It's not overtly exponential. It's like spending 5 (excess) coins now in exchange for 2 from the bank each year for the next 5 years. You double your money but it takes time.
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It's not overtly exponential. It's like spending 5 (excess) coins now in exchange for 2 from the bank each year for the next 5 years. You double your money but it takes time.
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But we will develope other ships in the mean time?
[ ] Three Phase Cannons (Five Ships over 5 Years) (+20 Industry)
Hoping we can get a ship with actual engines rather than rockets sooner rather than later.
Hoping we can get a ship with actual engines rather than rockets sooner rather than later.
Three phase canons are perfectly respectable, leaves some space forsecondary purpose, and lets us have more industry for other projects.
Absolutely devastating on the Enterprise NX-01 when they got them operational. Greatly exceeded expectations-to a dangerous amount during weapons' tests.
Yes, you'll develop other ships in the next five years.
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We explicitly think warp5 drives can be backwards compatible with warp 3… so there's a decent chance we could make a refit of our preexisting cargo ships to install phase cannons and warp three drives. That would give us better cargo capabilities while minimizing industry use.
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Yeah, but it is another factor to consider, if there was no difference in industrial growth between the two options the 6 phase cannon version seems best to my metrics. But with the growth numbers if we go three phase cannons we can in essence have enough extra industry for a single Daedalus with some left over. It makes things a lot closer for me, to the point that I am leaning toward the 3 phase cannon. Also means more industry from growth and leftover for whatever else we work on pre NX series
Did the NX-01 start with phase cannons or did they get upgraded to them? But if they are that strong than going for 3 on the patrol ship and letting the extra industry ticks up has my vote
LunaMoth
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Phase cannon
A phase cannon was a phase-modulated directed energy cannon weapon, a type of particle weapon which served as a successor to plasma cannons and as a precursor to the phaser of the 23rd and 24th centuries. The prototypes of ship-mounted phase cannons were first introduced by Starfleet in the...
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"Initially, Enterprise's phase cannons could not be fired while the vessel was at warp"
"Phase cannons took some time to charge when manually activated"
"Despite their power, phase cannons were sometimes unable to penetrate the defenses of other alien vessels. Not only did they prove relatively powerless against the shields of the first vessel they were used against, but it would have also taken a sustained beam to punch through the hull of a D5-class battle cruiser "
I really think we need six in order to actually dissuade pirates, the NX-01 had more than three.
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They were planed but not installed until later after the launch. Before that she only had spatial torpedos.
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From Memory Alpha, the NX-class had three phase cannons originally, then an uncertain number more in its refit some time before 2161.
LunaMoth
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Ah the article on phase canons made it sound like it had more.
IDK I just feel like three is the boring option.
Actually they kind of are. They are THE most powerful weapon the NX-01 mounts in the show until the last season or so. Powerful enough that not having them was a major plot point in season 1. That said we should totally double up, because it doesn't cost twice the industry, so it's 26 industry/6 cannons vs 20 industry for 3 cannons... Let's go with 6 on budget reasons alone.
We get 5 ships either way, 3 phase cannons works out to be 6.67 industry per cannon, while 6 cannons is 4.33 industry pretty cannon.
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Wasn't the NX getting its ass kicked half the time anyways? I don't now if we'll be able to fit six into that later design, but for this spunky little interceptor it might be a good idea to over-gun it.
LunaMoth
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Yeah more is better here, because taking six isn't that expensive, regardless of the phase cannons power. Also we don't have Malcom Reeds improvements yet, so they are probably still suffering from the issues I quoted from the article; taking six might help us fix the issues faster.
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People voted for the intercepter so might as well go all in with making it actually capable of it's job.
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I dunno, I feel like this might be a golden mean fallacy at work. If we're investing further in a smaller amount of ships, we should make them good enough to be worth the effort. We're putting quite a bit in the delivery mechanism and it would be a shame if the payload doesn't match. I'd actually be more supportive of the cheaper armament if we went for the cheaper body too.
Actually, I should ask. When we do future production runs, can we change things (i.e downgrade, or single upgrade), @Sayle?
My guess is probably not, but it does alter the calculations of risk a bit.
We'll get the same number of ships.
The only thing that will get slower is that our industry will grow a little slower. But at the beginning I don't think it's that bad with only a 6 point difference.
[X] Six Phase Cannons (Five Ships over 5 Years)
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This isn't what I meant!?
I was obviously talking about the choice we made earlier to invest in the more complex half saucer & deflector.
What I'm saying is that we're investing a lot into getting this thing mobile comparatively so it better hold its own. If we had gone for the cheaper slower frame it would be fine to have less guns because it would have a greater weight of numbers.