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We might get prototype shields for our next build. If so, they'll probably be the only prototype I'm willing to risk putting on the new CL. That thing is gonna be too smol to risk multiple experimental systems going epically wrong, and that being the case, functional shields would instantly win for being said prototype, no contest.
It's a consistent thing that until TNG cloaks simply didn't work at high warp. It's what made Chang a threat *actually* able to fire under cloak.
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Hmm, I'd argue we have a good spread of 'wartime' vessels. Unless the next post is talking about post-war plans then I say we go for full industry.
We basically have a destroyer, cruiser and battleship for our navy, just focusing on pumping out as many of those as we can seems like the best way forward rather than making something derivative.
We basically have a destroyer, cruiser and battleship for our navy, just focusing on pumping out as many of those as we can seems like the best way forward rather than making something derivative.
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She was equal to five warbirds by herself, and accomplished the mission in a single alpha strike. Our next best ship is the NX, and that can maybe match one or two warbirds.
3-4 modernized CLs would have been mulched.
Hear me out guys: Manta Ray Medium Crusers
Half Saucer from the Stingrays, secondary hull from the NX and the weapons tech we protyped on the Thunderchild.
Combine this with buying sheild tech from our allies and we will have one hell of a workhorse ship for defending the coalition/Federation.
Half Saucer from the Stingrays, secondary hull from the NX and the weapons tech we protyped on the Thunderchild.
Combine this with buying sheild tech from our allies and we will have one hell of a workhorse ship for defending the coalition/Federation.
She killed the station and like four attackers solo. 86 industry well fucking spent.
If the war turns are over I'd love to do a science ship, let us prototype new warp drives and shields on that.
If the war turns are over I'd love to do a science ship, let us prototype new warp drives and shields on that.
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You have my attention.
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Yeah, I'm currently hoping for a shielded intermediary CL between the Stingray and the NX. Arrowhead, lots of maneuverability, and a good spread of Photon torpedo launchers. But its entirely possible we'll focus on just doing quick refits/bloc 2 newbuilds of the Stingray and the NX for the rest of the war.
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"Vedi Romulus e poi muori" would be a good tongue in cheek.
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Oooh, medium cruiser... tempting, tempting, but I don't want to leave the escort/harassment/scout forces in outdated Stingrays much longer...
Arrowhead or Half Saucer, yeah. Our CL is meant to be the cheap one, after all - that's partly why we can afford monsters like the NX and Thunderchild to begin with. It won't need the Utility space.
Arrowhead or Half Saucer, yeah. Our CL is meant to be the cheap one, after all - that's partly why we can afford monsters like the NX and Thunderchild to begin with. It won't need the Utility space.
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Basilcy have the Manta Ray be a sythnthis of everything we have learned from our prior projects to show how far we have come and to make use of existing production lines while still getting a capability upgrade.
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Ultimately I think I'm super glad we went with more impulse thrusters, allowing the Thunderchild to actually execute a diving attack on the station, and the no frills, maximum coverage gun brick worked well for what it was intended to do, but the size of the vessel clearly made it exceptionally easy to focus fire on it and in a world without shields that's a very bad place to be in.
Right now, the dreadnought did OK against a station and then was mission killed within moments the second her escorts died because she is too big and lacks maneuverability to escape focused fire of an enemy flotilla, no matter how banged up that flotilla was.
Right now, the dreadnought did OK against a station and then was mission killed within moments the second her escorts died because she is too big and lacks maneuverability to escape focused fire of an enemy flotilla, no matter how banged up that flotilla was.
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??? I'm seeing nothing about "mission killed in moments" - she ate an alpha strike from a good chunk of the enemy force, murdered a station, then kept fighting for a good while afterwards before she started getting worn down by numbers. Even then, she held out long enough on her own for the second task force to finish mopping up and come to back her up - hardly "moments".
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So your argument is that after the loss of every single Stingray, the destruction of 5 Warbirds and a starbase... the Warbirds managed to mission kill her such that she returned to active combat within days. And therefore she is a failure.
