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While we're a ways from picking the modules, I figure one thing we should probably prioritise is the medical options. That's useful both in combat and out, it'll give the ship a good emergency response role when it's not on patrol. The Kea's great for general sciences, and the Archer's great for construction/fleet tending, but we haven't really had an emphasis on medical facilities in a while.
I guess it'll be hard to pick between that and advanced/long range sensors if they're an option though, but we're still going to get several slots to fill even if we didn't make the chonkiest of ships.
I guess it'll be hard to pick between that and advanced/long range sensors if they're an option though, but we're still going to get several slots to fill even if we didn't make the chonkiest of ships.
[X] Large Secondary Hull (190,000 Tons) [Canon: Constitution-class] [3 Forward Launchers Max]
You don't actually need all of those to fulfill the roles you've put forward for it, they're all pretty readily covered by an engineering workshop (which as a heavy cruiser this should have to some degree anyways, even if we don't go for a specific module) and fuel.
We don't need dedicated cargo spaces because it'll probably come with 3-4 anyways (like the Kea) and an additional computer core really isn't needed for the kind of fabrication work we'd be carrying out, pre-existing patterns meant just for this ship (and probably whatever long range warp 8 escort gets made), nothing novel like with the Archer.
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I'd say so, yeah- it's a valid ongoing concern of the design, not a complaint about something that's already decided and set in stone. Though obviously, I'm only one person, and have absolutely no authority to enforce my opinions.
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This isn't the Enterprise, it's an abomination stealing the name at best. May as well maximise it at the only thing it's good for and get this over with.
Oh come on, we are not in canon, there is nothing to steal for our new Connie. And perhaps in this Universe, the Enterprise is going to be the Pioneer of Starfleets future Warship defensive doctrine instead of long range exploration!
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Can you not do this?
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Probably does the first time, not so much by the third.
Especially when no one's disagreeing on that front, so much as they have different opinions regarding what is and is not "enough".
Edit: I stand corrected, apparently the number of people disagreeing is bafflingly not actually zero. /edit
And seriously, with the way the results of a given vote so rarely line up with what available information indicated they would be, there's very little point in worrying about it overly much either way.
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I think the main problem here is the project name and brief, if it wasn't called project constitution and we weren't told to make a warship first none of this issue would exist.
The Enterprise/Constitution-class is an incredible symbol for many, and we've seen her primary as an explorer for decades (plus the whole, we don't make warships/not a military from TNG that's influenced many more than have even watched TOS). The idea of making a warship firstly, and one that doesn't hue to her quite frankly Superman but for SciFi level design*, has naturally produced a strong reaction amongst many.
*By this I mean, when people think of superheroes they think of superman, when people think of starships they think of the Enterprise 1701.
The Enterprise/Constitution-class is an incredible symbol for many, and we've seen her primary as an explorer for decades (plus the whole, we don't make warships/not a military from TNG that's influenced many more than have even watched TOS). The idea of making a warship firstly, and one that doesn't hue to her quite frankly Superman but for SciFi level design*, has naturally produced a strong reaction amongst many.
*By this I mean, when people think of superheroes they think of superman, when people think of starships they think of the Enterprise 1701.
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The sheer visceral disgust that last sentence triggers in me is beyond my ability to put in words.
[X] Large Secondary Hull (190,000 Tons) [Canon: Constitution-class] [3 Forward Launchers Max]
Those would all be very nice, but the actual purpose of this ship is not expeditionary warfare, it's to have literally anything that can actually fight a Klingon warship and not get steamrolled. In peacetime its primary role isn't to deliver cargo or respond to civil emergencies, it's to exist so the people who think about killing us and taking our stuff have to worry about us killing them back.
Since we're probably (hopefully) going to take the cruise configuration nacelles, an extra 0.2 sprint will just counter the sprint malus.
That being said we're gonna take 4 engines anyways and I don't think the extra sprint really matters all that much, while being able to mount an extra medical bay or damage control or something is probably more relevant, so.
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Which is frankly nonsensical for any organization that deliberately adopts the trappings of military traditions and discipline, particularly when there is no other organization in place that can be viewed as a standing military.
When James T. Kirk, commanding the Federation starship Enterprise, arrived in orbit of a world, he engaged in diplomatic missions while a ship capable of depopulating the planet orbited overhead. What made this something other than traditional gunboat diplomacy was the fact that he (and the Federation) would actually listen when told 'no' by local authorities. That was the anti-imperialist message Star Trek was sharing with the audience, not a deliberate lack of capability. The people you treat with don't need to have the same power as you to deserve respect.
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We have not "lost volume" by taking the half saucer, it is the same size as the canon Connie saucer, just in a different shape - Plus we have a more compact warp core as well. And even with the underslung hull, we will at worst have slightly less space/tonnage than the canon Connie, which was 190,000 kt vs 180,000.
A cruiser is by definition a ship capable of long ranged independent operations, we will be doing at least raids with this ship even if we never manage to mount an invasion of Klingon space.
Cruiser is a classification used for ocean-based ships of the late 19th and early 20th century, eventually losing all meaning by the late 20th century. It has very little bearing on what a ship classified as "cruiser" needs to do in the 23rd.
I mean, our latest light cruiser is in fact a glorified fabrication plant with a cargo pod and warp drive strapped to it.
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It needs some degree of independent operational capability, yeah. This thing is going to be noticeably faster than every other ship we have and we're going to want it everywhere it can possibly be at once- it's going to be zipping around putting out fires with no guarantee of resupply or repair stations being available, and that's without considering that it'll probably need to operate in Klingon space with limited support if we ever want to mount counterattacks. Exactly how much capability it needs is certainly up for debate, but it definitely needs some.
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The weight numbers are with 2 nacelles already included, right? Do we know how much 4 nacelles would weigh?
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We don't, I'm afraid.
And Star Trek is the age of sail/age of steam in space. We're not operating by Cold War definition (though even then, several planned Royal Navy guided weapons cruiser designs would have a significant ability to operate independently including workshop and helicopter capabilities).
Aren't we? It seems pretty clear that we use cruiser to mean any ship that's kind of big, the same way that (some) 21st century navies do. Ships like the Archer or the Kea would not be considered cruisers by any 19th or 20th century power, or even by 21st century navies. If anything, Starfleet has an even broader definition of cruiser than we do on 21st century Earth.