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Chargone
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I think what you'll find is that most of the time the thread has taken the option that gives the highest max cruise, with the main reason not to take the efficient cruise option being how small the payoff was.
Here we're dealing with both a pre-capped max cruise and an efficient cruise option with a really big payoff.
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Really looks like a version of the Orville.Kinda agree, hospital facilities seem like something best suited for planetside facilities, space stations, and perhaps an Archer's pod-mount...
How about a ring nacelle that's essentially flat on the Z-Axis, as a transwarp testbed?
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[X] Large Warp Core (11 Deck) [Cost: 39.5] (Efficient Cruise: 6 -> 6.8)
I think it would look nicer if the nacelle was below instead of awkwardly behind. Then the ship would be framed by them, instead of feeling like it was sort of jammed in there.
Partially agreed.
I think it would look nicer if the nacelle was below instead of awkwardly behind. Then the ship would be framed by them, instead of feeling like it was sort of jammed in there.
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KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
Oh yeah, come to think of it she does!
The Felix did come first, though, by a long shot! 🦊 🐱 🐯 🐺 🐸
*sees winning vote, sighs*
Because we took Heavy Covariant Shields, we can afford to forego the durabiity boosts of going with a Standard Warp Core
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[X] Large Warp Core (11 Deck) [Cost: 39.5] (Efficient Cruise: 6 -> 6.8)
Starfleet is explicitly called out as short of hulls.
The higher the cruising speed on this design, the larger an area of space it can feasibly cover without spending more antimatter, and the longer it can run without stressing the drives.
Which drives down operating and maintenance costs, while permitting improved response time to crises
This allows us to apply a technological solution(better efficient cruise) to a strategic and economic problem (insufficient strategic materials to build enough starships to cover all of the federation in depth)
In the best traditions of the Federation
The Miranda is explicitly skimping on science in order to reduce costs, and the Excalibur has pretty shitty science in the first place at Science C-.
This design is it for the post-war Federation for a few decades; going to be manufactured in the early 2250s at least, and has to carry most of the slack for Science tasks into the 2270s and 2280s when we get new tech rollout in the next tranche of ships.
So it needs good Science, as well as cargo capacity
Not in a setting where transporters exist and you can spread care across many spots and ships
Besides
Antimatter-powered starships dont often have many non-lethal injuries in the event of mass-casualty events; if your warp core destabiizes, or a photon torpedo makes it in before detonation, hard gamma kills fast
Less serious incidents dont need mass triage locations
Its worth noting that even major hospitals dont have anything as huge as a triage deck , and they arent as space-constrained as starships Its not worth the space
This is why you forward-load your foundational choices at the beginning
Because we took Heavy Covariant Shields, we can afford to forego the durabiity boosts of going with a Standard Warp Core
VOTE
[X] Large Warp Core (11 Deck) [Cost: 39.5] (Efficient Cruise: 6 -> 6.8)
Starfleet is explicitly called out as short of hulls.
The higher the cruising speed on this design, the larger an area of space it can feasibly cover without spending more antimatter, and the longer it can run without stressing the drives.
Which drives down operating and maintenance costs, while permitting improved response time to crises
This allows us to apply a technological solution(better efficient cruise) to a strategic and economic problem (insufficient strategic materials to build enough starships to cover all of the federation in depth)
In the best traditions of the Federation
Science is very much a focus of this design
The Miranda is explicitly skimping on science in order to reduce costs, and the Excalibur has pretty shitty science in the first place at Science C-.
This design is it for the post-war Federation for a few decades; going to be manufactured in the early 2250s at least, and has to carry most of the slack for Science tasks into the 2270s and 2280s when we get new tech rollout in the next tranche of ships.
So it needs good Science, as well as cargo capacity
Not really
Not in a setting where transporters exist and you can spread care across many spots and ships
Besides
Antimatter-powered starships dont often have many non-lethal injuries in the event of mass-casualty events; if your warp core destabiizes, or a photon torpedo makes it in before detonation, hard gamma kills fast
Less serious incidents dont need mass triage locations
Its worth noting that even major hospitals dont have anything as huge as a triage deck , and they arent as space-constrained as starships Its not worth the space
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Why are you sighing when the winning vote is the same as your own vote/argument? Who are you mad at?
I believe uju is referring to the saucer config vote.
TheShadowDeamon
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Iv'e always found the 3 nacelle designs with the 3rd just stuck on inbetween and above them like that dreadnought or the Galaxy-X class all look way too cluttered and squished together, limiting phaser firing lines and clear space for shuttlecraft & torpedo launchers. What I do like is the Niagara class, where the 3rd nacelle being underslung keeps the rear area clear and looks balanced.
