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It's just a joke. 😓 Weapons working differently in the movies than they do in the TV shows -> weapons working differently in movies than they do IRL.
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No, Impulse engines have dedicated fusion reactors powering them.
My apologies then. I'm getting a little too heated about this vote cycle.
Ah yes, they're going to avoid what sounds like 100% coverage using magic maneuverability to shift into another dimension.
You did read this bit of the update, right?
Basically going slow sacrifices damage spikes/alpha, for a similar damage output over time and 100% coverage or pretty close to it. (Which is easier to achieve than on older ships because we got wide angle phasers)
[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
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QM already stated that there was no hidden cost.
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Honestly the way to settle the probe torpedo launch debate is to say "Sure you can fire a probe out of a torpedo tube, but you can also fire it our any airlock at only slight decrease to ease of use and so it offers no mechanical bonus."
The torpedo tube offers no particular utility that simply shoving the probe out the shuttlebay does not also offer.
The torpedo tube offers no particular utility that simply shoving the probe out the shuttlebay does not also offer.
It seems that quite a few people are (myself included), just goes to show how valid both options and a lot of their anrguments are.
That makes sense.
That and threadmarking the post/putting the contents of said post into a new 'misc weapons/ship related information' threadmark, I'd say.
Ah, my mistake. Thank you for the clarification.
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[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
We lost the maneuvering war with Klingon Birds of Prey the moment we chose to build something bigger than our heavy frigate. Even the Selachii class isn't guaranteed to win that, if Klingon captains are willing to be as crazy as their Kzinti counterparts.
Save money on the maneuvering thrusters and put it into phaser coverage or more ships.
We lost the maneuvering war with Klingon Birds of Prey the moment we chose to build something bigger than our heavy frigate. Even the Selachii class isn't guaranteed to win that, if Klingon captains are willing to be as crazy as their Kzinti counterparts.
Save money on the maneuvering thrusters and put it into phaser coverage or more ships.
So... people have been wondering why 2 engines is so much cheaper (which is strange). I got an idea - torpedo tubes are pretty expensive per unit, no? Maybe the resources saved by forgoing them entirely covers for that price difference?
I'm a bit sad we had the potential to reach S rank cost and the new computers cost us that, buuut.... It sounds like these ships will have science out the gills as a result of our choices.
I'm a bit sad we had the potential to reach S rank cost and the new computers cost us that, buuut.... It sounds like these ships will have science out the gills as a result of our choices.
I don't think anyone sane was expecting this hull to get into dogfights with BoPs and win. I guess here's to hoping we don't have to replace too many hulls and crew because of losing maneuver wars to negative space wedgies and other stellar phenomena (not saying Avg would eliminate that hazard entirely, but would certainly mitigate it more) since the A- Cost option has a beyond insurmountable lead at this point.
It has nothing to do with launch costs. There's just no way that ENT-era torpedo tubes that take rocket-propelled warheads also doubled as a probe launcher. Also I immediately started to hate how everybody insisted on torpedo tubes for everything 'because probes'. Somewhere I probably said something along the lines of no probe launches from torpedo tubes until more traditional TMP-era torpedoes with standardised casings.
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[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
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[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
I mean, the probe is also going to be rocket propelled so I am kinda confused why it wouldn't work. A probe is essentially a torpedo with the warhead removed and a sensor package put in it's place.
I get just ignoring it mechanically as a slightly more easy way to launch probes is kinda not really relevant to anything on the scale of this quest, but you build your probes for the launch system you intend to use. The most sensible thing to do would be to simply straight up use a photon torpedo with a minimal antimatter load and a sensor package installed on the nose.
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My understanding was just "no probes from tubes cuz reasons" I am a lot happier with this new information
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Eh. Wasn't intended as aimed at "you, specifically" so much as "the inevitable somebody who brings this up every time going torpedoless is mentioned as a possibility". Did come out pretty damn pointed, though, which was thoughtless and ill-considered of me and I apologize for it.
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Fair enough, I find it hard to pick up context like that and I was getting rather heated myself. I'd like to apologise for any hurt or offence my own post might have caused you, or anyone else.
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I completely understand why "but probes" gets annoying and I think a ruling that ships can launch probes without a torpedo launcher makes perfect sense. No antimatter warhead means much simpler, smaller, and cheaper mechanisms, enough that it's below the level of abstraction we use and every ship can have one. I think we even saw an example with the Defiant launching a probe out of its nose a couple times instead of the regular torpedo tubes, demonstrating it can be an independent capability.
We're not going to spend anything on phasers, QM already said nothing going forward is going to impact cost for this design.
We'll make our next ship a monster combat ship, no expense spared then. This thing just needs to not be useless in a fight and that is achieved with phasers and 2 engines.
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We picked the kind of phaser designed to compensate for low maneuverability, and this is a second-line ship. Trading maneuverability for cost just makes sense. Especially when the final cost is A-. I mean, wow, that is a really good bargain.
We picked the kind of phaser designed to compensate for low maneuverability, and this is a second-line ship. Trading maneuverability for cost just makes sense. Especially when the final cost is A-. I mean, wow, that is a really good bargain.
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The only difference between a torpedo and a probe is payload let's be real.
We have put satellites into orbit on Minuteman ICBMs.
The difference is likely partly due to reliability concerns. A probe launcher fails? 99% of the time it just means sitting there a couple extra hours to fix it.
A torpedo launcher fails? Difference between life and death.
We have put satellites into orbit on Minuteman ICBMs.
The difference is likely partly due to reliability concerns. A probe launcher fails? 99% of the time it just means sitting there a couple extra hours to fix it.
A torpedo launcher fails? Difference between life and death.
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[X] 2 Impulse Thrusters [Maneuverability: Slow] (Final Cost: A-)
A- cost has benefits not just for their Starfleet service life, but for their secondhand use as well. If we can build the AK-47 of scientific research, we should build the AK-47 of scientific research.
A- cost has benefits not just for their Starfleet service life, but for their secondhand use as well. If we can build the AK-47 of scientific research, we should build the AK-47 of scientific research.