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The only covariant worth using on this ship is the heavy version and the only reason the standard is getting people voting for it is them deluding themselves it's better somehow.
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darkstarling
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Given our armament and maneuverability plus EITHER winning vote getting us shields as strong as canon, frankly I'll be surprised if we don't get an S Rank tactical anyway. No, what I'm worried about is a solid D in cost.
To reiterate, we don't have prototype rolls anymore.
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Chargone
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No delusion at all. They've convinced themselves it's better than the heavy type 1 (which is somewhat understandable, regardless of if it's correct or not) and Cheaper than the heavy covariant by enough to matter. Which it absolutely is.
Unless it was changed Again, we do, but it works very differently from before. Temporary downside for the first batch of ships if it fails, no long term effect on the tech either way.
Do tell us if That was Also thrown out (or renamed?), because it was relevant to a number of people's decision making.
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Then vote heavy covariant that's actually better than the heavy type 1.
darkstarling
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It's also plated in latinum.
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at least it doesn't cripple the ship in the future.
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Yes we do, they just only apply to the first run of ships in the class.
Its funny, people scream about cost but then shell out for the extra expensive option that is not a sure thing and more expensieve then equal alternative, i don't get it, its even worse because the standard grid is never going to be as good as the large one!
Edit: By which I mean either cheap out and take the standard large one as cheap and powerfull system or go all in and take the large covariant all others are not worth it paradoxically screams about cost still lead to people taking the wrong choice!
Edit: By which I mean either cheap out and take the standard large one as cheap and powerfull system or go all in and take the large covariant all others are not worth it paradoxically screams about cost still lead to people taking the wrong choice!
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[X] Standard Covariant [36 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 104.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 93.75]
[X] Heavy Covariant [44 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 116.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 103.25]
Went and read through the thread.
Some people actually want to ban approval voting? The hell? I'm going to approval vote my top two options just because of that.
Improving durability by 20% is obviously worth a 10% increase in cost anyway.
[X] Heavy Covariant [44 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 116.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 103.25]
Went and read through the thread.
Some people actually want to ban approval voting? The hell? I'm going to approval vote my top two options just because of that.
Improving durability by 20% is obviously worth a 10% increase in cost anyway.
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The ship will also be stuck with the standard grid meaning that as soon as something is faster and harder hitting it's cooked even if the larger covariant shield could save it.
Prototype rolls still happen
Having the first tranche which is going to take the brunt of the attention from the Klingons get shafted because of bad rolls would be disastrous.
The original connie actually used type-1 heavy, so it doesn't seem like we're really behind canon there.
Chargone
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Might want to double check if it's the same individuals, because usually it mostly isn't, and sometimes it's because new information or good arguments changed their minds.
I saw people trying to get those who were approval voting the top two options to switch to voting one way or the other, but I missed anyone suggesting that approval voting be banned. This is exactly the sort of vote where it's a good thing, to my mind.
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Its really not, if all votes where one choice only people would have to make a choice what they want then vote on it and try their best to convince others to follow suit, not taking 3 out of 4 and calling it a day because they dislike one thing in particular.
darkstarling
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Counterpoint, it prevents every voting block from being automatically split.
There is, in fact, such a thing as a compromise position.
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So you want to advance shield tech? Then please explain why you decide to go with the stupid standard and not the heavy one and do not say cost as you have allready accepted you have to shell out for the good stuff.
Oh the dreaded compromise the solution that is usually the worst of both that makes no one happy yes lets ake that!
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I want the heavy covariant to win. To be fair, it's a close third. If it exceeds the standard, I will banish the standard from my vote. Until then...here we are.
Dude, I feel you. I really do. But it is what it is.
Dude, I feel you. I really do. But it is what it is.
Type-1 Heavy is better than Covariant standard. Same on paper strength without the chance of having a significant portion of the produced hulls with weaker than expected protection due to a bad roll, cheaper to placate Starfleet bean counters a little. and the chance to refit to Covariant Heavy later on.
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No but really. "Good enough" is what wins wars. What succeeds in general in fact. The hard part in this case is that Starfleet Intel dropped the ball and we don't know what Good Enough actually is.
One of the advantages of approval voting is that you can in fact vote both the extremes if you think the middle pick is bad. And it encourages people to actually vote their preference rather than tactical voting for what they think has momentum.
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They won't listen, they want the shiny no matter what they have to tell themselves.
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Or, and hear me out here, they want to improve shield tech without breaking the bank and think we need normal shielding instead of basic. And no I'm not shilling for my own position - I voted for heavy standard.