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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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kinglugia said:
Not sure if Joll has completed his Journeyman Trials tho. Would be awkward if he's still a Journeyman.
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With Yorri's insane standards? He was probably journeying for decades before Fjolla finished her apprenticeship. Of course, that assumes Yorri is consistently crazy with his standards.
But at 350 years old, with a teacher of Yorri's calibre (and sniffer), i doubt he's anything less than a master.
 
Alratan said:
Assuming that Yorri isn't too radical for the rules...
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Nah. Yorri has odd teaching methods, but he wouldn't break the strictures like that. Joll's accident happened while travelling with Yorri, which is why he brought him to the nearest hold where he knew he could get some help (Kraka Drakk).
soulcake said:
"Did a bit of exploring, Joll came back from his Journeyman's trial, so I started teaching the boy what he was ready to learn,"
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soulcake said:
Gave him time to teach Joll he supposed, he wasn't planning on returning so soon but fate forced his hand.
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I dug up the quotes: Joll was studying for his mastery at the time.
 
IronFist said:
Nah. Yorri has odd teaching methods, but he wouldn't break the strictures like that. Joll's accident happened while travelling with Yorri, which is why he brought him to the nearest hold where he knew he could get some help (Kraka Drakk).


I dug up the quotes: Joll was studying for his mastery at the time.
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Now I wonder what Joll's masterwork would be. Perhaps a pair of Forged Limbs that somehow creates a set effect with his other gear? Would this even be possible, @soulcake?

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CuriousRaptor said:
It was referenced already, it was our gift giving. Yorri said it was a "Weird master work." And yes Yorri called it weird.
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I was under the impression that that was what caused Yorri to declare Snorri's journeying as complete. I was asking about Snorri's analogue to Griffonfriend, Fjolla's staff and Snerra's anvil.
Toymaking at that scale fits as a first masterwork (a wierd one, suitable for peaceful times) but it doesn't really cut it when it comes to proving Snorri is ready for the deeper secrets (imo)
 
IronFist said:
I was under the impression that that was what caused Yorri to declare Snorri's journeying as complete. I was asking about Snorri's analogue to Griffonfriend, Fjolla's staff and Snerra's anvil.
Toymaking at that scale fits as a first masterwork (a wierd one, suitable for peaceful times) but it doesn't really cut it when it comes to proving Snorri is ready for the deeper secrets (imo)
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pretty sure it was though, since it was the point where he got his first big name.
 
Here is the scene from Turn 33, @IronFist. Yorri has always been, Odd... And do keep in mind that the toys Snorri makes have Runes on them, so that would have been hundreds of Runes in barely two months, so it is still very impressive. Also Yorri's judgement is Yorri's. He let Snorri out in the wild after a bare two decades as an Apprentice. Now, Snorri was clearly not crippled by Yorri's Yorriness, as indicated by [REDACTED], but that doesn't mean that Yorri's standards are not weird.

soulcake said:
The Journeyman's piece is the last true official and standardized ritual a Runesmith goes through to become a Master in the eyes of their peers. The Masterwork is meant to show that the Runesmith is a Master in the eyes of their Master, and prove themselves worthy for that which the Master has kept from them even now. Unlike the Journeyman's Trial it isn't a question of if, it is a question of when. It may take decades, more often centuries, but barring the tragedy of either one dying before that knowledge can be passed on, it is meant to be done. Such is the oath the Master takes, the one you took when taking them on all those centuries ago. They would learn all you had to teach them, even if it means centuries of waiting for proof, formal or informal.

You recall that Yorri had unceremoniously thumped you on the head the morning after you gave all those toys away and then dragged you off to learn the rest of the Runes he believed you ready for.

"An unorthodox way of showing it, but then again who am I to judge?" he told you.
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I'm still confused about how the 2 decade apprenticeship would have been handled by Angkra Twenty-Loops.
 
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Whenyouseeyou said:
So guys how much have we derailed on warhammer
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northern dwarfs are connected and look to be staying that way, underways are stronger than otherwise would be, but have yet to be truly tested, chaos dwarfs aren't nearly so big of a thing, but are instead more of a shadowy cult issue and thereby might end up being even more dangerous than otherwise due to insidious nature of the threat, though their god is a shattered wreck of its initial form, kholek suneater is dead, so that's pretty fancy. Griffons have an intelligent version now, so that's pretty fancy, unsure of long term effects of such, but dedicated air force allied to the karaz ankor should mean easier connections between holds and easier battles.
 
Whenyouseeyou said:
so we are very strong right now
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Its the golden age, both the dwarfs and the high elves are building up to the peak of their power. So id say, yes.
jjffjhjf said:
northern dwarfs are connected and look to be staying that way, underways are stronger than otherwise would be, but have yet to be truly tested, chaos dwarfs aren't nearly so big of a thing, but are instead more of a shadowy cult issue and thereby might end up being even more dangerous than otherwise due to insidious nature of the threat, though their god is a shattered wreck of its initial form, kholek suneater is dead, so that's pretty fancy. Griffons have an intelligent version now, so that's pretty fancy, unsure of long term effects of such, but dedicated air force allied to the karaz ankor should mean easier connections between holds and easier battles.
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More insidious, but probably less dangerous. They have no strongholds, and their backer is crippled. Their nature as a cult means there are ways to fight them without paying the butchers' bill. There are defences that can be applied.
And with them being outed to yet another region, their absolute need for secrecy will allow them down even further
 
IronFist said:
I was under the impression that that was what caused Yorri to declare Snorri's journeying as complete. I was asking about Snorri's analogue to Griffonfriend, Fjolla's staff and Snerra's anvil.
Toymaking at that scale fits as a first masterwork (a wierd one, suitable for peaceful times) but it doesn't really cut it when it comes to proving Snorri is ready for the deeper secrets (imo)
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Those other guys are right. The gift spree became Snorri's Master Work 2: Work Master, not that he planned for it to end up that way, and we don't know what he did to cap off his journey. The bit where he reminisces about it is set in a context where he's thinking about his students' second masterworks, so they're pretty clearly meant to be equivalent.

(It'd also be really awkward if Snorri did earn his giftgiver title just as he became a master, because then those people who received toys from him as children and accompanied him to kraka drakk as adults would have been like 400 years old at the start of the quest, and the population of drakk at the time of founding was noted to be mostly people who weren't longbeards yet.)
 
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