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I mean we could probably make a sun proof shield, but yeah that does mean its farther. I actually don't want to go to anywhere farther than the moon for now, as the dark side thereof is sufficiently far for us.
 
So, you need to accelerate for about 20 min at 4 gravities to put yourself on a course with a week transit time. After the initial boost you are well within earth's SOI, and moving a ship between planets requires only the ejection burn. We don't need to baby it the whole way.
 
Don't use tricky solutions when simple and easy solutions will work. Just encase it in grief and fly it there at the maximum acceleration Sabrina can handle.

I figure a normal person can handle 100 m/s^2 (they won't like it) face-first. Meguca get another factor of 20 (as in our recent trip). Floating in density-matched grief probably gets another factor of 10. That gets you 20 km/s^2, which allows 5 hour round trip time at constant acceleration to Mars on the other side of the Sun, which is approximately right depending on Mars position. It scales as (d/a)^(1/2) for distance d and acceleration a. Only 16 minutes round trip to Luna, though.

With a witchy gravity ball thingy that applies uniform gravitational fields to make its contents stay with it, arbitrary acceleration works for the same scheme and we can more easily take passengers. Presumably we could not exceed the speed of light by that technique, so between 8 and 40 minutes round trip to Mars, 70 to 110 minutes to Jupiter(Europa), 2.4 to 2.9 hours to Saturn(Titan) and 5 to 28 minutes to Venus. Plus however long for the witchy gravity ball.

Anyway, whenever we actually want to do this, none of the above destinations add much to the time cost of setting up an extraterrestrial base with some functional purpose in the first place. However, if Yuki's building-to-building connections are limited to the speed of light, anything beyond Luna will be somewhat inconvenient for the resulting commute.
Torgamous said:
All boats are easily acquired.
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Yarrr.
 
Yeah if you can leave while its heading there you can return before it arrives, I don't know why people aren't noticing that.
 
JIMI94 said:
Yeah if you can leave while its heading there you can return before it arrives, I don't know why people aren't noticing that.
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The idea with the boat is that Yuki claims it, we push it, it floats to its destination, then we use Yuki to teleport into her boat and catch it. We need the boat there for that. That may take more calendar time than flying directly somewhere with constant acceleration, but it'll take less of our personal time.
 
[X] Wrap up the meeting and go home.
-[X] If Nagisa is still with everyone, head straight to her as quickly as safe.
-[X] If Nagisa has left, buy that smartphone, see if that homework session is still on, work on mind protecting enchantments, and covertly book a restaurant for tomorrow's date.

TortugaGreen said:
I mean if the moonbase project works out we totally could just start setting up our organizational infrastructure there. Between Yuki's (it was yuki with the building ability) skipping the difficulty of having to get to the moon for everything and with everything and Sayaka's infinite manpower works we could probably make quite a large facility that's completely secure from basically everything that isn't another equally sized magical girl organization with useful powers for getting to the moon but is still easily accessible from everywhere Yuki has a building - a large area given current plans.
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Interestingly it would be possible to transfer mundane people to the moon to provide a workforce. That would allow us to circumvent the single most difficult part of space travel, and begin establishing a moon infrastructure. With the side benefit of allow us pretty solid control over those at the moon base (since they would be dependent on magical girls for travel back to earth). Would allow so some insurance of the masquerade for as long as we need to keep that up.

Probably the faster resource to exploit for money would be mining tritium off the surface of the moon. Small amounts should be worth large amounts of money. $30,000 per gram or thereabouts...
 
Torgamous said:
The idea with the boat is that Yuki claims it, we push it, it floats to its destination, then we use Yuki to teleport into her boat and catch it. We need the boat there for that. That may take more calendar time than flying directly somewhere with constant acceleration, but it'll take less of our personal time.
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Its only one guy who doesn't understand "landing".
Elder Haman said:
Would allow so some insurance of the masquerade for as long as we need to keep that up.
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QB is plenty of insurance. We don't really need to worry about the damage a single mundane person could cause.
Elder Haman said:
tritium
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I don't think so. There's isn't a massive desire for tritium. The only people who use it are fusion researchers.
 
Mossconfig said:
I don't think so. There's isn't a massive desire for tritium. The only people who use it are fusion researchers.
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Uhhh..... that's not true, tritium is used for several things. The most commonly sense in the commercial sense is radioluminescent lighting. Which would probably increase in usage if the cost was lower.

And clearly there is a large demand as shown by it's cost. Sure the price will fall as the supply increases, but the implication of $30,000 a gram is that there is a big demand for it.

Of course, you could argue that demand is extremely inelastic, and that any increase in supply will result in a large decrease in price, but considering that current uses are extremely limited because of the price, it's more likely that as the price falls that suddenly new uses for tritium will become economical. Development of larger and more commonly used atomic batteries are the most obvious new uses case.
 
