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Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
The Reliant fought evenly with an already damaged and limping Enterprise; in a straight fight I'm pretty sure the Enterprise would have a commanding lead.
[ ] Defense Satellite
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
How small is small?
@Sayle can we get a tonnage bracket
We need bio+chemistry+CPU core+medbay minimum don't know if we can squeeze an arboreum in anything 150k or smaller.
Anything else aux related for a bioship im missing?
So if we want to do everything we need to hit 200k i think?
Build for max cruise.
Max maneuver.
RF+2p fw + 2p aft
Small covariant shield.
@Sayle can we get a tonnage bracket
We need bio+chemistry+CPU core+medbay minimum don't know if we can squeeze an arboreum in anything 150k or smaller.
Anything else aux related for a bioship im missing?
So if we want to do everything we need to hit 200k i think?
Build for max cruise.
Max maneuver.
RF+2p fw + 2p aft
Small covariant shield.
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KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
I'd like us to do the satellite simply because it means that we can have some actual defensive infrastructure that's able to be dropped off in high risk areas instead of anchoring ships nearby
- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
if we do big honken science disc, I think it should be a proper disc. No secondary/engineering hull! Just saucer! Pure saucer!
I am firmly of the opinion that 180kt is about the floor for ship sizes we should build. An 180kton ship has average maneuverability with one type 3 thruster. Going smaller doesn't make sense.
Yes. The flying saucer comes to study your farm animals.
Going big is literally impossible.
"Such a vessel would ideally be small and well-specialised."
Whilst small can have a number of interpretations none of them jive a ship over 120,000 tonnes, imo. And I'd call going a solid half of the Excalibur mass (90,000 tonnes) about right.
My problem are the aux slots.
I don't know if we have enough of them on a smaller tonnage if we do great.
60kt full saucer+ 40kt secondary hull?
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We should design complimentary science shuttles that are also flying saucers.
The Excalibur isn't a huge ship. It too was built on a tonnage budget.
But 90,000 tons is a ship that literally has very high maneuverability by default with type 3 thrusters. That feels VERY small. A science ship does not need that sort of maneuverability.
- Location
- USA
Is there an inherent problem with a smaller ship being able to dance on a standard model thruster? Is there a downside?
Unless we get to intentionally design a smaller, less capable engine for this ship, why not just let it be fast?
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- Location
- Wörms, the half continent
90kt of pure Saucer is still a pretty large craft, no? Going by Galleli it's something larger than 100m of saucer (which got us 82kt). 110m, maybe?
It feels very weird.
And it feels like "Well, why not just take the same core, same weapons, same thrusters, and just add an extra 90,000 tons of ship and a little extra shield (that ends up making the shields more powerful).
80% of the ship cost is the same between a 90kton ship and a 180kton ship with the same equipment.
And in return you get something like 2-3 times the free internal space to actually do science in.
- Location
- USA
That takes longer to build, needs more crew, and requires a larger shipyard. Hulls are cheap, not free.
The only extra crew you need are the crew using the extra facilities. We know a major cutoff for shipyards is 200,000 tons.
A ship 2 times as capable in the primary task is worth the little extra cost in hull.
Is it wrong that I want to design another sphere ship, but combine the cheap requirement with the biological analysis by having the main systems and crew quarters be in the outer hull, with a void space between it and an inner-sphere with only minimal connections between the inner and outer spheres. You know, for containment purposes, just in case.
darkstarling
Brilliantly Crazed
- Location
- Columbus, Ohio
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah, it would definitely take a dedicated warship to take on the Excalibur Class in a straight fight no matter how smart Kahn is.
TBH I'm tentatively okay with either of these. I'd kinda like to finish either one well under budget so we can get bulk ships.
[] Defense Satellite
The problem I see with these is we're kinda schitzo and unlike my desire to make them cheep, we actually NEED them to be dirt cheap so we can deploy them everywhere.
Economy of scale, you don't worry about them getting destroyed, you make them cheap enough that you budget them getting destroyed and having them dissuades enough to give you a net gain across the board.
The largest synergy for this is we don't like adding too many guns to stations, historically. This would let us up the tactical rating of basically all future projects. At least a tiny bit.
Probably good given how sneaky most of the federations enemies tend to be with stealth and raiding.
Make them shaped like rings for the doom-donut aesthetic.
[] Biosciences Ship
I weirdly don't have much to add to this. I feel like we could really use this ship with how little science we've been doing.
I'd be cool with this, but I'd like to make them medical ships to boot as my one hardline item.
And Cargo, natch. ;P
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Sphere with an inhabited halo that can be detached from the halo. If the scientist drop the ball, the ship can drop the ball.
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[] Defense Satellite
The problem I see with these is we're kinda schitzo and unlike my desire to make them cheep, we actually NEED them to be dirt cheap so we can deploy them everywhere.
Economy of scale, you don't worry about them getting destroyed, you make them cheap enough that you budget them getting destroyed and having them dissuades enough to give you a net gain across the board.
The largest synergy for this is we don't like adding too many guns to stations, historically. This would let us up the tactical rating of basically all future projects. At least a tiny bit.
Probably good given how sneaky most of the federations enemies tend to be with stealth and raiding.
Make them shaped like rings for the doom-donut aesthetic.
[] Biosciences Ship
I weirdly don't have much to add to this. I feel like we could really use this ship with how little science we've been doing.
I'd be cool with this, but I'd like to make them medical ships to boot as my one hardline item.
And Cargo, natch. ;P
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Sphere with an inhabited halo that can be detached from the halo. If the scientist drop the ball, the ship can drop the ball.
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darkstarling
Brilliantly Crazed
- Location
- Columbus, Ohio
- Pronouns
- He/Him
And get the fiddly little choices in the TYPE of bioscience ship
Please no. For all the Archer was capable at her duties, the orb design in Trek style is eye searing.