To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Not to entirely dampen things, but I would not be surprised if the Syndicate figured out the method he used last time - either through their own research or by leaks from other sources - and at least some of the forces on the planet have adopted a counter. So I don't think Straak will be an instant I Win, and it probably won't be as easy as last time.
Then again maybe the dice break our way and he easily gets around the counter to his method!
Then again maybe the dice break our way and he easily gets around the counter to his method!
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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They may have a Plan to get around our Plan to get around their Plan, but do they have a Plan to get around our Plan to get around their Plan to get around our Plan to get around their Plan?
Theunderbolt
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Can't they reroute power to the main deflector and beam the bunker into space?
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Only if they reverse the polarity.Can't they reroute power to the main deflector and beam the bunker into space?
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The Syndicate, meanwhile, will be literally blown away by the payoff.
Derek58
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Don't be absurd.
You need Antiproton Double Tachyons to do that
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I PMed you last time to either agree to some minimal ground rules (being able to abort arguments with you when they become too painful, basically) or to not try to engage me in an argument again. (Note how I have not quoted you since either). You ignored that. Don't quote and try to argue with me if you aren't willing to obey them, I consider it harassment. Dealing with you trying to substitute eloquence for making an argument with actual causal structure and basic respect for the nature of evidence has been one of the most unpleasant experiences I had in the last few years and I had more than enough of it.
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Depends on how detailed a record of the incident was left on their end.
I suspect that if we roll high, Oneiros will narratively interpret it as the Syndicate having no intel on what happened last time, whereas if we roll low they'll have analyzed it and created a countermeasure.
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Can't they reroute power to the main deflector and beam the bunker into space?
"Captain, we've found a way to reverse the polarity... of the bunker."
"DO IT."
[transporter whine...]
[Bunker disappears...]
[Reappears upside down!]
Captain: "Okay, we can work with this..."
[several hours later]
Syndicate: "OKAY WE SURRENDER JUST STOP TURNING US UPSIDE DOWN GEEZ!"
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On a side note, I refuse to agree to a ban on the use of inductive reasoning in my own forum posts.
I refuse to give up the right to cite relevant precedents.
And I refuse to simply ignore statements about basic facts that have major game consequences that, if true, force us to re-evaluate a large number of important strategic decisions. Especially when I'm trying to make suggestions as to what our options are regarding those decisions.
I have no intention of hurting anyone's feelings by behaving as outlined above. But I feel obliged to stand up for my own right to make orderly, polite comments in a public forum, when those comments are relevant to the subject at hand.
I refuse to give up the right to cite relevant precedents.
And I refuse to simply ignore statements about basic facts that have major game consequences that, if true, force us to re-evaluate a large number of important strategic decisions. Especially when I'm trying to make suggestions as to what our options are regarding those decisions.
I have no intention of hurting anyone's feelings by behaving as outlined above. But I feel obliged to stand up for my own right to make orderly, polite comments in a public forum, when those comments are relevant to the subject at hand.
Night
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Alternately, they know what we did, but trying to alter geology is a bit too difficult to do something about it.
Then you perhaps should exercise a minimum due diligence.
If the part of my last omake is canon where several high-level government officials have defected, it's entirely possible they have direct access to the Sarek's logs of the incident. I say this because I imagine Straak or Starfleet would have shared those records with the Union government to help them combat the Syndicate on Celos, and it would have at least been passed around the Security Council, which Garita was a part of:
[Oops probably should have put an intelligence director in there].Law Enforcement Overview said:
However it's possible Garita doesn't remember that briefing or doesn't have an exact copy of it. It's also possible only some of the units on the planet know about the need for a countermeasure given how rushed the takeover was. I imagine it's a spectrum of like:
We roll well, they roll bad: no countermeasures, Peacality, Rock Whisperer Wins
We roll roughly even: Some units have countermeasures, some don't, it's a bloody battle to root out the ones that can't be transported.
We roll bad and they roll well: Countermeasures widespread, alternatives fail, only option is to dig them out.
We roll REALLY BAD: They figure out our plan and trick the Sarek into beaming a bomb onboard.
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or there poor grasp of geology means that they accidentally make it easier by using the wrong type of rocks.
"Fool! You used a negatively lensing strata to try and increase the transport distortion of a positively distorting strata! The syndicates poor grasp of geology shall be it's downfall!"
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Perhaps I should.
When fleet maneuver orders were given during Ghosts and Whispers, we had reinforcements bouncing around at speeds considerably higher than one week per square. A number of our fleets rallied faster than one week per square, and we had our ships formed up into solid units within the first 2-3 weeks of the crisis. As far as I can determine from going back over old posts, this was not considered to be a problem.
I've been trying to remember not to pick fights over "but CLEARLY this detail of this post contradicts that detail of that post" when possible, so long as it doesn't result in serious confusion over what we can and cannot do. As a side effect, I've missed some details that may contradict what we were able to do in past crises.
Clearly, the results are unsatisfactory. I shall go back and edit my mobilization plan accordingly.
Sure, but it was a fairly minor incident that occurred over five years ago and the report contains no technical details about how he actually did it. The greatest problem in modern intelligence is not too little information but too much, and the success of their Celos takeover was apparently as much a surprise to the Syndicate as it was to us. It seems rather unlikely that it's occurred to anyone to go digging through some years-old Starfleet logs to find out how a pirate captain was snagged,
He literally says he's not sure and asks the GM right below that.
That's pretty due diligence. Take a step back and breathe.
Our condensed version of the report for the thread didn't contain technical details but it seems unlikely -- if not OOC -- that Straak's full report didn't have scientific analysis of every minute detail of the rock formation. If Straak wasn't Vulcan you'd almost be tempted to say it was presented with loving detail, even. That was probably forwarded to the Union Security Council.
Now Garita or some other defector remembering this or having access to the report is possibly less likely, I will admit, but not in the realm of impossible. Assuming the Syndicate didn't acquire it from other sources or figure it out themselves, they can be smart.
Some of our fleets did make slightly better time (and the EC did some sprinting, all of which required cooldown afterwards), but the 1 week per grid square speed was made clear in the very first Ghost and Whispers post.
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No, it's good. SynchronizedWritersBlock has given me something to think about, with my lack of due diligence.
I've edited my plan post a few pages back to reflect recent changes to my basic approach, though I suppose I may be a bit too radical in my new stance.
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Arghh, why does this need to happen? 
Refusal to conform to proper inductive reasoning (e. g. Bayesian inference) is exactly one of the things that make arguing with you so incredibly frustrating.
You could do lots of other things instead. You could agree to the ground rules I requested (or suggest alternative ones). You could simply ask or request elaboration instead of making "counter-arguments" so painfully obvious that the implication I hadn't considered them is basically an insult (one of the very first things I asked during that crisis was whether the Kadak-Tor could move at full speed under cloak, which Oneiros immediately affirmed). Or you could take the 30 seconds to use the search function to investigate and find out that you are wrong, rather than redundantly asking Oneiros again and interpreting his answer as the opposite of what it means:
You seem to be under the misconception that politeness is a function of the words used. I consider ignoring a question about one of your arguments and then repeating it in slightly different words one of the least polite things you can do, and certainly far less polite than any combination of swear words I can imagine.
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guys, can we not? would nix and jester mind taking it to PM?
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I tried and was ignored, and both posts relating to him since then were about how I'd rather not need to argue with him again.
