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while i am not anti getting into the mix of the war and all that (also where the xindi not a thing or was that just blown over)
not sure what if anything the SDB could add to the war effort other then vote what might have priority for the next prototype ship or whatever?

be nice too see all that alien teck get kitbassed into a somewhat working ship later.

ps: pretty sure the oberth did live. just not a upgraded one.
or do you mean in this alternet time line. not sure how we could upgrade it into a good ship.
 
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Lonosic said:
I now wish to make a science ship based off the hull of the Zheng He.

The Oberth must live. We must make a Daedalus-class. Let Starfleet ponder the universe through an O̵̧̨̱̬͍͖͓͆ ̸̨̡̗͈̥͂r̶̬̯̲̤͈̊̎́̂̊͐̀̔͝ ̷̧͇̞͎̮͎̌̉̍̎̂͜ͅb̷̨̟͍͓͇̰͓̞͒̅
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That is a profoundly bad idea right now. We are in the run up to a total war with the Romulan Star empire. If we loose that (a distinct possibilety as currently we only have 4 heavy cruisers that will not all orbit earth when the fun starts they could be billions of dead. What we should be doing is refiting the stingrays to be better warships and accumulate more industrie to build 2 Nx class ships or 3/4 Stingrays at the same time once the war starts.(they would be far more usefull than the Zheng He in any configuration.)
 
I have to agree. Widening the fleet, along with doing what refits of the Stingray we can, will not only allow us to project more stopping power in any conflict that comes up, it will allow us to protect and expand our general sphere of influence and the colonies we have under our belt at the moment.
 
Bedpotato said:
That is a profoundly bad idea right now. We are in the run up to a total war with the Romulan Star empire. If we loose that (a distinct possibilety as currently we only have 4 heavy cruisers that will not all orbit earth when the fun starts they could be billions of dead. What we should be doing is refiting the stingrays to be better warships and accumulate more industrie to build 2 Nx class ships or 3/4 Stingrays at the same time once the war starts.(they would be far more usefull than the Zheng He in any configuration.)
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As warships sure they would be more useful in a fight than the Zheng he, but wars are fought using logistics, not just banging who has the bigger more shooty ship's together until one side wins, we need cargo ships too.
 
Well, we've got an escort and a heavy cruiser, now. That gives us two fleet roles covered for the Romulan war. We can't make a battleship class, the NX almost broke the bank as is, but we might be able to make a destroyer class vessel in time. Any ideas, lads?
 
NavySeel said:
As warships sure they would be more useful in a fight than the Zheng he, but wars are fought using logistics, not just banging who has the bigger more shooty ship's together until one side wins, we need cargo ships too.
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As far as I'm aware, we still have the boomers that we can fall back on for anything that is low-priority. How many Zheng Hes do we have for armed and armored transport? I could see some diversity in how we expand the fleet, a few Zheng Hes alongside the Stingrays, but with how devoted our industry is to the NX program, we'll need to think carefully about what the balance is.
 
Humanity unfurled
Romulans desire destruction
Knife-ear go home, go home

That was a beautiful retrospective, something special in it. Unity out of the ashes, making friends and influencing people.
 
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Well, we've got an escort and a heavy cruiser, now. That gives us two fleet roles covered for the Romulan war. We can't make a battleship class, the NX almost broke the bank as is, but we might be able to make a destroyer class vessel in time. Any ideas, lads?
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Make a new half-saucer ship and strap an obscene amount of torpedo launchers on it. Call it the Jellyfish.
 
A new design could well dilute how many ships we can build at the moment and add another factor of complication to what our production line looks like. Not to discount the idea out of hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if we could just refit a Stingray to be the Jellyfish in question here.

Edit: would @Sayle or anyone else be willing to give me a quick headcount on our current fleet roster? I think having our current fleet composition in front of us might help the decision-making process.
 
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StriderInCosmos said:
Edit: would @Sayle or anyone else be willing to give me a quick headcount on our current fleet roster? I think having our current fleet composition in front of us might help the decision-making process.
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5 Stingrays(Need engine and weapons upgrade to be useful)
6Zheng he Merchants(absolutely useless during the war not worth the effort to try and refit)
4 NX-Class heavy cruisers(Okayish, more of them or refitting the existing ones with more gun would be nice)
 
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Sayle said:
Given the technological disparity, one could be forgiven for being confused by the outsized impact that Enterprise had in the local area. From a purely military perspective Enterprise had a substantial mass advantage over most vessels used by local powers, and spread over such a large surface area even her inferior polarised plating technology offered substantial defensive advantages.
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Sayle said:
To the less influential species, Enterprise generally qualified as a heavy cruiser in mass and capability, but was willing to engage with them as equals and without pretension. To everyone but the Vulcans, the ship presented one overwhelming message: humanity might be new, but they were going to be a force to be reckoned with once they caught up technologically.
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It damn near broke the bank, but it was absolutely worth it. It sent a message that Humans were worth paying attention to and should be taken seriously despite how new we were.
 
