To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

NHO · Feb 2, 2017

Briefvoice said:
Gentenmaru captain. Actual height 1.9 meters.

Meanwhile, some people are very glad that she would never meet Kirk. Or Nash, for that matter.

nocarename · Feb 2, 2017

NHO said:
Meanwhile, some people are very glad that she would never meet Kirk. Or Nash, for that matter.

There's a good answer for all all those nervous people.

Aw, come on Bones, it'd be fun. :ogles:

Simon_Jester · Feb 2, 2017

Love the omake, @Briefvoice, although you might want to fix a couple of 'discrete/discreet' and 'marque/marquis' errors.

Night said:
It still places a sector asset, the starbase and its attendant infrastructure and resources, out of reach of the sector's responsible officer.

No, because unless I'm misunderstanding Oneiros, it makes the starbase admiral the person who's actually responsible for the sector. If there's any pressing need for coordination between the starbase and the mobile forces, then one of two things happens.

Option 1: The starbase admiral just issues direct orders to the captain who runs the station the way Sisko ran DS-9.
Option 2: The mobile force commodore calls his boss and says "hey, boss, I need the starbase's support to do XYZ," and the starbase admiral says "okay."

And it also really opens the system up to a number of abuses and absurdities in any situation that has fleet units be around the Starbase. The Rear Admiral may not be their direct report but ship commanders do have to listen to a flag officer.

A problem which is neatly resolved if the rear admiral on the starbase is actually in their chain of command, just one step above the commodore who actually leads the squadron.

Basically, it's like if in Deep Space 9 the strategic situation had been "There is a Bajor sector, commanded by an admiral whose headquarters are on Deep Space Nine. The Bajor Sector admiral has as subordinates both Captain Sisko, who directly runs the station, and Commodore Whozit, who commands the squadron of Starfleet vessels that operate in that sector."

NHO said:
Meanwhile, some people are very glad that she would never meet Kirk. Or Nash, for that matter.

It is far, far too early to rule out this Yrillian running into Nash.

Questara · Feb 2, 2017

[X][FERASA] Captain Tomas Meyer
[X][SBZ] Commodore Gorac Crogan

Night · Feb 2, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
No, because unless I'm misunderstanding Oneiros, it makes the starbase admiral the person who's actually responsible for the sector.

Either the starbase commander can give operational orders, in which case the commodore is kind of superfluous, or they can't, in which case they're not responsible. Onerios' implication goes for the second, but it still hits the problem that the presence of a flag officer means said flag officer distorts operations with their greater authority.

random_npc · Feb 2, 2017

NHO said:
Meanwhile, some people are very glad that she would never meet Kirk. Or Nash, for that matter.

she's young enough that nash would probably behave. Though I can see them swapping stories and or the captain asking for nash's autograph since she probably considers the antics nash got up to in the CBZ a work of art.

Simon_Jester · Feb 2, 2017

random_npc said:
she's young enough that nash would probably behave. Though I can see them swapping stories and or the captain asking for nash's autograph since she probably considers the antics nash got up to in the CBZ a work of art.

Sure, she's young enough that Nash would behave now, but Nash is over on the other side of Sydraxian space. What if they don't meet for another ten years?

We have got to get Nash married off safely. Somehow.

Briefvoice · Feb 2, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
Love the omake, @Briefvoice, although you might want to fix a couple of 'discrete/discreet' and 'marque/marquis' errors.

Thanks, I think I got it corrected. In typical RPG fashion I tried to provide a range of antagonists from "over-enthused and didn't think what jerks they were being" to "assholes who deserve to get their butts kicked" to "professional criminals" to "professional criminals who might be able to give a Miranda a fight" to "these guys are probably protagonists too".

Option 1: The starbase admiral just issues direct orders to the captain who runs the station the way Sisko ran DS-9.
Option 2: The mobile force commodore calls his boss and says "hey, boss, I need the starbase's support to do XYZ," and the starbase admiral says "okay."

A problem which is neatly resolved if the rear admiral on the starbase is actually in their chain of command, just one step above the commodore who actually leads the squadron.

I think it's a little simpler than that. Military bases are often run by generals/admirals, because they are huge communities that are cities in their own right. Small groups of ships are commanded by commodores because they're the lowest rank of admiral and that's all it takes to keep three ships organized.

Starbases need Rear Admirals because they're in charge of so many people, way more than the mobile assets of the sector.

It is far, far too early to rule out this Yrillian running into Nash.

And for that matter, Kirk isn't technically dead.

Night said:
Either the starbase commander can give operational orders, in which case the commodore is kind of superfluous, or they can't, in which case they're not responsible. Onerios' implication goes for the second, but it still hits the problem that the presence of a flag officer means said flag officer distorts operations with their greater authority.

Does the Admiral in charge of a naval base distort the operations of a squadron of ships sailing the pacific?

CyberFemme · Feb 2, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
Sure, she's young enough that Nash would behave now, but Nash is over on the other side of Sydraxian space. What if they don't meet for another ten years?

We have got to get Nash married off safely. Somehow.

Now I'm just imagining the Admiralty acting like a bunch of parents:

"Nash dear, isn't it time you found a nice trio to settle down with?"
"You're not getting any younger you know. Tock tock goes your biological clock, Nash."
"When are you going to give me grandchildren Nash?"

OneirosTheWriter · Feb 2, 2017

Okay, vote is closed! Where did it end up?

Simon_Jester · Feb 2, 2017

Briefvoice said:
Thanks, I think I got it corrected. In typical RPG fashion I tried to provide a range of antagonists from "over-enthused and didn't think what jerks they were being" to "assholes who deserve to get their butts kicked" to "professional criminals" to "professional criminals who might be able to give a Miranda a fight" to "these guys are probably protagonists too".

