Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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So now there we have three bombs that cause instant grief spiraling:
Lich-Bomb
Witch-Bomb
Headcanon-Bomb
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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If it makes you feel better, Kirika has acknowledged how Sabrina can make like five different hypotheses and plans at the same time.So now there we have three bombs that cause instant grief spiraling:
Lich-Bomb
Witch-Bomb
Headcanon-Bomb
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Mmm, I need to start shitposting harder if I ever want to catch up with Onmur.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I've written almost 1.5 million characters in this quest? Wow.
And I'm definitely shocked that I made the list for most reacted authors, even in last.
Don't regret it at all; it's been nice to see Sabrina wonderderping her way through Madoka Magica.
Not to mention how much I love my favorite versions of Homura, Oriko, and Kirika by far.
SaltyWaffles
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So:
1) Make absolutely certain that Sayaka copies the technique with Kazumi's magic--not only will it be very useful to have in the future, it will also give us some solid data about its capabilities and limitations. We want her to copy it as the same time as Mami traces the magic to its source.
2) We should not have Mami start the trace until we are all on the same page about who is going with us on the strike force, and where exactly we can find each of the ones who are going, because we will want to enter timestop as soon as we get the trace (and Sayaka copies the technique), and only leave timestop when we're as close as we can safely get to the Iowa group and are conducting our attack.
3) Sayaka is either staying to protect Madoka or coming with us, rather than just a clone. Her versatile array of powers is far too valuable to leave behind when we're going up against an experienced, ruthless group of magical girls with potent but unknown powers. In terms of who does stay behind to protect Madoka: Yuma seems like the obvious choice, but we can also probably ask for help from Akemi and Noriko for this. Hell, I'd suggest Oriko for protection detail if I thought Homura would even consider it. Since it isn't an option, bringing Oriko and Kirika along is a fantastic idea, and not just because of the team-building. Oriko's clairvoyance will be invaluable when we're going into a situation with plenty of unknowns, and Kirika is a versatile and powerful antimagic-mage with a melee specialty.
[X] Kaizuki
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Mmm, cat memes, microwaved tea, fursonas, Angels, Madomom, that's been done recently.
Hats are a dying meme...
Another episode of Homura Tamura Midlife Crisis? Eh, maybe a little later.
Eh, fine, maybe this time it's actually going to contribute something meaningful to the thread, just this once.
Kaizuki, how about switching Sayaclone and Sayaprime in your vote so that the real Sayaka stays where she is, protecting Madoka, and Sayaclone comes with us with whatever powers she needs? No, not because shipping Kyouko with a shadow clone is weird. Well, not only because of that. It's just, well, several things. One of them is that we never tested whether clone powers have a definite range where the magic stops working, and Sayaka popping out of existence is not something I'd like Nagisa to see. There are other concerns, but it mainly boils down to this.
Edit: ah, okay, that's what you voted for too... just got confused when you referred to Sayaka coming with us in the next line of vote.
Hats are a dying meme...
Another episode of Homura Tamura Midlife Crisis? Eh, maybe a little later.
Eh, fine, maybe this time it's actually going to contribute something meaningful to the thread, just this once.
Kaizuki, how about switching Sayaclone and Sayaprime in your vote so that the real Sayaka stays where she is, protecting Madoka, and Sayaclone comes with us with whatever powers she needs? No, not because shipping Kyouko with a shadow clone is weird. Well, not only because of that. It's just, well, several things. One of them is that we never tested whether clone powers have a definite range where the magic stops working, and Sayaka popping out of existence is not something I'd like Nagisa to see. There are other concerns, but it mainly boils down to this.
Edit: ah, okay, that's what you voted for too... just got confused when you referred to Sayaka coming with us in the next line of vote.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Ah, about that. Clearly the only explanation is that Sabrina vibrates in one place with such high frequency that she appears not to be moving at all but is actually constantly moving with velocities approaching, mmm, approximately 299790,07 km/s. From her perception, she experiences time a second per second.
