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I think rapids would make the ship rather useful in a fleet setting its rapid meaning if you can switch targets often during an engagement, having aft would just mean you can attack more then one target behind and forward of you.
 
In Disco this was more or less the situation the Federation found itself in. And that war ended because the Federation was set to blow up Quonos via a stealth mission and then handed the detonator to someone who would keep the peace.

Candesce said:
The Klingons aren't a solidly united polity, and one of their massed attacks just got totally wiped out.

If there isn't an immediate firing circle over who's to blame for all the losses against an easy target, it's because the Klingon leadership is burning resources to delay it.
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A big thing that's going to affect the Klingons is who was in the massed assault. Which, if we know anything about the Klingons, will be the favored allies of Duras being granted an opportunity for glory and honor. Which means that, with their destruction, Duras has taken a major hit to its political and military power. Which, in the empire, is a synonym.

If I had to guess at the world lines I'd say the house of Mogh, who have doubtless been relegated to dishonorable backline duty and colonial occupation, will find their rivals for the chancellorship vulnerable. And their ships are as yet undamaged in the war.

This is Klingon politics functioning as intended. If you succeed, you gain more success. If you fail, you are vulnerable and someone else gets a turn.
 
KNakamura said:
They rolled out the Ares-class (this is Axanar continunity)
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I really cannot overstate my utter disgust with the "Star Trek: Axanar" pricks, all for 'sheer fucking hubris' (and let's not forget greed) they almost got fan works (in particular fan shows) for Star Trek as a whole killed off (including a number of long running and beloved ones).
 
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landcollector said:
My concern is diverting limited (though unknown) RFL production from Excalibur hulls for this. We're already doing poorly, I am not casting a vote that may make it even worse. *shrug*
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You just got clarified by the QM that that's too in the weeds to track, it's just one big fungible pile of cost that can be spent.

I can understand the concern, it could be a legit problem if those things were tracked, but once we get told point blank it doesn't matter then it won't matter (for now, as the current ruleset stands).
 
[X] Forward Rapid Launcher (Cost 53 -> 65)

Looks like we're on the backfoot, but reading into GM's implications, they built up the deathball by taking an advance on their economic future and this is the gamble they made with it.

If it succeeds, they'll go golden age. If it fails, the Chancellor is not gonna have a good time.
 
inirlan said:
You just got clarified by the QM that that's too in the weeds to track, it's just one big fungible pile of cost that can be spent.

I can understand the concern, it could be a legit problem if those things were tracked, but once we get told point blank it doesn't matter then it won't matter (for now, as the current ruleset stands).
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I don't agree, but oh well. I am just going to assume then, in the absence of actionable info, that RFL production should be reserved for actual frontliner Warships for the time being and vote:

[X] Two Forward Torpedoes, Two Aft (Cost: 53 -> 62) [-1 Modules]

Edit: @inirlan I would like to know what exactly about this post you consider funny.
 
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TeaMug said:
The Excalibur retrospective shows the Federation surviving the war. That was the state of the future when we started designing this ship*; I don't see how this ship can make things turn out worse.

Unless you are positing that our war-losing decision was not designing the defense satellites?
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I'm not saying we die. It's just what we did has very very little of what we can feasibly do will affect this outcome.
 
[X] Forward Rapid Launcher, Two Aft Torpedoes (Cost 53 -> 69.5) [-1 Modules]

Honestly, it would be Very Tempting to put a rapud fire launcher in the aft slot too, expensive as that is.
No idea if it would be in any way actually worth it, and it's not an option presented... But tempting.
 
landcollector said:
I don't agree, but oh well. I am just going to assume then, in the absence of actionable info, that RFL production should be reserved for actual frontliner Warships for the time being and vote:
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I thought it was fairly explicit, if RFL wins there is enough production for them, if it does not win it does not matter. Sayle is not tracking things like how many of X component can be made. If its voted for it can be made in sufficient amounts, end of story.
 
I think people are being a little over-anxious about the Klingons. Sure they might have a larger fleet than us, but remember that a significant reason we are struggling in the early phases of the war is because the Federation is larger than it was in canon and so our fleet is stretched thin trying to cover all that space. As the Klingons move in and conquer territory, our defensive line shrinks and it becomes easier to concentrate our forces, while the Klingons now need to dedicate forces to pacifying and extracting resources from their newly conquered space. In some ways, each system they capture weakens them in the short term.
 
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