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eTDawsrTLDdQZCRe7qWPzh3eNbvnX6e5/view?usp=sharing
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Honestly if you want to put something under the secondary hull I'd put the double nacelles down there and leave the odd third nacelle rising up at the back. Having just one nacelle sticking down at the bottom gives it a very unbalanced look like it'll topple over.
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still looks terrible however
TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
But it does leave the normal rear firing arch clear. with a central pylon, we'd either have a centre rear dead zone, have to have 2 sets of phasers at the 5 & 7 o'clock position to get the clear firing zone, or build the pylon up enough that the phaser turrets and torpedo launchers could be placed in the rear wall of it or placed at the very end of the engineering hull. As for it being unbalanced? it's not like it's trying to float on water.
Onionjones
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It can still look unbalanced even if that wouldn't actually apply in space
Frankly I want to go quad nacelles and just sandwich two nacelles together to make a double decker nacelle on each side.
darkstarling
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Kinda agree, hospital facilities seem like something best suited for planetside facilities, space stations, and perhaps an Archer's pod-mount...
How about a ring nacelle that's essentially flat on the Z-Axis, as a transwarp testbed?
That's pretty cool, if you can build a ring coil horizontally instead of vertical I think that's got some serious potential.
Hard Gamma is one of the many ridiculous things they can treat very fast even in the TOS era. Starships get knocked about, have a dozen panels blow up in a dramatic incidents that scatters the console rocks* everywhere, get toxic gas leaks and broken bones... there's a whole range of damage between 'everyone's dead' and 'everything's fine.' Those failed shields and engines disabled all represent people in sickbay.
Science capacity is going to be our Project Excelsior, we can wait. This briefing specifically calls for dropping pure science in favor of more practical concerns.
*they ground the isolinear circuits with their asymetric shape! Science!
TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
Let's wait and see just how much it'll cost first. Although I wonder if when we design the gen 4 nacelles - if we could have the option to design them with dual coils in them like the Galaxy class. Yes they would cost a lot more, but should be cheaper than 2 individual nacelles as they wouldn't need to duplicate all the internal hardware.
KlavoHunter
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I'd love to see a sleeker version of the Franz Joseph Federation-class triple nacelle layout. Have the third engine not sticking so hilariously high up, have it be more in-line with the other pair, just barely raised enough to give the engines unobstructed line-of-sight on one another.
Might need a Larsen-class-style double pylon for the number-three nacelle, though.
Edit: Behold in all its shitty sketch-y-ness!
Perhaps the #3 Nacelle can be moved forward a bit, to shorten the pylons holding it on...
Might need a Larsen-class-style double pylon for the number-three nacelle, though.
Edit: Behold in all its shitty sketch-y-ness!
Perhaps the #3 Nacelle can be moved forward a bit, to shorten the pylons holding it on...
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1) That doesnt appear to be accurate
Star Trek appears to treat survivable injuries as not having been subjected to hard-gamma and its cousins getting through the shields and armor and into the ship. Most of what you see onscreen AFAICT are the consequences of the defenses working, and power surges causing secondary damage
If they did get through, ships gone or would be glowing like Chernobyl's reactor room
2) We cannot wait
Canon Excelsior is a 2270s design that doesnt show up until the 2280s
Starfleet cannot afford a more than three decade interruption in significant mobile Science capacity; Science is a foundationa advantage to both their tactical operations and the Federation's compounding technical and economic advantages
Thats as much a strategic vulnerability in this setting as not having sufficient warships
3) You are mistaken
The brief specifically talks about this ship bringing the capabilities that the Miranda does not
So yes, Science
Not only Science, but Science is a major deficit this design is supposed to address
Do remember that the Kea, which this is compared to, was a science cruiser
I agree, but at the same time we should keep in mind the scientific niches the Attenborough and it's spin-off fulfil, there's no sense in duplications (unless it's required, such as to say get dilithium prospecting*)
*Which we really should go for, what with only a few old Saladin's having such facilities nowadays. Our space is big and there's bound to be places that have it that we've not found yet, and for the more longer ranged/external missions (which it will be getting, even if not quite as much as the Excalibur-class) places close to us that have it.
It's our main bottleneck in ship numbers, and we should do all that we can on our end to address it.
*Which we really should go for, what with only a few old Saladin's having such facilities nowadays. Our space is big and there's bound to be places that have it that we've not found yet, and for the more longer ranged/external missions (which it will be getting, even if not quite as much as the Excalibur-class) places close to us that have it.
It's our main bottleneck in ship numbers, and we should do all that we can on our end to address it.
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I agree we been having numbers issues I feel, more ships even if they would be just the miranda and the federation (being the new warp 8 ships)
Edit: Not to mention this ship be on fridge of federation space so it would likely find all the hidden locations where we can mine for more resources
KlavoHunter
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darkstarling
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I'm telling you, it's a dnd paladin