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well we definitely need warships for the Romulan War but the main issue in the Romulan war is that the more cutting edge ships are the more likely it is for them to be hacked since a lot of advanced tech will definitely recquire Vulcan tech which will remove the partial immunity UE ships have regarding Romulan hacking.A good focus however would be in non-Vulcan tech and warp speed.Tech because it means we might be able to have adequately teched ships that won't be backdoored in the Romulan war and will help us be able to create NX-types without the logistical clusterfuck of Canon.Warp speed is also a immediate need since one of the few advantages the UE had was being able to have Warp 7 engines on some ships while the Romulans had Warp 5 engines but lacked the Warp 7's due to a combination of UE policy to thoroughly scorched earth anything that might give the Romulans Warp 7,internal Romulan infighting and the Warp 7 R&D being stolen and sabotaged intensely by both the project head and various Romulan political factions.However despite having the capability to produce Warp 7's most UE ships were stuck at Warp 3 until around midway into the war with a Warp 5 Deadelaus refit and the like 2 surviving NX-types being outfitted with Warp 7 which meant that in practice most civillian ships, both UE and non-UE were practically dead men walking due to being too slow to out run patrols and QRF forces not having the speed to help whatever ships could be spared as escorts.
[X] Half-Saucer Hull
I'm pretty sure Starfleet never found an alternative to deflectors for higher warp..
But I do think we should avoid salt over people voting for things that we dont agree with, because tbh of course we might view our strategic priorities different.
Implying people who voted different are bad isn't going to make this fun.
I'm pretty sure Starfleet never found an alternative to deflectors for higher warp..
But I do think we should avoid salt over people voting for things that we dont agree with, because tbh of course we might view our strategic priorities different.
Implying people who voted different are bad isn't going to make this fun.
STEU isn't canon and I'd really not recommend the romulan war books as reasonable, since they fall into the trap of plot > logic. Especially since ENTs writers have classic Trek "what is cybersecurity" issues, the books more so.
That said I do agree relying on the NX classes might be foolish, but we havent built our versions yet.
If we are following the two smaller then one bigger pattern still that means we get a project we can use for a utility ship before we work on the NX class.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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I would think that most people have a head-canon timeline that cherry-picks their favorite parts of different ST media and mushes them together, or maybe I'm just projecting when I say that. I know that my personal view of star trek is influenced heavily by TNG and STO.
I think Star Trek is one of those franchises that really allows for head-canons since the series does embrace alternate timelines as a thing.
Also yeah this is supposed to be a ship that's in production before the Nx-01 leaves dry-dock.
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- Earth
I agree with this broadly, but I don't think someone should assume someone else's head canon. The author hasn't indicated how they are handling the Romulan war and its premature to assume STEU or other alt canon elements in their quest.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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Yeah, I don't want to assume anything, and we also haven't gotten to the Romulan war yet; right now in the quest the UE is worried about piracy.
Yeah, and that's fine, mostly. I just think that until the QM establishes things as canon to this quest we shouldn't drag in too much from non on-air sources.
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- United States
[X] Arrowhead Hull
I would like to make some advancements other than saucer. Even if Saucer end up the majority of the ships, would like at least a few of different design.
I would like to make some advancements other than saucer. Even if Saucer end up the majority of the ships, would like at least a few of different design.
LunaMoth
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Yeah, more angular ships would be nice, preferably without a neck too.
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- Kiel; Germany
Why that? That sounds a bit boring to me.
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- his hidden lair
Space is big. Incredibly big, frankly it doesn't matter how big or fast these patrol ships are if they're not in position to respond and while individually any of these half saucer designs have a larger area they can respond to, having more hulls is likely going to create a more rapid response network.
[X] Arrowhead Hull
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- Earth, Sol
Now that I'm thinking about IC. I came to the realization that we're now gonna be the designer and the shipyard. Excited to see chat devolve to the spat between Utopia Planitia Yards and the Design team of the 2300s.
"What do you mean you want THAT amount of prototypes on this hull. We'll have to do some magic to get that through."
"No, you don't see how this new addition would leapfrog ship design by decades."
"That's all well and good but your designs have gotten half the shipyards from Earth to Bolarus backed up"
Arguing intensifies
"What do you mean you want THAT amount of prototypes on this hull. We'll have to do some magic to get that through."
"No, you don't see how this new addition would leapfrog ship design by decades."
"That's all well and good but your designs have gotten half the shipyards from Earth to Bolarus backed up"
Arguing intensifies
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- California
[X] Arrowhead Hull
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- Seattle, Washington
[x] Half-Saucer Hull
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- California
I would imagine that the Arrowhead hull will be able to manage the Waro 5 regime, but the lack of deflector will probably lead to warp efficiency issues. Having to use more power to establish a stronger bubble that can act as the deflection shield instead of having a dedicated system that can do it.
There has to be a reason every starfleet ship we see has one, but other ships don't. Most likely it's because the other races view their ships as warships, and like outrigger nacelles a deflector dish is an easy target in combat and thus not worth the gains. But Starfleet generally considers itself an exploratory service first and foremost, and so is perfectly willing to have these theoretical weaknesses in exchange for the advantages they offer, and are able to keep up in combat due to the advanced scientific understandings only a fleet of nerds can provide.
There has to be a reason every starfleet ship we see has one, but other ships don't. Most likely it's because the other races view their ships as warships, and like outrigger nacelles a deflector dish is an easy target in combat and thus not worth the gains. But Starfleet generally considers itself an exploratory service first and foremost, and so is perfectly willing to have these theoretical weaknesses in exchange for the advantages they offer, and are able to keep up in combat due to the advanced scientific understandings only a fleet of nerds can provide.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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It actually seems like deflectors can be developed in more ways than just a dish, if that Klingon technical manual for the Bird of Prey is correct.
But yeah, I think Starfleet's primary mission definitely influences us using deflector dishes over any other kind.