Because we will have fewer of those weapon fits, which is how finite budgets work.
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Leaning towards standard strength Covariant myself. We'll have to avoid face to face meetings with the review boards for a while until they can suppress their urges to inflict harm on us (*eyes the initial over 100 Cost/Hull*) , but the second and onwards tranches are noticeably cheaper.
Please don't make us pay more for less.
From what I understand that doesn't apply in this case. Notice the total absence of mention of any such rolls as opposed to previously when it was always explicitly stated?
Chargone
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We're actually missing the smallest non-covariant one if I'm reading things right. Which is an utter non-issue as no one sensible was going to pick that one anyway.
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[ ] Type-1 Heavy [36 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 97.25) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 91.25]
The initial run is likely all we'll have for the start of the war, so let's get as many as we still can.
The initial run is likely all we'll have for the start of the war, so let's get as many as we still can.
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This. Light Covarient has everything for me. Advances shield tech, doesnt break the bank, and combines with our armor and maneuver to probably be harder to kill than the canon Enterprise.
Alectai
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If you're willing to accept 27, we might as well go with the Light Covariant, the cost overlay compared to Standard is negligible after the first tranche, and we actually make things better.
We've pushed for a wealthier federation, and the Connie here is already a significant step up compared to the canonical one.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think Light Covariant is actually the way to go here. We have better Cloak detection options, our mobility is two full tiers above the canonical Constitution, and we have a wealthier federation, and being able to afford 1 more SDB-Connie for every set of 5 we construct isn't nothing given how fucking fast these blorbos are.
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It's still better than the Sagarmatha. So we will only be figuratively crucified.
[ ] Heavy Covariant [44 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 116.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 103.25]
The best choice, doubling HP of our cutie of a ship is totally worth it! (Even more so as the Forehead brigade will have a devil off a time killing these ships!) Also i like the nice and round number 44
The best choice, doubling HP of our cutie of a ship is totally worth it! (Even more so as the Forehead brigade will have a devil off a time killing these ships!) Also i like the nice and round number 44
[ ] Standard Covariant [36 Shields] (Cost 79.25 -> 104.75) [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 93.75]
Probably run 1.5 before the war starts, depending on how many are made per tranche. As it stands it looks like we're going to be done with the modules and everything by 2233/2234, and I doubt it'll take much more than 4 years to commission each ship.
Wartime expediency might also see a 'war galaxy' situation unfold and the ships complete without the non-critical modules, putting them in after the war.
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It's not more for less. Even now Covarient is paying more for the same. And in the future this is the same for the same, it's just a relatively lightly shielded well armored ship.
I don't see why it wouldn't? @Sayle is there a prototype effectiveness roll for covariant shields?
One vote decided the aft weapons!
[ ] Type-1 Standard [27 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 84.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 78.75]
Let's keep down costs.
[ ] Type-1 Standard [27 Shields] --- (Cost 79.25 -> 84.75) --- [Second Tranche: 73.25 -> 78.75]
Let's keep down costs.
darkstarling
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Alright. If we're REALLY worried about cost we should go with the tested heavy shielding.
If we're kind of worried we should go for the light covarient.
If we're not we should go for the heavy covarient.
If we're kind of worried we should go for the light covarient.
If we're not we should go for the heavy covarient.
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I am still not getting your conclusion. we are not going to be removing torpedo launchers or phasers to emplace stronger shields. those costs and capabilities are fixed, sunk, well and truely final.
Anyway. It is my personal belief that the right choice is to take the cost for the large Covariants and make it that much harder for the Klingons to get lucky and actually kill one, and for the psychological and political impact of "If you press the Federation enough for them to actually make a warship, it will be faster than your fastest ship, better armed than your most powerful ship, and tougher than your toughest ship. do not push them that far."
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We don't have a budget, per say. What we have is looking at the cost and saying 'is the extra ships we can get with X option more useful than the improvements Y option gives us'.
There is no budget, so no.
But yes, massively so.
Chargone
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What baffling nonsense has people deciding that both the heavy and light covariant options are better than the standard covariant?
Heavy covariant is way too expensive, and if you're skipping out on good defenses to save money, why are you taking light covariant instead of the standard non-covariant option?
I'm honestly baffled how light covariant gets any traction at all.
Heavy covariant is way too expensive, and if you're skipping out on good defenses to save money, why are you taking light covariant instead of the standard non-covariant option?
I'm honestly baffled how light covariant gets any traction at all.
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As a deterrent, the more ridiculous the final ship is, the better. If we can prevent them from discovering how many we actually have, we might be able to delay the conflict for a bit. All they need to know is that they gotta start building the D8 as soon as possible.
That being said I think the standard covariant is probably fine, but I wouldn't be opposed to meme maximum tactical ship.
grimely
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I've been looking versus the canon Connie to get a sense of that, which was 83.6 for the initial production run. So, yes.