I remember when this quest started. The Internet hadn't been invented yet, so we had to mail all our posts to each other. As you can imagine, discussion took quite a while. Sorting out Sabrina's wish was the work of a generation, and the Asunaro arc was especially hectic as many of our eldest members were passing their accounts down to their children or grandchildren...
*shakes cane* back in my day kids would stay off my yard!
 
Here's a pretty basic morning vote.

[X] Wake up, do your morning routine.
-[X] Check if Kyouko showed up in the night - if she did, wake her up with breakfast, and fill her in on your Monday hunt plan.
--[X] If she didn't, let her sleep instead of waking her up with Radio Mitakihara.
-[X] Set up an IRC client on your phone, along with any other apps that seem important.
--[X] See if there are any popular apps that you don't recognize as "belonging" in 2011.

[X] Meet with Homura and a Sayaklone, and head over to Ishinomaki.
-[x] Ask Homura if she wants to come to Tokyo.

[x] During the trip:
-[X] Check with the University Group about the Tome group.
-[x] Try to schedule a meeting in Hozuki with Tsubaki Mikoto for Thursday or Friday.
-[x] Contact everyone who's planning on coming on the Constellation delegation to Tokyo, and make sure they're all ready to meet up in Fukushima by 1 PM, so you can pick them up and fly over to Tokyo by 2 PM.
--[x] While contacting Asunaro, let Niko know that there's something you'd like to discuss with her where a certain cabbit can't overhear it. (Dewitching talk + Niko's help re-embodying the Souju's victims)

====This is as much as I can see a single update covering, everything past this will be for the update after next. ====

[ ] Meet with the Ishinomaki group, provide cleanses and reiterate that your offer of a free Clear Seed remains.
-[ ] Fill them in on Constellation forming and your take-down of the Iowa Group.
--[ ] Let Homura give her pitch, if the situation seems appropriate spring off of that to potentially recruit Ishinomaki for Walpurgisnacht directly.
---[ ] What does Ishinomaki actually, uh, want? You can offer cash, but you imagine that Yuuki can put arbitrary amounts into a bank account, and you're not *selling* cleansing, you're giving it away for free.

To-do later that both of these vote don't cover:
- Through Nadia, get in touch with the Murasaki Shrine Maidens in Kyoto and schedule a meeting for Tuesday.
- Checking to see if Nadia or the Fukushima Mercenaries have any info on the Niigata Group.
- Chatting with #milesgloriosus and #nyantokanyaru
- Anything at all to do with Tokyo

Sounds pretty good to me.

My major input in terms of scheduling is that I'd liiiike to score a bit of time alone with Sayaka and a convenient witch on Monday. And because we're talking with MadoHito about powers at lunch that day, it would be convenient timed if we could do it before school.

What I have to say to her boils down to, "I don't like that you feel like you owe other people in our friend group because it creates an unequal dynamic, but at the same time that's pretty much who you are and you're pretty cool, so what I've been trying to do is meet you in the middle by giving you ways to help -- but there's ways you can help and then there are ways you want to help and the one feels way better than the other. Come solo this witch as a demonstration that you can be helping out the way you've envisioned the whole time and let's chat about how you might be able to help Hito in a way you'd want to be part of."
 
Thinking about it, I do not remember the experience of getting to like Oriko and Kirika. I remember starting off terrified of and frustrated by them, and I know Kirika is our best buddy now, but I don't remember the transition.

I think it coincides with Kirika giving us advice on Mami. Which IIRC comes after the Sendai fight(?) where we bring Kirika along to help.

Kirika: GO FORTH AND SIEZE YOUR OJOU!

....maybe I should re-read the story and make notes
 
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I've just been thinking a little bit on the whole communication thingo that we talked about, and I couldn't help but think... perhaps we should pull Madoka aside to have some briefing? I feel like she's been kept in the dark regarding a lot of information that ties directly to her, and I don't think that's fair to her. She should be given a choice to know.

At the very least, maybe we should pop the Witch Bomb off on her; if nothing else that would be even more incentive against contracting.
 
At the very least, maybe we should pop the Witch Bomb off on her; if nothing else that would be even more incentive against contracting.
I'd worry that Witchbombing Madoka would make her more likely to contract in order to fix that situation like she did at the end of the original series.

That said, I agree with the feeling that we have been neglecting Madoka and our relationship with her. And she's been the worst victim of Sabrina's overbearing tendency to manage people. Part of that is us trying not to trample on Homura's feelings and traumas, and so many of those traumas being related to Madoka leaves us feeling unsure of the right thing to do. But another part of it is our tendency to just run with our impressions of people from the show and not dig deeper until we have some sort of epiphany about it.

What I'd really like is to sit down with Madoka one on one, where she won't have to worry about the feelings of anyone else in the room and have a good long talk with her about how she's been feeling about everything that's been going on. She's got a huge amount going on in her head that we haven't been talking to her about at all. I'd like to give her as much information as we can, including and especially the fact that we're holding back information because just knowing it is hurtful to people, including her and her friends.