I love efforts to make it clear that the Other Guys have their own protagonists.

[Takes notes for his '2235 game' idea]

I think it's a little simpler than that. Military bases are often run by generals/admirals, because they are huge communities that are cities in their own right. Small groups of ships are commanded by commodores because they're the lowest rank of admiral and that's all it takes to keep three ships organized.

Starbases need Rear Admirals because they're in charge of so many people, way more than the mobile assets of the sector.

That's plausible, but in a situation where each sector has two flag officers of different ranks, there almost has to be some defined chain of command relationship between them.

And for that matter, Kirk isn't technically dead.

I suppose that our massive butterflies might lead to him somehow being pulled out of the Nexus in 2332, at which point the improbably young captain of the Gentenmaru will be about, oh... forty or so?

Crazy Tom said:
Now I'm just imagining the Admiralty acting like a bunch of parents:

"Nash dear, isn't it time you found a nice trio to settle down with?"
"You're not getting any younger you know. Tock tock goes your biological clock, Nash."
"When are you going to give me grandchildren Nash?"

Although it occurs to me that strictly, there's no reason an Andorian zhen should have the equivalent of menopause. Maybe she's acting like she's in no hurry to settle down in part because she isn't. That's a human problem, and maybe a shen problem.

Void Stalker · Feb 2, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
Okay, vote is closed! Where did it end up?

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Iron Wolf · Feb 2, 2017

Two relative unknowns taking the spotlight!

Simon_Jester · Feb 2, 2017

We can always use more 'known' characters; the explorer captains can't be the ones to do everything.

Iron Wolf · Feb 2, 2017

I'm enjoying micromanaging, overly sensitive Linderley in that brief. I can picture him making those revisions in big red marker.

TKinaek: sup what happened to the section in my report about the Yrillian-Orion Syndicate meet??? Loooked it up today nothing

AWolfe: lol Linderly redacted it. Don't cry U should see the job he did on some of the other offices stuff lmao

TKinaek: lmao

RALinderly: lmao

AWolfe: oh fuck

Simon_Jester · Feb 2, 2017

Linderley uses a black marker. A very heavy black marker.

Leila Hann · Feb 2, 2017

Iron Wolf said:
I'm enjoying micromanaging, overly sensitive Linderley in that brief. I can picture him making those revisions in big red marker.

TKinaek: sup what happened to the section in my report about the Yrillian-Orion Syndicate meet??? Loooked it up today nothing

AWolfe: lol Linderly redacted it. Don't cry U should see the job he did on some of the other offices stuff lmao

TKinaek: lmao

RALinderly: lmao

AWolfe: oh fuck

Gravitas Hunt · Feb 2, 2017

I've had some time to make a few nacelle config variations, and a possible curved shuttlebay redesign, in line with Constitution and Ambassador designs:
(Edit: album cleaned up due to clutter, sorry. This is close to the final design! Stuck with original shuttlebay, pylons are a bit like Andrew Probert's Ambassador)

A thought that did occur to me was that we could have a different pylon setup for the Renaissance frame hospital ships, in order to distinguish them.

Leila Hann · Feb 2, 2017

Gravitas Hunt said:
I've had some time to make a few nacelle config variations, and a possible curved shuttlebay redesign, in line with Constitution and Ambassador designs:

A thought that did occur to me was that we could have a different pylon setup for the Renaissance frame hospital ships, in order to distinguish them.

That just looks like a Galaxy to me.

Thors_Alumni · Feb 2, 2017

Gravitas Hunt said:
I've had some time to make a few nacelle config variations, and a possible curved shuttlebay redesign, in line with Constitution and Ambassador designs:

A thought that did occur to me was that we could have a different pylon setup for the Renaissance frame hospital ships, in order to distinguish them.

That looks like an Ambassador class.

aeqnai · Feb 2, 2017

I quite like the Connie configuration.

Though, actually, if instead of going straight you could have the pylons curve slightly before they reach the nacelles, on the Connie one, that might work even better.

Vehrec · Feb 2, 2017

Gravitas Hunt said:
I've had some time to make a few nacelle config variations, and a possible curved shuttlebay redesign, in line with Constitution and Ambassador designs:

A thought that did occur to me was that we could have a different pylon setup for the Renaissance frame hospital ships, in order to distinguish them.

My thought here is that you have the long diagonal nacelle pylons, and the shorter curved ones, but what about shorter straight ones in the 'under saucer' plane? That gives you something distinct from both the Galaxy and the Constitution, while being also recognizably influenced by both.

Leila Hann · Feb 2, 2017

Here's a crude attempt of my own. One pixel is one meter. I fudged the lengths of some of the ships a bit to make more sense with the given weights.

This version takes some cues from the Ambassador and Constitution, but really looks as much like a miniature Excelsior as anything else.

Gravitas Hunt · Feb 2, 2017

Thanks for all your comments.
The curved/bent pylon Constitution is probably a good thing to try. Would people prefer over- or under-saucer nacelles? If it's over, it really does have to be Connie-style to not look ridiculous.
Incidentally, I did initially consider curved pylons, but I thought that might rather strongly evoke the Abrams Enterprise. I'll give both a go.

Leila Hann · Feb 2, 2017

Gravitas Hunt said:
Thanks for all your comments.
The curved/bent pylon Constitution is probably a good thing to try. Would people prefer over- or under-saucer nacelles? If it's over, it really does have to be Connie-style to not look ridiculous.
Incidentally, I did initially consider curved pylons, but I thought that might rather strongly evoke the Abrams Enterprise. I'll give both a go.

If we want a distinct look for the Renny, taking inspiration from the Abramsverse might not be a bad idea.

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