Bedpotato said:
5 Stingrays(Need engine and weapons upgrade to be useful)
6Zheng he Merchants(absolutely useless during the war not worth the effort to try and refit)
4 NX-Class heavy cruisers(Okayish, more of them or refitting the existing ones with more gun would be nice)
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Okay this is just blatantly wrong, Zheng Hes are our logistics, the boomers can take some of the bulk stuff sure but they aren't anywhere near as good, transport capacity is utterly vital to a war, I can get not upgrading their weapons or impulse engines, but giving them the new warp engines is a good investment.
 
Okay, with that fleet mix, I could see investing in the refits, and building maybe 1-2 more Zheng Hes, double that number for Stingrays/whatever refit version we get of them (I must admit, I'm kind of partial to outfitting a few of them to the 'Jellyfish' concept listed by Boog).

Edit: And by refits, I clarify that to mean warp engines for the lot of them, and up-gunning the Stingrays as needed.
 
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StriderInCosmos said:
Okay, with that fleet mix, I could see investing in the refits, and building maybe 1-2 more Zheng Hes, double that number for Stingrays/whatever refit version we get of them (I must admit, I'm kind of partial to outfitting a few of them to the 'Jellyfish' concept listed by Boog).
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I really think refitting our existing Zheng Hes with new warp engines is a far better investment than using all the capacity required to make entirely new ones.

Letting our current ones move at at warp 5-ish rather than the previous warp <3 is a better investment than making new slow ones
 
Entirely reasonable, and 1 or 2 was the highest I would even consider going at the moment. That would free up industry to focus on Stingrays for security/combat and for whatever refits the fleet needs.
 
Uh, didn't we already do the refits by choosing the 3 production run though? Thats what it says in the last paragraph of the previous vote, choosing the smaller run would also involve upgrading the Stingray's and expanding industry.
 
So I've seen some people saying we are at war with the Romulans, but we actually aren't yet.
It's still 2151 as of the latest turn and the war doesn't start until after 2155 at the earliest, we have time to work on some things.

The end of that retrospective is still in the future, like plenty were last thread.
 
The lack of mention about the Delphi Expanse and the Xindi makes me think that that stuff isn't part of this quest's canon? Because that would be a massive part of even a basic retrospective, what with saving Earth itself from being blown up.

Kind of makes sense, really--for all of the admirable qualities of the NX-01, there is no way in hell that polarized hull plating could possibly keep up with the damage inflicted on a ship without shields and no drydock or logistical support to repair it.

...and it's really best if the Temporal Cold War is just dropped altogether.

I really like the idea that what allowed humanity to make such a difference so quickly was a confluence of factors that allowed it to emerge as a truly unified polity that is culturally motivated towards an idealistic and ambitious purpose, rather than an innate talent. The fact that the Vulcans somewhat inadvertently proved a critical factor for that is all the better.
 
Darik29 said:
Uh, didn't we already do the refits by choosing the 3 production run though? Thats what it says in the last paragraph of the previous vote, choosing the smaller run would also involve upgrading the Stingray's and expanding industry.
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If that was the case, the informational containing all the ship stats would have been updated to reflect it.

The refit vote will probably be in the next update.
 
So for the Zheng Hes refit I'm leaning the Warp Engine gets upgraded, and maybe giving them one more cannon as a just in case measure.

The Stingrays I want to upgrade the Impulse thrusters, the Warp Engine, and give them at least two more cannons, they also need atomic torpedos.

Then I kind of want to bring the Stingrays up to the point we can have 3 squadrons of 3, so four more.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
The lack of mention about the Delphi Expanse and the Xindi makes me think that that stuff isn't part of this quest's canon? Because that would be a massive part of even a basic retrospective, what with saving Earth itself from being blown up.

Kind of makes sense, really--for all of the admirable qualities of the NX-01, there is no way in hell that polarized hull plating could possibly keep up with the damage inflicted on a ship without shields and no drydock or logistical support to repair it.

...and it's really best if the Temporal Cold War is just dropped altogether.

I really like the idea that what allowed humanity to make such a difference so quickly was a confluence of factors that allowed it to emerge as a truly unified polity that is culturally motivated towards an idealistic and ambitious purpose, rather than an innate talent. The fact that the Vulcans somewhat inadvertently proved a critical factor for that is all the better.
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Temporal Shenanigans have a habit of raising many more questions than can be reasonably answered the moment you give it more than a cursory glance. Sometimes even with just a cursory glance.
 
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