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Lightwhispers said:
I don't see why you believe that there wouldn't be room for both, but we are operating in a relatively low-information space.
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I'm basing my belief that they won't both easily fit by looking at the Thunderchild, which was explicitly mentioned as a design similar to what we'd be doing, and seeing that the Thunderchild's shuttle bay and full warp assembly took up their entire secondary hull and the some. Then I compared how much space those took up and looked at just how much space was in the saucer of the Brahe alone, and decided that even if we only did, say, 1 antimatter pod instead of 3 it would still be too tight a fit to put both in with everything else the ship needs also going in the saucer.

And that's only if the warp 7 drive is the same size as the warp 5 drive. I could easily see it being the same as the current drive or larger, but I don't think it's going to be smaller.
 
7th Hex said:
I'm basing my belief that they won't both easily fit by looking at the Thunderchild, which was explicitly mentioned as a design similar to what we'd be doing, and seeing that the Thunderchild's shuttle bay and full warp assembly took up their entire secondary hull and the some. Then I compared how much space those took up and looked at just how much space was in the saucer of the Brahe alone, and decided that even if we only did, say, 1 antimatter pod instead of 3 it would still be too tight a fit to put both in with everything else the ship needs also going in the saucer.

And that's only if the warp 7 drive is the same size as the warp 5 drive. I could easily see it being the same as the current drive or larger, but I don't think it's going to be smaller.
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Why would it not be smaller? It's a much smaller ship.
 
[X] Vertical Configuration (+0.4 Cruise) [Experimental] [2 Success Checks]
The science in science ship is as much its role as it it's design
 
Might have lower power requirements due to lighter armament* as well.

*projected, I'd hope one phaser doesn't use the same amount of juice as 4 particle** cannons.

Edit: Pulsed Phase cannons, my bad
 
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For the record, I have been picturing the final saucer config for critical systems looking something like this (a picture is worth a thousand words)

So getting a shuttlebay in there is *already* gonna be tight
And this assumes that the Warp Seven engines and phasers aren't substantially larger than current equipment
 
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[X] Parallel Configuration (+0.2 Cruise/Maximum) (Prototype) [1 Success Check]

A survey ship has a ton of ground it needs to cover over long periods and I'm going to be fighting to minimize mass at every turn.
 
[X] Parallel Configuration (+0.2 Cruise/Maximum) (Prototype) [1 Success Check]
Was really hoping to go for the no secondary hull, but it's not worth losing shuttle craft for.
That's not scope creep - not having shuttles on a survey vessel would be crazy.
And I want to test this design specifically because I think it would be what we want on the utility and explorer.
As argued before, let's use this for prototyping as much as we can without being silly.
 
I'm hoping that by the next design cycle the over-under nacelles configuration will become prototype instead of experimental tech. A big boost to cruise speed would be great to have for many things. It would be best for an explorer but it's too risky to use an experimental on such a politically important ship.
 
[X] Sprint Configuration (+0.4 Maximum)
- This one is the best but boring choice. I don't want to vote for it, but I will anyway. This is the right answer.

[X] Vertical Configuration (+0.4 Cruise) [Experimental] [2 Success Checks]
- But I am going to vote for this one too. Now, hear me out. It's not about this ship. This ship is all well and good, but a survey ship is a low stakes time to test out stuff. I want to develop a future ship that is a quad nacelle hybrid between the Skate's internal nacelles and a vertical design.

4 internal nacelles and a cross arrow ship. You take a skate and turn it 90 degrees around it's own axis.
 
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Awww, I was really hoping for an integrated nacelle option so we could make a flying saucer, oh well. A part of me wants to go vertical just because that'd be a tremendously ugly duckling. It's encouraged by the fact that since this is supposed to be a behind the lines ship, the experimental rolls failing won't really hurt us that much.
 
grimely said:
Awww, I was really hoping for an integrated nacelle option so we could make a flying saucer, oh well. A part of me wants to go vertical just because that'd be a tremendously ugly duckling. It's encouraged by the fact that since this is supposed to be a behind the lines ship, the experimental rolls failing won't really hurt us that much.
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If only that wouldn't cost the shuttlebay, arg!
As someone mentioned, not having shuttles would be crazy, for a ship that's primarily a survey vessel.
 
Endorfinator said:
I'm hoping that by the next design cycle the over-under nacelles configuration will become prototype instead of experimental tech.
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I don't see how an experimental nacelle layout would become less experimental if we don't actually try using it.

Fouredged Sword said:
This ship is all well and good, but a survey ship is a low stakes time to test out stuff.
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This, so very much! This is the absolute least-risk time to experiment - if the warp drive is less effective than hoped, who cares? It's not racing around the galaxy, it's parking itself somewhere and running sensor sweeps for extended lengths of time. Further, we've already decided this ship should be a major testbed for our next generation of shipboard equipment, with all the problems and teething issues (and die rolls) that will entail.

Even if this design somehow proves to be an abject failure at all levels, it will still succeed at giving Starfleet vital data for refining the new equipment on future projects.
 
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