To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

Deathbybunnies · Feb 8, 2017

Void Stalker said:
To Boldly Go-Federation
To Boldly Go-Non Federation

This is where forces stand currently, please note the Cardassian numbers are from the end of the Grey October so they will have built several ships since then and lost at least 2 escorts to the Apiata. Numbers for the Federation and affiliates are current as of this quarter. Note we do not have numbers and stats for the Seyek (may join in a war) and Honiani (much more distant and less likely to join in a war).

Edit:
Also important is that for Starfleet it includes our Explorer Corp in the Excelsior count but does not include any bonuses from experienced crew

Hey, the Romulans only have one ship! Why are we afraid of them again?

Void Stalker · Feb 8, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
Hey, the Romulans only have one ship! Why are we afraid of them again?

More because we don't have good numbers for them yet. That should be updated once we get to the intel reports this quarter as I believe we chose Romulan Fleet size. It should be on par with the Klingon fleet overall for comparison.

Simon_Jester · Feb 8, 2017

Void Stalker said:
Oh I have no intention of drawing them in, I am just saying those have to factor into the Cardassian calculations as they do not know if the Kadeshi and Honiani will join us or not. Qloathi having good relations with the Dawiar though has to concern Cardassian analysis as well since that may cause the Dawiar to stay neutral. Or it may try to force them to have us fire first to try and get powers like the Seyek and Qloathi to stay neutral while the Dawiar join in.

The Cardassians may not even know the Honiani are in the area. The Kadeshi... yeah, the Cardassians will have to factor them in, even though we will definitely be trying to herd them out of the way frantically as fast as we can.

Void Stalker · Feb 8, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
The Cardassians may not even know the Honiani are in the area. The Kadeshi... yeah, the Cardassians will have to factor them in, even though we will definitely be trying to herd them out of the way frantically as fast as we can.

There is a Honiani explorer tagging along with the group currently so they would see or hear of another explorer class ship in the area, though they could attribute it to the Kadeshi. But yeah it is differences in calculations that can cause things to spiral out of control.

Cardassia may be including the Kadeshi in their calculations, we on the other hand are not.

aeqnai · Feb 8, 2017

Oh damn there was so much discussion overnight I actually had to skip most of it in order to catch up within a reasonable time. Suffice it to say everything is going completely pearshaped innit.

Our worst-case scenario is full war with Klingon involvement leading to Romulan hostilities, right?

If that happens, how fucked are we and what all can we do about it?

Steven Kodaly · Feb 8, 2017

How to vote, how to vote...

[X][SOE] Do not request a State of Emergency
[X][SFTF1] Support Operations on Celos
[X][SFTF2] Hunt and Destroy Syndicate Space forces
[X][UETF] Support Operations on Freedom
[X][ATF] Escort shipping
[X][CBZ] Focus on defence of Starbase 9 at Lapycorias
[X][SBZ] Focus on defence of Square 0d
[X][DIPLO] Remain focused on Sydraxians

The diplomatic option is one on which I'm torn; assembling a larger force at Starbase 9 would complicate Cardassian war-planning, and may well be enough to tip the scales in favor of peace. On the other hand, I really don't want to stop working on the Sydraxian conflict, and giving the Cardassians reason to believe their ally unreliable in a prospective war could be just as valuable as reinforcements to Lapycorias.

I can't support declaring a State of Emergency prior to actual reports of sizeable Cardassian fleet movements, as frankly it won't help meaningfully on the diplomatic front in the next two weeks - no diplomats we ship out will even reach their destinations before the Cardassians decide to send battle squadrons into Federation territory. Which also decides me on the diplomatic issue, as jostling the FDS's elbow frankly won't help accomplish anything useful in the timeframe we're considering.

Deathbybunnies · Feb 8, 2017

Is there anything in ship design regarding how fast a ship can go? I very vaguely recall there being different maximum Warp numbers called out in different shows. Or is that just folded into the other stats? It has ramifications none of the other stats quite cover.

aeqnai said:
Oh damn there was so much discussion overnight I actually had to skip most of it in order to catch up within a reasonable time. Suffice it to say everything is going completely pearshaped innit.