I'd like to give her our honest assessment of the current situation, where we think we've got a handle on things and where we're weak. I'd especially like to emphasize that we are not lacking magical firepower at all, and that in a fight we're regularly holding back to avoid collateral damage like not accidentally igniting the atmosphere. And that we've been treating Social like the final boss it is. Give her the whole run down of the social dynamics of the local magical girl population and ask her what she thinks we should do. Because Madoka is a considerate, thoughtful person who's good at picking up on subtle cues, and could probably give us a lot of insight into where we've been screwing up. I'd like to run the Ono situation by her, as one example where I'm honestly still confused about everything that happened there, but I'd expect Madoka to pick up on something obvious we've overlooked.

And I'd like to admit that we've been behaving the way we have toward her because we've been worried about making her feel useful out of fear that she'll contract in order to be able to contribute like Sayaka did.

We can be emotionally honest with Madoka without dropping all the infobombs on her, and I expect that emotional honesty to help a lot. Just getting a good sense of where she is in her head and how she's feeling about the whole situation will be a huge deal for us being able to better address the areas she's been agonizing over. And opening up lines of communication will make her a lot more likely to talk to us.

Speaking of which, we should ask what Kyubey's been saying to her behind our backs. It's pretty obvious Kyubey hasn't been anywhere near us lately, but he slipped in to pounce on Sayaka in a moment of weakness, and it feels obvious to me he's been taking every opportunity when Homura's been away from her stalker duties to work on her.
 
I'd worry that Witchbombing Madoka would make her more likely to contract in order to fix that situation like she did at the end of the original series.

That said, I agree with the feeling that we have been neglecting Madoka and our relationship with her. And she's been the worst victim of Sabrina's overbearing tendency to manage people. Part of that is us trying not to trample on Homura's feelings and traumas, and so many of those traumas being related to Madoka leaves us feeling unsure of the right thing to do. But another part of it is our tendency to just run with our impressions of people from the show and not dig deeper until we have some sort of epiphany about it.

What I'd really like is to sit down with Madoka one on one, where she won't have to worry about the feelings of anyone else in the room and have a good long talk with her about how she's been feeling about everything that's been going on. She's got a huge amount going on in her head that we haven't been talking to her about at all. I'd like to give her as much information as we can, including and especially the fact that we're holding back information because just knowing it is hurtful to people, including her and her friends.

I'd like to give her our honest assessment of the current situation, where we think we've got a handle on things and where we're weak. I'd especially like to emphasize that we are not lacking magical firepower at all, and that in a fight we're regularly holding back to avoid collateral damage like not accidentally igniting the atmosphere. And that we've been treating Social like the final boss it is. Give her the whole run down of the social dynamics of the local magical girl population and ask her what she thinks we should do. Because Madoka is a considerate, thoughtful person who's good at picking up on subtle cues, and could probably give us a lot of insight into where we've been screwing up. I'd like to run the Ono situation by her, as one example where I'm honestly still confused about everything that happened there, but I'd expect Madoka to pick up on something obvious we've overlooked.

And I'd like to admit that we've been behaving the way we have toward her because we've been worried about making her feel useful out of fear that she'll contract in order to be able to contribute like Sayaka did.

We can be emotionally honest with Madoka without dropping all the infobombs on her, and I expect that emotional honesty to help a lot. Just getting a good sense of where she is in her head and how she's feeling about the whole situation will be a huge deal for us being able to better address the areas she's been agonizing over. And opening up lines of communication will make her a lot more likely to talk to us.

Speaking of which, we should ask what Kyubey's been saying to her behind our backs. It's pretty obvious Kyubey hasn't been anywhere near us lately, but he slipped in to pounce on Sayaka in a moment of weakness, and it feels obvious to me he's been taking every opportunity when Homura's been away from her stalker duties to work on her.
That is fair. I'm not entirely sure what topic we should brought up or how we should even approach Madoka regarding the...uh... well everything. But it seems we're on the same page regarding that she deserves to know and be included.

Now that you're mentioned it, I'm starting to get paranoid. It should be fairly obvious by now imo that Sabrina is not only antagonistic to KB, but toward the entire stucture that it has. She not only wants to dismantle it but has a realistic shot at messing its operation. I don't think it would just roll over and take that, but I'm not sure what card it's playing now.
 
Now that you're mentioned it, I'm starting to get paranoid. It should be fairly obvious by now imo that Sabrina is not only antagonistic to KB, but toward the entire stucture that it has. She not only wants to dismantle it but has a realistic shot at messing its operation. I don't think it would just roll over and take that, but I'm not sure what card it's playing now.

It just played a card in the form of The Iowa Group, and it's probably running around Tokyo right now setting up 'misunderstandings' for the next attempt. Having angry magical girls crash the meeting would be an excellent way to screw us over if the mind magic doesn't work.
 