Torgamous said:
The idea with the boat is that Yuki claims it, we push it, it floats to its destination, then we use Yuki to teleport into her boat and catch it. We need the boat there for that. That may take more calendar time than flying directly somewhere with constant acceleration, but it'll take less of our personal time.
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Ah, I missed that trick. On reflection, I think applying witchy gravity thing to protect the whole base during acceleration is a good idea so that it can be constructed without any special attention to durability under acceleration. Once applied, might as well do the whole trip at nearly speed of light for Mars or closer (<40 min travel).
Elder Haman said:
Probably the faster resource to exploit for money would be mining tritium off the surface of the moon. Small amounts should be worth large amounts of money. $30,000 per gram or thereabouts...
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Successfully selling lots of tritium would be very dependent on masquerade enforcement actions to prevent us from coming to the attention of national governments. It is a major component of modern nuclear weapons.

Actually, we should crash the gem diamond market. Not to make money; breaking De Beers is its own reward.

More seriously, making a million-ton batch of perfectly pure defect-free monocrystalline diamond should be the work of hours. Preslice some of it into standard wafer form factors and find a distributor to sell the things. Should be lots of other uses for the rest. Diamond has such great material properties that it would be used for all kinds of things if it were so available. Heat sinks, heat exchangers, x-ray optics, optical optics, substrates for power electronics, machine tools etc.

Gold should also be easy. Just transmute it, there should be witchy methods to do that which produce a nonmagical product. The bottom would drop out of the market, but gold is useful and people would use it for more things if it were cheap enough.

In the long run, our organization should facilitate other meguca doing this (and tax them) but the above low-effort schemes may be enough to get started.
 
Genial Precis said:
speed of light
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You brought up issues with FTL maneuvers and I'd agree with that. Also, having a non relativistic transfer would mean our base wouldn't be size constrained, and we could abort the transfer at any time during the process without leaving a light speed impactor speeding out of the system.

Transonic combat maneuvering might be something to experiment with though.
 
Mossconfig said:
You brought up issues with FTL maneuvers and I'd agree with that.
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I didn't. I have no idea how any given magic is likely to interact with relativity, and whether it would cause inconvenience to any given scheme. "Just fly there at ludicrous speed" is deliberately simpleminded and predictable, but still fast enough to be convenient. The "throw and catch" scheme is also fine. If we want it to arrive in a week, it needs to coast at 600 km/s. That's fast enough that we would need to support it against the acceleration (witchy gravity or something) in order to do the job quickly (1 min at 10 km/s^2, plus 3 min to decelerate and return to start, for example).

A better "throw and catch" scheme would be to use witchy gravity to instantly accelerate it to 4200 km/s, then teleport to it and catch it by the same method 24 hours later. Time cost of the scheme would be two trances for the witchy gravity. Also the coast phase is slow enough that the rear clock ahead effect is only 17 s, so however the magic interacts with relativity shouldn't cause too much trouble.

A larger object would need an alternative method of reinforcement or else it would be vastly more expensive of Sabrina's time to ship.
 
size limits and acceleration
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I mean, I booted up my ksp RSS install and in order to do a throw and catch style manouver you only need to perform a 4g burn for 20 min. That would be well within the limit of whatever pressure vessel we want to move.

I do think the advantage is that there isn't relativistic debris of we mess up or get called away.
 
Apropos of nothing, I realized that there probably does exist at least one major international institution that's aware of magic: the Swiss Banks.

The Swiss banking tradition extends some three hundred years, which is a long time for all sorts of magical bullshit to show up, and they're in the right position for various magical groups to desire their services at various points in time.
 
Mossconfig said:
We probably should see if anybody else is straddling the masquerade. Maybe there is already a resistance? Maybe there is a worldwide collaborator organization that is convinced QB can do no evil.
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Hmm. Various religious groups probably know some degree of the truth - stories of holy maidens and cruel witches are their stock in trade, and we know that at least in Japan, there's a bunch of magical girls that are mikos.

Some still extant royal lines may still have this information passed on.

The real issue is that with Kyuubey being able and willing to modify both memories and records, there's a huge distinction to be made between "someone in an institution" knowing the truth, and "the institution as an entity" knowing the truth.

I'd say there's a 100% chance that someone relatively high up in the Catholic Church knows about magical girls, but I definitely wouldn't bet on the Pope in particular knowing about them, for example.
 
If I may add to the sending a building to Mars discussion...

Why a boat? Also, do we have confirmation that any sections added to the building will still be controlled by Yuki?

Because my idea is to send up a small shack, have it land, then teleport to it and construct it using earth materials and magic.
 
Angrygenius said:
If I may add to the sending a building to Mars discussion...

Why a boat? Also, do we have confirmation that any sections added to the building will still be controlled by Yuki?

Because my idea is to send up a small shack, have it land, then teleport to it and construct it using earth materials and magic.
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We asked Yuki about transplanting buildings earlier and were told that a building's location is important to its identity. Then she tried claiming the Iowa and made some headway, so there's precedent for her claiming a mobile structure if and only if it's a boat.
 
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