Our worst-case scenario is full war with Klingon involvement leading to Romulan hostilities, right?

If that happens, how fucked are we and what all can we do about it?

It'll never happen - there was a misunderstanding regarding the Khitomer Accords. The most we have to worry about is either of our tailwards neighbours pulling shenanigans to try to get us involved in their own war, should it break out (or just sneaking through our space), but we're leaving security fleets at the borders to prevent that.

Thors_Alumni · Feb 8, 2017

You know. It just occurred to me that we have the cardassian gul that defected to us after the kadok tor incident. Wouldn't we have debriefed her about the capabilities of the cardassian fleet and the tactics they use? If so than we would be in a position to take advantage of any weaknesses in the cardassiaj fleet. That would give us an advantage in the coming war. Sorry typing on mobile right now.

SynchronizedWritersBlock · Feb 8, 2017

Man, that intel report we ordered for +5% might come literally just in time.

UberJJK · Feb 8, 2017

[X] Briefvoice

Void Stalker · Feb 8, 2017

Joshrand1982 said:
You know. It just occurred to me that we have the cardassian gul that defected to us after the kadok tor incident. Wouldn't we have debriefed her about the capabilities of the cardassian fleet and the tactics they use? If so than we would be in a position to take advantage of any weaknesses in the cardassiaj fleet. That would give us an advantage in the coming war. Sorry typing on mobile right now.

We got a full breakdown of their existing fleet from her and I think we got a boost to our Cardassian Analysis research.

AlphaDelta · Feb 8, 2017

Joshrand1982 said:
You know. It just occurred to me that we have the cardassian gul that defected to us after the kadok tor incident. Wouldn't we have debriefed her about the capabilities of the cardassian fleet and the tactics they use? If so than we would be in a position to take advantage of any weaknesses in the cardassiaj fleet. That would give us an advantage in the coming war. Sorry typing on mobile right now.

We have tactical analysis doctrine which gives us a buff against Cardasian fleets, and the intel buff.

Nervos Belli · Feb 8, 2017

Void Stalker said:
We got a full breakdown of their existing fleet from her and I think we got a boost to our Cardassian Analysis research.

Not to mention the locations of every colony world and the mining colonies that supply them. If we can hold off their initial assault we can group up a couple Excelsiors and wreck their supply lines.

aeqnai · Feb 8, 2017

[X] Simon_Jester

Steven Kodaly · Feb 8, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
Is there anything in ship design regarding how fast a ship can go? I very vaguely recall there being different maximum Warp numbers called out in different shows. Or is that just folded into the other stats? It has ramifications none of the other stats quite cover.

If memory serves, maximum speed influences defense rating - a ship that moves faster is generally better able to respond to a situation unfolding. During the Kadak-Tor Incident, Excelsior class vessels demonstrated the ability to cross more space in a given period of time than other Starfleet units; however, this generally involved time in a shipyard afterwards for maintenance.

UberJJK · Feb 8, 2017

Current tally for those interested:
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1111 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4

Task: ATF

[X][ATF] Escort shipping
No. of Votes: 37

[X][ATF] Hunt and destroy Syndicate space forces
No. of Votes: 8

Derek58
Blackshard
Finagle007
Joshrand1982
Night_stalker
Shard
tryrar
UbeOne

[X][ATF] Conduct blockade at Celos
No. of Votes: 2

Nervos Belli
Katsuragi

Task: CBZ

[X][CBZ] Focus on defence of Starbase 9 at Lapycorias
No. of Votes: 39

[X][CBZ] Skirmish with Cardassian ships
No. of Votes: 4

Chimeraguard
Katsuragi
Night
pheonix89

[X][CBZ] Focus on defense of Starbase 9 at Lapycorias
No. of Votes: 2

Vehrec
Glassware

[X][CBZ] Focus on defence of Square 0d
No. of Votes: 1

Gingganz

Task: DIPLO

[X][DIPLO] Remain focused on Sydraxians
No. of Votes: 33

[X][DIPLO] Request the Indorians send their forces to Starbase 9 at Lapycorias
No. of Votes: 10

pbluekan
aeqnai
AlphaDelta
Chimeraguard
Jrin
Mr Tebbs
Nervos Belli
Night
pheonix89
Simon_Jester

