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NSMS said:
Worth noting that the Miranda wasn't actually too far off the Connie in terms of size.
No engineering hull, but the saucer has the same diameter and projects back past the circle quite a bit.
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Tank man said:
It's also pretty thick at the back, not quite sure how many decks but iirc it's about as thick there as the Connie is between the bridge dome and the sensor dome - which over such a large area adds up.
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The Miranda is actually significantly bigger in terms of mass/volume, funnily enough.

EC Henry had a great video on this:


View: https://youtu.be/iRSDSJexMEA?si=t6hhZ2QiRysR0LKu
 
killerofa23 said:
We have done that before it was the constable class which start decommissioning in about 40 years. It was a warp 3 design and it's major drawback is that it can not even make the run from its build yard to patrol without pain.
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The Constable isn't a military vessel, it's a police ship that at best can fend off a smuggler in an upgunned freighter. A small, frigate-sized ship that has a range of like 100ly or something, built with high sprint, maybe one RFL + a couple of phasers, and probably a small cargo bay would make for an effective patrol vessel/courier/rapid responder and help our aging Pharos stay tactically relevant. It'd also help bulk up our tactical fleet, since we probably want our frontline combatants to start using all the new tech we've been getting.
 
Lohjak said:
The Constable isn't a military vessel, it's a police ship that at best can fend off a smuggler in an upgunned freighter. A small, frigate-sized ship that has a range of like 100ly or something, built with high sprint, maybe one RFL + a couple of phasers, and probably a small cargo bay would make for an effective patrol vessel/courier/rapid responder and help our aging Pharos stay tactically relevant. It'd also help bulk up our tactical fleet, since we probably want our frontline combatants to start using all the new tech we've been getting.
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Yeah it is not necessarily a design we should be doing because it's not necessarily that "exciting". (Although there are ways to make it so.) But it's definitely such an obvious choice going into a war that *someone* will need to do it, or even start a crash-build program during the war if need be.
 
So, thoughts on what we might design next:

Light Cruiser/Escort, most likely a combatant - Personally I have a soft spot for the idea of a 'downsized Thunderchild' that's slow yet surprisingly economical.
Border Outpost Stations, probably a Military > Civilian > Logistics prioritized-station. (Possibly Military/Civilian swapped around).
Nacelle Part - Part of logic here being by the time we finish designing the above, there's no time for any to be built in meaningful quantities to affect the war.
 
Given we kinda take budget as a suggestion I think the cheap war light cruiser/escort might go to SanFran. We'll probably end up with something where our idea of moderation is more suitable, like a station, imo.
 
I wonder if there are any design bureaus doing civilian ships. All of our ships have been huge military grade things with the exception of the constable. But surely there's some design bureaus out there catering to the civilian market.

Also we need the space ship equivalent of a Ford Ranger so that it can show up in the background as "designated civilian ship"
 
Technically speaking I don't think there's anything stopping up from designing a civilian ship (though as a sole/primarily government contractor there's probably gonna be questions asked about why we're using these resources for something not-Starfleet related), but the main problem is all the yards associated with us are military ones. We'd have to hope that civilian or national yards take up our design, and the latter at least will have their own in house design teams.
 
Unless I'm misunderstanding thing, the Federation is good on logistics ships for a while, yes? That means we can make the follow-up ship class another dreadnaught. Even though the Excalibur is a decent explorer we can make one that does the task better.

All I can say is that I hope that the butterflies caused by our different choices are really felt by the TNG years. And that Riker is trained to understand that combat is, in fact, not a minor part of being a starship captain.
 
Wellhello said:
I hope we get the chance to make a ship for diplomatic missions again sometime.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see some of those get ordered once the war's over- that's the exact time to be looking for new alliances and trying to keep the peace/cease fire boiling over.
 
If I recall correctly, when budget is a hard cap or explicitly a major priority we can keep costs down, but when it's Not a hard cap or something else is a significantly higher priority, well... The results tend to reflect that.
 
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    • As the Excalibur finishes its shakedown trials you confirm there are no pressing issues that need your attention and then turn to the next project. Starfleet has two potential gaps it is interested in filling. The first is a defense satellite that can be deployed around spaceborne installations like the Pharos or minor outposts, dissuading military action against the former and piracy against the latter. You would be constrained by certain budgetary limitations but otherwise free to tailor the platform as you see fit.

    The second is a science vessel that can take thorough surveys of habitable worlds. While the Kea has plenty of facilities for general cartography and geological sciences, the biological side of that has been somewhat neglected. Several colonies have had to deal with novel pathogens or had to implement crude solutions to the activities of local flora and fauna that could have been prepared for more efficiently given forewarning. Cataloguing an entire biosphere is no small task, and a ship dedicated to that could go a long way towards making safe colonies before the first boot touches soil. Such a vessel would ideally be small and well-specialised.

    [ ] Defense Satellite
    [ ] Biosciences Ship

    Two Hour Moratorium, Please
     
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    • Oooooh this is tough. Satellites could be helpful but we skimped on botany/chemistry for the Excalibur and I would really love a second swing at those facilities. (Also, like… c'mon, we're Starfleet, not Starstationary - let's hand the drones off to those Earth-based busybodies and make the ship!! :sour:)
     
    A satellite isn't a station. Still very useful in general, though.

    A biosciences survey ship seems likely to be spending lots of time on frontiers, so it'd presumably be armed - if we wanted to do a single-thruster, single-rapid tube design, this would be a good choice. Something intended more to support the Excalibur in war rather than fight on its own versus anything serious, but still capable of seeing off things that aren't D7s.

    I'd assume either can mount Covariants if prototyping those is still an option. Probably won't be - they shift to Standard next year, before we'd even vote to mount them.
     
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    I would go with Bioscience. Never know when that organic thing you are looking at could give you the secret to stupidly powerful shit. or the next bio-virus to kill everything.
     
    Yeah both of these actually sound really fun so I'm having a tough time choosing.

    Maybe leaning a bit more towards the satellite just for sheer novelty.
     
    While I would love to go off and SCIENCE the galaxy, we're currently having a very painful lesson on the importance of keeping up with defensive improvements.
    [ ] Defense Satellite
    These will be a massive help when the Klingons kick off in a few years.
     
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