And that 3-4 CLs would have had a much cleaner time of things... 3 CLs probably would be around 86 industry, but let's say 4 just to be generous. 12 CLs of ours versus 12 warbirds. 2/3rds of ours lacking the most advanced guns and photon torpedoes. Your best case scenario is an even slugging match against a foe much less vulnerable to attrition thanks to shields, superior technology, and a military outpost that may or may not have been capable of contributing to the fight in some way.
Have I mentioned those technologically superior Warbirds outmass our Stingrays?
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Literally the moment the escorts are not there to draw fire she gets crippled and pocked apart by ships she cannot meaningfully engage, like a big flailing leviathan surrounded by piranha.
Please read what actually happened and visualise the battle in your head.
This is the exact downside of a Dreadnought and *only* the fact that the other detachment broke through the Romulan holding action in time saved Thunderchild from actual full on destruction as the warbirds on her had more or less their leisure to go for a Warp core breach
Being able to take lots of damage and be repaired is fine but not taking the damage in the first place because you're a ship a quarter in size and double the speed would have been better
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Okay, reread the battle - Thunderchild kills the station, decides to hang back and support her escorts because the alpha strike she ate was pain. They kill a couple Warbirds, then two of her escorts die and the other four are forced back by an enemy squadron, leaving Thunderchild 1vAll against the rest of the defending force, while already wounded. She then kills one, gets outflanked while trying to bring the foreward guns to bear, loses a Nacelle and some weapon power, kills another one with some of her weapons dead, and then continues shooting even when her engines fail, lasting long enough that the Endeavour and Colombia win their own fight, notice this, and manage to book it over in time to back her up.
And then the crew of UES Thunderchild have her back in fighting shape to join the next attack within a week. Because they're insane I guess.
That's not her "getting picked apart like a leviathan surrounded by piranhas", that's her getting caught out by an entire squadron while already damaged and still landing two kills.
And then the crew of UES Thunderchild have her back in fighting shape to join the next attack within a week. Because they're insane I guess.
That's not her "getting picked apart like a leviathan surrounded by piranhas", that's her getting caught out by an entire squadron while already damaged and still landing two kills.
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You two do Understand that the Battleship did exactly what it should do? Anchoring a fleet during a battle, allowing escorts to do their job more effective. By herself she destroyed 3 Warbirds, a Space station, and assisted in two more kills. During this she was the primary target off the enemy so her far weaker Stigray escorts lived longer and got more shots into their targets.
To top it off even mostly disabled at the end of that fight she had the self repair abilety to get partial restored without a shipyard to go back to fighting in a WEEK that is very Impressive for a slow lower tech brick. If we had shields she would have carried that fight by herself so Shields would be nice but are no requirement.
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Not quite. She took Twelve, TWELVE Alpha strikes from a Romulan warbird, not counting whatever weapons the base had to the face full tilt. Four warbirds was enough to mission kill a NX, the Thunderchild took three times that and kept fighting, killing the starbase in a single pass and still keeping the rest of the force in the fight (and lets face it the stingrays are just freaking outmatched by the warbirds on even numbers, much less with the warbirds having numerical superiority) for long enough for the NXs lead force to mulch their enemies and swoop in for the save. That's not instant when word of god combat usually takes hours.
That's a Win in my book.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Ignores firepower required to do this. Please consider that vs a peer or better power that anything attracting attention would be wrecked and this wasnt.
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Perhaps you should read it. She was still fighting, and even took out another warbird all by herself at that point.
Worst case scenario, already heavily damaged, and she was still able to accomplish something a Stingray couldn't on its best day.
Bottom line: WE DO NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD THE SHIPS YOU WANT.
That requires shields, which we don't have.
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'I will fight the enemy one to one when he outtechs me, outmasses my individual combatants, and is significantly less vulnerable to dispersed fire as opposed to concentrated fire' does not scream peak military strategy to me.