[X][DIPLO] Request the Qloath to try to hunt the Cardassian Frontier Ships
No. of Votes: 1

Katsuragi

[X][DIPLO] Change focus to attempting to keep Dawiar neutral
No. of Votes: 1

PauliExklusor

Task: SBZ

[X][SBZ] Focus on defence of Square 0d
No. of Votes: 32

[X][SBZ] Focus on defence of Starbase 8 at Vega
No. of Votes: 12

Chimeraguard
Alastor Mobius Toth
Artemis1992
ClawClawBite
Deathbybunnies
Gingganz
Jrin
Leila Hann
Muramasa
Narutosramen
NullVoid
pheonix89

[X][SBZ] Skirmish aggressively
No. of Votes: 1

Katsuragi

Task: SFTF1

[X][SFTF1] Support Operations on Celos
No. of Votes: 34

[X][SFTF1] Support Operations on Freedom
No. of Votes: 12

Derek58
Blackshard
Deathbybunnies
Finagle007
Joshrand1982
Nervos Belli
Night_stalker
NullVoid
PauliExklusor
Shard
tryrar
UbeOne

[X][SFTF1] Picket Federation Border
No. of Votes: 1

Katsuragi

Task: SFTF2

[X][SFTF2] Hunt and Destroy Syndicate Space forces.
No. of Votes: 36

[X][SFTF2] Conduct blockade at Celos
No. of Votes: 9

Derek58
Blackshard
Finagle007
Joshrand1982
Night_stalker
NullVoid
Shard
tryrar
UbeOne

[X][SFTF2] Picket Federation Border
No. of Votes: 2

Nervos Belli
Katsuragi

Task: SOE

[X][SOE] Arrange for an SoE immediately following a Cardassian guarantee for Celos
No. of Votes: 36

[X][SOE] Do not request a State of Emergency
No. of Votes: 9

Chimeraguard
AKuz
ClawClawBite
Glassware
Jrin
KnightDisciple
Steven Kodaly
Vehrec
Void Stalker

[X][SOE] Do not request a State of Emergency
-[X] Maintain High Alert and consider a SOE when Cardassian intentions become clear but do not be beholden to a "Red line"
No. of Votes: 3

Simon_Jester
aeqnai
AlphaDelta

[X][SOE] Request a State of Emergency now
No. of Votes: 2

Katsuragi
Blackshard

Task: UETF

[X][UETF] Support Operations on Freedom
No. of Votes: 34

[X][UETF] Escort shipping
No. of Votes: 10

Derek58
Blackshard
Finagle007
Joshrand1982
Nervos Belli
Night_stalker
NullVoid
Shard
tryrar
UbeOne

[X][UETF] Conduct blockade at Celos
No. of Votes: 3

Katsuragi
Deathbybunnies
PauliExklusor

Total No. of Voters: 50

Katsuragi · Feb 8, 2017

War with the Cardassians?

Psh.

I'll let a certain man resurrected via transporter accident answer this one.

"Bully, a challenge! I love competition! Now where would I mount the stuffed head of a Cardie?"

Deathbybunnies · Feb 8, 2017

To what degree are we able to influence where Federation borders grow? I know we're having stuff happen corewards of Apinae, but does that mean our borders will grow there, or is it just our ships patrolling? I'd like to extend our borders at (f,-4) and (e,-4) if possible, to cut the Cardassians off from Qloath and Dawiar without going the long way around, and to shorten our CBZ sector which will make our forces there more concentrated, and reduce the area they could feasibly attack through.

