for the emergency breather mask under his console, and a shuttle dives through an arc that narrowly misses a nacelle.

Saharhae almost makes it out of the battle nominally under her own power when one of the last shuttles nicks the Warbird sending her into a spin and her helmsman out of his seat where he stares up into the growing cloud of acrid smoke.

The seconds tick by as he slowly comes to accept his death, by smoke inhalation, poisoning, or blood loss. Whatever kills him, he knows that he's done his duty, none can deny that. He feels his body tingle, light surrounding him.

He distantly if he is being transported, but the lights of those are green, not blue. He relaxes as the Elements take him into their embrace.

Dispatch from the Romulan Senate said:
"...for with great skill and little regard for his own well being preserving a prohibitively damaged IRW Saharhae until her crew could be recovered by the USS T'Mir"

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Dispatch from the Federation Council said:
"Spacer Second Class Thesh Sholn, is awarded the Starfleet Medal of Honour for her actions on Stardate 21469.7 during the first phase of the Battle of Kadesh…"


The Excelsior class starship Kumari rocks under the attacks of the Biophage, and so does the Enlisted Andorian Thesh Sholn as well; stumbling across the deck, her hands gripped around a replacement section of EPS conduit.

"GET THAT OVER HERE!" Chief Bortz calls out, from where he and two other members of their damage control team have pried a section of wall apart, and pulled a damaged section of EPS conduit out.

"Coming, Chief!" she says, pushing herself off the far wall of the corridor with her shoulder and letting the weight of the replacement part carry her across to her destination.

The Tellarite Chief impatiently rips the part from her grasp, and she allows herself to enjoy the feeling of not having the heavy part.

As the team works another shudder works its way through the ship and Bortz suddenly stops and swears in three different languages, "Feel that?" he says after a Klingon curse, looking around, "That's the shields, fuck! GET THAT CONDUIT INTO PLACE!" he turns back to the young Andorian woman, "Shole get me a-"

The Tellarite NCO is interrupted by one of the other engineers. "The Diagnostic is failing. The remote control lines aren't lining up! There's a fault in the embedded line."

"I can get one!" volunteers Sholn brightly, she'd rather run and grab a section of cabling than have to manhandle the EPS parts some more.

She takes off when the Tellarite nods, sprinting down the corridor of the Kumari towards one one of the auxiliary control sections, there should be some spare control cabling there.

The ship shudders once more and she skids into the doorway as it slowly opens, and the lights flicker. Another shuttle has gotten through.

She slides through, and exhales in surprise when she finds the bodies. Inhaling she begins to cough, something is in the air. She scrambles for an emergency rebreather and slides it shakily over her head, tucking it around her antennae. It might have been just over six months since she'd finished her training, but the drills keep that skill current.

She reaches under the arms of a Human Ensign and drags him out of the auxiliary control station, and for good measure another seven meters past the section bulkhead just in case.

She goes back in twice more as the ship shudders from more hits.

She notices the flashing error alert as she's trying to place the Vulcan spacer who is her last charge over her shoulder. Someone on the bridge is trying to flush the EPS conduits, but… she swears. "The control lines," she mutters, "I've forgotten the control lines"

The team in here should be able to flush the section… but they've been unconscious for who knows how long. Another alarm goes off, somewhere in this section the Biophage has been detected...

Shuffling the heavy burden of the Vulcan, Thesh's hands play across the panel, setting it for thirty seconds, that should be enough time for her to get around the corner.

She runs faster than she has in her life and all but throws the Vulcan to the floor, before turning to seal the section in relief.

The bulkhead does not seal, she takes the situation in in an instant, time seeming to slow. The paneling on this side of the section has been wrecked by an energy surge of some sort that's blown all the panelling on this side out, smoke lazily rising from the cracked walls…

There is still an accessible override… On the other side.

The young woman doesn't hesitate, she dashes back through and pulls the panel off, slamming her hand down on the emergency control; the bulkhead sealing itself into place with a whoosh of finality.

She slumps against the bulkhead, the totality and finality of her decision sinking in.

She's only just begun to sob when the plasma flooding the deck incinerates her whole.
Dispatch from the Federation Council said:
"...where she not only personally saved the lives of Ensign Colbert, Chief T'mek, and Spacers Geral and Shett, but sacrificed herself to preserve the rest of the officers and crew of the USS Kumari"
 
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We need 5O, 4E, 5T right now to crew the repaired Sarek. With that we are pretty much tapped out. We probably want to have the Courageous repaired, though, which would cost another 6O, 5E, 4T.
- USS Sarek, Excelsior-class, 2 turns (6 month), Required 20br 15sr, Crew [O-2, E-2, T1]
- USS Courageous, Excelsior-class, 1 turn (3 months), Required 10br, 5sr, Crew [O-0, E-0, T-1]

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around (that the 'crew' means the amount of crew required), considering that they didn't take that much damage.
 
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What's your source for this map? Are we trying to be as close to what's known about canon as possible, or are we starting off with an already AU setting with different planet locations that are chosen for convenience?
The map is almost entirely based on in quest events and QM statements. I initially tried to conform to canon if possible and looked at some popular maps, but there simply weren't any excess degrees of freedom left over for that, at least if the map is supposed to be mostly comprehensible in a 2D view. I would try to accommodate 3D topology if the quest required it (in particular I considered having the Federation and the Klingon Empire border all the way to the neutral zone and placing Caldonia either above or below that border region), but not merely for an attempt at canon conformance that would probably be doomed anyway. The reasons for avoiding that are that 1. a 3D map is really hard to read in a 2D view that you can't rotate (and even when you can rotate the view it's not really great) and 2. it would complicate things a lot, most significantly drawing attention to the 3D nature of the galaxy means drawing attention to the possible "plot hole" of why the Inflictor didn't escape the quarantine zone "sideways" (the Neutral Zone was clearly implied to be a longish shape, not a squarish or disk-like one). Treating the galaxy as mostly 2D-ish with a few exceptions makes things easier both for the QM and the participants.

As for the particular question about Betazed, I did consider that early on. I concluded that any attempt at fitting a map to the events in DS9 in 2D was utterly doomed, because Federation, Cadassians, Klingons and Romulans all border each other and are more or less implied to have continuous territory. In 3D that would actually suggest that the Cardassians are somewhere above or below the point where the current great powers meet. On fan maps they are usually placed on the other side of the Federation, but I don't think there is any canonical confirmation of that beyond "alpha-quadrant" talk, and that would put the Klingons and Romulans in the alpha-quadrant too.

The reason I ended up placing Betazed where I did was that I needed the Courageous to be able to get to Tregh'bak quickly, and the "north" of the map would be pretty empty if I placed them (and by extension probably also the Yrilians and Rigellians) in the "south-west".

Risa is in the "south-west" because it was implied the Klingons could have discovered it first. Amarkia and Orion are where they are because there was a conflict between them and the Enterprise visited them before discovering Risa. And so on.
 
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