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UlseDovThur said:
We can probably just add a shuttlebay into the primary hull. It would just take up some internal space.

It's just that the other two come with a secondary hull, which itself is a great place for a shuttle bay, and this ship will have a shuttle bay regardless so might as well put it there.
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Sayle, the QM, has explicitly stated that the vertical design will not carry shuttles. No shuttles will be had, shuttles will not be available, it flat out will not have shuttles period.

Anyway, @Sayle I assume the final hull will look something like this, should the extension be a thing?
 
[X] Parallel Configuration (+0.2 Cruise/Maximum) (Prototype) [1 Success Check]
[X] Vertical Configuration (+0.4 Cruise) [Experimental] [2 Success Checks]
 
Mechanis said:
it flat out will not have shuttles period.
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Can you link the post that says that please? Because the Update sure doesn't (it is discussing the presence or absence of a secondary hull, and mentions that if present said secondary hull comes with a shuttle bay. That is all.), and I don't recall seeing another post that says anything on the matter (though it's possible that one exists and I've missed or forgotten it).

Edit: hold on, I initially read that as the Ship not carrying shuttles. If you just meant the nacelle design and associated structure, then feel free to ignore the above.
 
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Sayle said:
Only the two with a secondary hull attached.
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Can we get a confirmation that the vertical nacelle design won't have the option to include a shuttle bay at all? Right now I am looking through the posts and while the first two options are positively stated to have shuttle bays as part of the package I don't know if there will be an option to include one in the vertical nacelle configuration later. I would like to know if that is something we could force include for the vertical even at additional cost.
 
7th Hex said:
Can you actually say we're going to get a chance to add these double secondary hull you talked about to fit the shuttle bays or other equipment? Can we get @Sayle in here so they can answer whether or not they're going to even give us a vote to add secondary hulls for the sake of adding secondary hulls after this before we go and base our votes around the idea? Because in every other design both this question and in the previous IIRC whenever we've had a vote on nacelle configuration that has been immediately followed by either the impulse engines or the tactical systems, with no other chance to add hull extensions to the ship after the nacelles.

If @Sayle can confirm that we'll still have the ability to just add more hull to this if we take the vertical nacelles, I'll probably swap since I want to push new nacelle tech too. But if they don't, unless we want our only high quality science ships to be our long range explorers and have to keep a bunch of them back to handle anything particularly weird close to home where they aren't taking advantage of their range, the Brahe needs to be a very good science ship with a bunch of prototypes more than it needs to be a prototype testbed that can do some science.

As for cruise speed, yes it would be nice to have a cruise speed boost on this ship. The parallel arrangement also provides that. Not as much as the vertical sure, but it's still there and IMO it won't compromise the Brahe's capabilities as a science ship as much vertical arrangement without the secondary hull would.
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You can add a shuttlebay to the design with additional internal space, but it seems unlikely given all the other stuff you want to fit. But you don't get to add extra hull.
 
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She's already gonna be fast as fuck with the new engine, and we were thinking of test running several other prototypes. I don't want to cause prototype bloat.
 
Mechanis said:
Sayle, the QM, has explicitly stated that the vertical design will not carry shuttles. No shuttles will be had, shuttles will not be available, it flat out will not have shuttles period.

Anyway, @Sayle I assume the final hull will look something like this, should the extension be a thing?
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Maybe? It has to look decent from multiple angles, but something like.
 
KarmaA said:
I read their post as a joke (intentionally humorous) since adding so much felt very unlikely.
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Either way, we just got confirmation from the QM that we don't get to add more space if we don't take one of the secondary hull options this vote.

We've also been told we can try to fit one in the saucer, just that it's unlikely given what else we want in it. So I imagine given all the other non-optional things we'll need to put in sticking a shuttle bay anywhere not in a secondary hull would take a significantly bite out of our total science capabilities, since those labs and secondary computer cores are generally offered as "optional" modules in the internals section.
 
7th Hex said:
Either way, we just got confirmation from the QM that we don't get to add more space if we don't take one of the secondary hull options this vote.

We've also been told we can try to fit one in the saucer, just that it's unlikely given what else we want in it. So I imagine given all the other non-optional things we'll need to put in sticking a shuttle bay anywhere not in a secondary hull would take a significantly bite out of our total science capabilities, since those labs and secondary computer cores are generally offered as "optional" modules in the internals section.
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I was well into joke at that point.
 
7th Hex said:
We've also been told we can try to fit one in the saucer, just that it's unlikely given what else we want in it. So I imagine given all the other non-optional things we'll need to put in sticking a shuttle bay anywhere not in a secondary hull would take a significantly bite out of our total science capabilities, since those labs and secondary computer cores are generally offered as "optional" modules in the internals section.
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Given that what we want is scientific equipment, I think it's safe to say that installing a dedicated shuttlebay won't do as much for overall science score as we'd hope.
 
Yeah, but I doubt the shuttle bay won't help the science score at all, and we want to maximize that.

So I am revising my vote. Derp ship will have to wait. Maybe we can build a cargo hauler next.

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Mechanis said:
If we go to a vertical design we may as well pull a Stingray and round file the original design brief to build a patrol boat instead, because lacking shuttles will make survey work a poor use of the ship.
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As I believe I've stated before, when we were given Project Daedalus, the game master gave us two broad options - we weren't locked in except by our own decision to focus on an interceptor first. Sayle's been pretty good about working to signpost options that have potential downsides. (For example, labeling options as 'experimental' to signify heightened risks.)

It's entirely valid to want to avoid those unnecessary risks, but I don't believe the vertical nacelle arrangement is some sort of hidden trap option intended to doom the current project.
 
[X] Parallel Configuration (+0.2 Cruise/Maximum) (Prototype) [1 Success Check]
[X] Vertical Configuration (+0.4 Cruise) [Experimental] [2 Success Checks]
 
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