Simon_Jester · Feb 8, 2017

aeqnai said:
Oh damn there was so much discussion overnight I actually had to skip most of it in order to catch up within a reasonable time. Suffice it to say everything is going completely pearshaped innit.

Our worst-case scenario is full war with Klingon involvement leading to Romulan hostilities, right?

If that happens, how fucked are we and what all can we do about it?

Fairly fucked, although the real damage is long term since we were hoping to get the Romulans to like us. We can probably pull together enough forces to handle whatever the Romulans would be able to throw at us while dealing with angry Klingons charging at them from their other border.

On the other hand, this outcome is unlikely to materialize, because we can hopefully persuade the Klingons to stay out of our war with the Cardassians, and I'm not sure the Klingons will actually expect us to help them against the Romulans purely because of the Khitomer Accords. It's a peace treaty and a nonaggression pact, not a mutual defense treaty, as far as I know.

Deathbybunnies said:
Is there anything in ship design regarding how fast a ship can go? I very vaguely recall there being different maximum Warp numbers called out in different shows. Or is that just folded into the other stats? It has ramifications none of the other stats quite cover.

Defense correlates with maximum warp speed. However, the fastest practical speed for fleet movements is one square per week, two under conditions of High Alert. Excelsiors can beat that by a bit, but not by much; I dunno, maybe three squares a week? To some extent, single ships straining their drives tend to move at the speed of plot, and I rather prefer it that way.

Joshrand1982 said:
You know. It just occurred to me that we have the cardassian gul that defected to us after the kadok tor incident. Wouldn't we have debriefed her about the capabilities of the cardassian fleet and the tactics they use? If so than we would be in a position to take advantage of any weaknesses in the cardassiaj fleet. That would give us an advantage in the coming war. Sorry typing on mobile right now.

Already done.

Deathbybunnies · Feb 8, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
Defense correlates with maximum warp speed. However, the fastest practical speed for fleet movements is one square per week, two under conditions of High Alert. Excelsiors can beat that by a bit, but not by much; I dunno, maybe three squares a week? To some extent, single ships straining their drives tend to move at the speed of plot, and I rather prefer it that way.

I agree that for the purposes of the quest, speed of plot while covering distances is ideal. I was thinking more "if ship X is faster than ship Y, it can always catch/escape it". But I suppose it's not too important.

Iron Wolf · Feb 8, 2017

Goat said:
Guess they missed her escape vessel. Pity.

AKuz said:
"Unfortunately the Aeroknights were unable to arrest Garita alive. She went sadly unidentified after being disfigured falling down a flight of punches"

I'm pretty sure Oyana's pissed she didn't push her down the stairs herself when she had the chance.

Byis could have even provided the one liner. "Consider this your resignation" or some shit.

Simon_Jester · Feb 8, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
I agree that for the purposes of the quest, speed of plot while covering distances is ideal. I was thinking more "if ship X is faster than ship Y, it can always catch/escape it". But I suppose it's not too important.

It doesn't seem to be entirely deterministic- but yeah, it looks like Defense rolls play a role in determining whether ships can escape combat, though we have almost no examples of ships trying to "warp out" of a battle in-game.

aeqnai · Feb 8, 2017

Deathbybunnies said:
I agree that for the purposes of the quest, speed of plot while covering distances is ideal. I was thinking more "if ship X is faster than ship Y, it can always catch/escape it". But I suppose it's not too important.

Pretty sure that would come down to rolling opposed D checks, or something similar.

Simon_Jester · Feb 8, 2017

Iron Wolf said:
I'm pretty sure Oyana's pissed she didn't push her down the stairs herself when she had the chance.

Byis could have even provided the one liner. "Consider this your resignation" or some shit.

By the way, Iron Wolf...

What happened to Sorkan? I liked him too.

Jrin · Feb 8, 2017

[DIPLO] Remain focused on Sydraxians
About this, are you guys really sure they would stay out? I feel there's not enough effort plus the Indorian request is more likely to work.
This could be their chance to finally get one last hurrah in before settling down for talks, from distraction to localised skirmish.

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