It just played a card in the form of The Iowa Group, and it's probably running around Tokyo right now setting up 'misunderstandings' for the next attempt. Having angry magical girls crash the meeting would be an excellent way to screw us over if the mind magic doesn't work.
Iowa hardly feels like a card; we just blew right through them. I don't think that's QB's main plot, perhaps more like a distraction to something else. Sabotaging future relation with Tokyo would be bad though
 
Iowa hardly feels like a card; we just blew right through them. I don't think that's QB's main plot, perhaps more like a distraction to something else. Sabotaging future relation with Tokyo would be bad though
The Incubators have many cards. I doubt they have a main plot, there's lots of ways to attack us and nothing's forcing them to pick one.
 
It wouldn't be hard to spin the confrontation with Iowa in a bad light with half truths. 'Sabrina gathered an army and annihilated a foreign magical girl group for looking at her funny. She can and will come down on anyone she sees as a threat out of nowhere, without warning or provocation.'
Now, Iowa might be infamous enough that veteran magical girls would see through that, but I'm sure there's enough new, isolationist, or even just gullible girls to cause us problems. (If not in a fight, then diplomatically.)
 
Iowa hardly feels like a card; we just blew right through them. I don't think that's QB's main plot, perhaps more like a distraction to something else. Sabotaging future relation with Tokyo would be bad though

Which KB could not have known before he sent them. They were a large, aggressive group that had been raiding and killing other magical girls for years without being challenged or their methods becoming well known. They had military firepower, wide area anti-magic and memory manipulation fields, long range scrying, and multiple stealth based members. The only reason they weren't the massive threat they'd been built up to be was because:

A. Mami managed to be super awesome and back trace their location when she'd never done so before, thus countering their initiative.
B. We were using Homura's previously unheard of and impossible to predict without knowing it exists time stop to travel to them instantly for an ambush and gain said initiative and the element of surprise.
C. We gathered up every friend and ally we'd made across multiple cities (All what, 2-3 dozen of them?) and shuttled them over to help.
D. Every since we figured out our hammerspace we haven't bothered giving KB any more grief and have been storing it instead, resulting in our power steadily increasing far past its previous limits.

Even despite that, with overwhelming numbers, a surprise attack, multiple rare or one of a kind abilities with no earlier precedent, and our enemy uninformed, unprepared, and out of position, I could tell after the fact that organizing a battle plan that got everyone out alive, including the locals and enemies, was not as easy as it looked. If the Iowa Group had managed to have the battle on the ground of their choosing instead of ours, it would not have gone anywhere near as smoothly. Ergo, yes they were a card KB thought was worth playing, which is why we came down on them like a Rod From God.
 
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It just played a card in the form of The Iowa Group, and it's probably running around Tokyo right now setting up 'misunderstandings' for the next attempt. Having angry magical girls crash the meeting would be an excellent way to screw us over if the mind magic doesn't work.
What really scares me about the Qubster situation isn't what he has done or might do, it's the power that he can bring to bear if he loses.

We are like a small child trying to beat an adult at a chess tournament to the death.

If we lose, we die.

If we win, the adult flips the board pulls a gun and reveals that all the attendees where his loyal ninja employees.

The only reason why I don't think we are doomed is because I don't think Firn would do that, but that is hardly an IC reason.
 
B. We were using Homura's previously unheard of and impossible to predict without knowing it exists time stop to travel to them instantly for an ambush and gain said initiative and the element of surprise.
Kyubey has known that Homura has timestop for most of the quest and has proven willing to tell people about it.
The only reason why I don't think we are doomed is because I don't think Firn would do that, but that is hardly an IC reason.
It's IC enough for Sabrina.
 
I mean the thread is Sabrina, so any reason for us is reason for her
True, but just like with the immunity to mind powers I don't think we should count on it. We're probably immune to anything that would change our memories simply because we will always have the story post archives as a perfect point of comparison, but we don't want to get careless and fail to plan for it. And we may not think Kyubey would suddenly go Scion on us and pull out hitherto unseen cosmic powers, just because that would make for an unwinnable game, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't plan for the possibility either.

I'm not entirely convinced we couldn't win that battle either, given the rate Sabrina and her friends are growing in power. We just need to find a way to keep it from cottoning on to the fact that we're a threat worth the energy it would take to swat before we're ready.
 
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We just need to find a way to keep it from cottoning on to the fact that we're a threat worth the energy it would take to swat before we're ready.
Somehow, i'm now just imagining the whole 'bobsled rocket ship designed to nuke the Incubator's homeworld' scene from Homura Tamura, but Infinite Timestop+Grief Ship. Of course, problem is figuring out where the Incubator homeworld actually is or if nuking it would even matter (or if it even still exists, considering an Incubator-level civilization could've probably cannibalized it for materials ages ago)
 
True, but just like with the immunity to mind powers I don't think we should count on it.
Immunity to mind powers doesn't have Word of Firn behind it.

And saying "we should plan for this" is all well and good, but when the first indication we'll get of the Incubators deciding to kill us at all costs is an RKKV impacting the planet or the laws of physics changing to make human biological processes impossible, there's not much we can plan for.

Kyubey is a manipulator. That's the story, that's the genre, that's what it does. We don't know enough about the Incubators to say why it operates that way, but we know that it operates that way and will continue to do so. Just make up a reason that'll satisfy you.
 
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