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Unfortunately the one thing I'm not hearing from the flight deck option is that it'd be any good in a fight.

And this is kind of an 'anchor the formation' ship, it's intended to dish out and take damage.
 
Unfortunately the one thing I'm not hearing from the flight deck option is that it'd be any good in a fight.

And this is kind of an 'anchor the formation' ship, it's intended to dish out and take damage.
Neither option really contributes to the ability to fight, although if a lower sprint has tactical detriments that would be a pretty good reason not to take the flight deck.
 
No, you can't just just run through systems scanning as you go. Otherwise everybody would be doing that and people wouldn't find out things by beaming into caves with tricorders or specialist equipment.
Thankyou for the clarification, much appreciated.

[ ] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)
This is the only viable option long-term. It might be vaguely acceptable to have a slower maximum speed now, but it won't be OK when it comes time to get a refit for a w9 drive or v4 nacelles. We want to increase our numbers and tonnage.

This ship will also become increasingly vulnerable to being isolated and corralled by superior numbers of enemy ships, and picked off in deep space. On the other hand, if we give it balanced, sprint or quad configuration I don't think there's any possibility of current or near-current Klingon threat vessels from outrunning it. It still has the option of fleeing a battle, which is absolutely vital if it's spending lots of time alone.

Only 220 kilotons, it's a shame. I feel more strongly now than ever that we should've gone for absolute max saucer middle size. The Excalibur was a murderous pipsqueak (nothing against it, it's a great little murderous pipsqueak), this isn't even that much bigger, which is what we were aiming for.
 
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[X] Large Warp Core (11 Deck) [Cost: 39.5] (Efficient Cruise: 6 -> 6.8)

The large warp core will allow the project to efficiently move from one side of the Federation to the other, but it does have its downsides. Several hull types have had to be excluded as a result, leaving you with fewer options that you would have otherwise found viable. As it stands there are two options with broadly similar exteriors but different internals.

The first option is a secondary hull of the usual type, though somewhat larger than usual to fit the project's inflated size. The long neck will create a hull with clear sightlines to the bow for an appropriately large main deflector, while the hull itself provides all the usual amenities for shuttles and storage spaces.

On the second option is to use the thicker saucer section to mount a reduced-power deflector and create a flight deck with aft and forward shuttlebay doors. This would allow a large fleet of small craft that would be useful in disaster relief, evacuations, and rapid cargo transfer. The cost would be the reduced maximum warp factors, but if you want to specialise the ship with a strong internal service role it isn't an awful idea since maximum warp is mostly applicable to tactical decision-making rather than long-term travel.

[ ] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)
[ ] Flight Deck (Mass: 220kt) [Cost 55.5] (Maximum Warp: 8 -> 7.6)

Two Hour Moratorium, Please


Will the flight deck reduce torpedo options? : p

To be honest the flight deck is tempting but being a full warp factor slower than the Excaliburs isn't going to cut it for a main tactical cruiser.

On the other hand, I don't necessarily mind cutting our power projection because I'm a fan of peacenik Trek and the huge cruise speed makes it very good defensively.
 
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[ ] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)

standard shuttle bay does pretty well already, presumably this one would scale up with the larger hull. I really don't want to loose speed.
 
Welp, not getting to Kea size with this. Disappointing, but expected.

[ ] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)

I like neither reducing our maximum warp factor nor cutting into the space we have. The secondary hull is less efficient for modules anyway.
 
Oooh... tough call, very tough call.

I'm thinking we go for Flight Deck, I'm less worried about maximum warp than I am about being able to run forever at cruise and get stuff done. And this? This is how you get stuff done. Someone runs from us, we indulge in the long human tradition of endurance predation.

[ ] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)

No way do we want to cut top warp speed since that is important for a heavy cruiser project.
That's specifically for tactical scale stuff, this is an endurance tank
 
I'm thinking we go for Flight Deck, I'm less worried about maximum warp than I am about being able to run forever at cruise and get stuff done. And this? This is how you get stuff done. Someone runs from us, we indulge in the long human tradition of endurance predation.
I don't think this actually makes us any better at long-range operations, it just doesn't make us any worse. Being able to sprint is apparently useful tactically, so it might not be great to limit that on the ship that makes up our main line of battle.

Only 220 kilotons, it's a shame. I feel more strongly now than ever that we should've gone for absolute max saucer middle size. The Excalibur was a murderous pipsqueak (nothing against it, it's a great little murderous pipsqueak), this isn't even that much bigger, which is what we were aiming for.
We haven't mounted nacelles yet. We'll probably end up between 240-260kt.
 
I think Flight Deck is a really neat capability. It sounds like it would give it a second life as our main logistics and support ship, since the Excalibur doesn't have a cargo bay and the Archer can't keep up with the new fleet.
 
Will the flight deck reduce torpedo options? : p

To be honest the flight deck is tempting but being a full warp factor slower than the Excaliburs isn't going to cut it for a main tactical cruiser.

On the other hand, I don't necessarily mind cutting our power projection because I'm a fan of peacenik Trek and the huge cruise speed makes it very good defensively.
It doesn't change our strategic speed, so by most measures the Federation will actually be faster than an Excalibur. We've got more limited tactical options but our brief was for a tank. It's job to to be the heavy support for agile dps.
 
I think Flight Deck is a really neat capability. It sounds like it would give it a second life as our main logistics and support ship, since the Excalibur doesn't have a cargo bay and the Archer can't keep up with the new fleet.

Yeah, going with the flight deck makes this a Newton that doesn't have a glass chin. It's not something to be overlooked given the Newton was command's favorite ship before the war.
 
Aaaaand here we go. All benefits of a flight deck, of which there are many, being sacrificed on the altar of MORE SPEED.

[] Flight Deck (Mass: 220kt) [Cost 55.5] (Maximum Warp: 8 -> 7.6)

In all seriousness though, this is probably one of the single biggest things we could do to maximize utility for cost, extend this class' service life as far as it can go, and get Starfleet's approval as "worth the price".
 
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No, they won't. The flight deck uses the space that could have been a large cargo bay for an inline deflector instead.
The deflector is mounted in the saucer, so unless the entire secondary hull and aft saucer sections are all deflector then there's plenty of room left.

Yeah, going with the flight deck makes this a Newton that doesn't have a glass chin. It's not something to be overlooked given the Newton was command's favorite ship before the war.
The Newton was popular because it was cheap and it had good tactical, though. This ship will also have good tactical and engineering, but there's no way it's gonna be cheap.
 
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