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Candesce said:
That's in the most recent update, no subtext required:

Doubling the Federation's range means the Federation can pick up supplies and distribute them to a bunch of colonies in need rather than having to return to the core areas after serving any one or two colonies because it's short on fuel.

Any given colony doesn't need the entire cargobay of the Federation at any one time, and stockpiling too many goodies would make them targets for pirates, anyway.

As a bonus, this means the Feddie spends a lot more of its time in border areas.
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Ah, this does make more sense. I suppose if they can wait for a year for this ship to finish the loop then it's a nice thing to have.
 
Candesce said:
Any given colony doesn't need the entire cargobay of the Federation at any one time, and stockpiling too many goodies would make them targets for pirates, anyway.
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Isn't that fine though? There's very few pirates capable of facing a Federation and not being wiped out for the temerity. And it's teeth are enough that those who can manage would definitely take more loss than profit from the exchange

Edit: oh you meant the colony itself lmao

My bad
 
Tinkerer said:
[X] Antimatter Storage (Range: 314ly -> 628ly)

A thought occurs, with its rather outstanding warp speed and the fact the antimatter storage gives it ridiculous legs, the Federation would actually be rather terrifying to run into. Even if your max warp cruise speed is more than it is, it's still within the higher technological margin for the era. What this means, is that if the Federation has your scent, no matter how fast you are, it's almost certainly going to outlast you, and then rip you apart like an ornery bulldog. Once the jaw snaps shut, it won't let go till you're dead.
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Thinking on this a bit more, once people have experienced the range the Federation would be capable of boasting, it'd serve as its own form of deterrent, wouldn't it? The United Federation's sphere of influence would absolutely balloon, and its antagonistic neighbors could no longer play border silly buggers with impunity, because they have to realize if they get unlucky they have an angry Federation chasing them way beyond what other Starfleet ships can manage, and at the very least savage them horrifically, if not eviscerate them wholesale.
 
Tank man said:
Detour because it'd need to make up the 43ly difference between it and the Federation (probably more in practice).

It doesn't matter if your tanker can refuel the whole damn airforce if it's so short legged your planes have half their effective range due to needing to meet up with it at the edge of its range.
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What twisted mirror world are you living in where 314 LY range is considered short-ranged?
 
KarmaA said:
If we want a cargo hauler I'm mostly confused why we need longer legs. Colonies shipping huge quantities to each other to keep this ship busy without it ever bouncing back to the areas that are more built up (with more AM access but less than the core) just doesn't mesh well with how I'm picturing the federation.
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We won our last war in part because the Klingons captured a whole member world and still could not find any fuel. Outside of our Pharos refueling options are probably very scarce in the Federation.

There's probably enough Pharos that it's not a huge issue for Starfleet but being able to visit them less does improve efficiency, and out on the frontier there's probably no fuel at all.
 
50-15 might as well call it now. Like this was never going to be a situation AM Storage lost lol.

Asking people in this thread to vote against logistics is a fools errand.
 
[X] Antimatter Storage (Range: 314ly -> 628ly)

If we had gone with the cruise nacelles this would be a close vote, but as-is even though the Efficient Cruise range is already good enough (though certainly more is always better), it's the extended Maximum Cruise range that really makes this the obvious choice to me considering we have a frankly absurdly high Max Cruise speed, doubling the range on that is incredibly useful.
 
KNakamura said:
50-15 might as well call it now. Like this was never going to be a situation AM Storage lost lol.

Asking people in this thread to vote against logistics is a fools errand.
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Yeah. To be honest my gripe isn't that anti-matter pods win, it's honestly the best choice for this ship. The problem is that it is always the best choice. I'd rather we stick to votes where there is an actual chance any of the options can win.
 
Lohjak said:
We won our last war in part because the Klingons captured a whole member world and still could not find any fuel. Outside of our Pharos refueling options are probably very scarce in the Federation.

There's probably enough Pharos that it's not a huge issue for Starfleet but being able to visit them less does improve efficiency, and out on the frontier there's probably no fuel at all.
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Yep, but shouldn't we have one within like 50 LY?

So a Federation and Excalibur go from there out, they get 150ish LY away from the Pharos before the Federation has to turn around. That puts them 100LY beyond the border they refuel and the Excalibur gets another what 75 LY of range added. So now it can get another 60LY deep. 160LY from the border, that's most of a federation (political entity).

If you expand the Federation class range it can go out 314 LY before refueling the Excalibur but can it carry 300 LY of fuel for the Excalibur in a bladder? Even if it could how or why did we pick a fight where the most meaningful strategic targets are such distances away from us.

Additional flexibility is nice but wouldn't starfleet planners make sure that the ship they're sending way the hell out there is in perfect shape with tons of supplies and a rested crew.

With scanners all that data can be dumped and compared any time this ship hits a starbase or fleet intelligence hub. Then starfleet can use scientists and spooks anywhere to sift and find good follow up targets. If something is super interesting and the captain prioritizes it then that's alright. That's why we give them command of the ships in the first place.
 
[X] Antimatter Storage (Range: 314ly -> 628ly)

As has been noted, this synergizes better with the choices already made.
 
KNakamura said:
50-15 might as well call it now. Like this was never going to be a situation AM Storage lost lol.

Asking people in this thread to vote against logistics is a fools errand.
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Logistics wins wars, and thread federation has massivly diverged from canon Federation. We are massivle more industrialized with greater logistics than they are. Why not lean into it to keep the extra industrialisation going?
 
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