That's why she asked Kyubey about that cellular repair magical effect that prevents aging.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
Bleh. Wasn't able to iterate on stuff over the weekend because my brain was busy being attached to a metaphorical freight train hurtling off a cliff. Long, compelling things do not mix well with procrastination and the uncertainty after waiting so long doesn't make it better.
So, I've been able to go over Kaizuki's planning document and so think I nailed down my problem with what's been happening. I think Kaizuki spent several weeks working on a plan, and during this time he didn't get anyone to beta it, so he wouldn't know if it was built on flawed assumptions.
And I think there very much is, in fact, a fundamental flaw in there. I think Kai is treating this like an important talk with our close friends, times where we have a very high amount of information to start with and mostly need good interpretation, instead of treating it like a situation where we have very low information.
This entire quest we've been running on intelligence easy mode, because between our metaknowledge, Homura, Oriko, and long drawn out interaction, we rarely had to proactively push into the business of discovering things, at least on the social side. Now we're at a point where we do, and if we don't do well enough, a lot could explodes in our face.
Essentially, I think we could be getting into the military equivalent of that time a few years ago when we proposed having a talk with Homura and Firn stepped in and said the talk "Would do nothing good, but wouldn't bad in the quest, not just yet" and we all had no idea why that was. Here and now, we may have ways to find out, but only if we use them now.
And instead I think Kai is rushing in, throwing away time that could and should have been spent on shoring up that vulnerability, and really not doing anything to compensate.
So, I've been able to go over Kaizuki's planning document and so think I nailed down my problem with what's been happening. I think Kaizuki spent several weeks working on a plan, and during this time he didn't get anyone to beta it, so he wouldn't know if it was built on flawed assumptions.
And I think there very much is, in fact, a fundamental flaw in there. I think Kai is treating this like an important talk with our close friends, times where we have a very high amount of information to start with and mostly need good interpretation, instead of treating it like a situation where we have very low information.
This entire quest we've been running on intelligence easy mode, because between our metaknowledge, Homura, Oriko, and long drawn out interaction, we rarely had to proactively push into the business of discovering things, at least on the social side. Now we're at a point where we do, and if we don't do well enough, a lot could explodes in our face.
Essentially, I think we could be getting into the military equivalent of that time a few years ago when we proposed having a talk with Homura and Firn stepped in and said the talk "Would do nothing good, but wouldn't bad in the quest, not just yet" and we all had no idea why that was. Here and now, we may have ways to find out, but only if we use them now.
And instead I think Kai is rushing in, throwing away time that could and should have been spent on shoring up that vulnerability, and really not doing anything to compensate.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
I personally don't think it's as bad as that. Preparations for tracing are going to take up some time during which other Gucas might be able to find something. I don't like the haste with which we are throwing ourselves at this even though we have all reason to believe in-universe that they won't be able to cut off the scrying link, only move once they are discovered or think they are about to be.
But eh. I'm not sure we can find enough information to make it zero-risk, so it's more or less a tradeoff. Kaizuki is stacking the vote so that Iowa won't have much chance to move from where they are now, and it's a valid approach, I think.
I mean, I voted for you the previous time, but now, eh, I don't feel like doing it from Doylist perspective. Your vote is very exhaustive in what methods to use to look for information and I can easily imagine it being worth two or three updates worth of infodumps. Kaizuki's vote offers Firnagzen an opportunity to drop some things on us while probably leaving a few of them out for a surprise. Unpleasant surprise, true, but the pacing would suffer grievously otherwise.
To summarize, I do think your vote is good, I just don't feel like it'll be interesting to write and to read due to the real-time format of the quest, though I apologize beforehand for presumption.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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We should be bringing Sayaka with us as it is. We may well need her sheer versatile array of powers, considering that we're going up against a bunch of experienced and ruthless magical girls with unknown powers.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Argument could be made that if Sayaka is gonna be there, then Kyouko definitely should. She's just better at fighting. ( Unless Sayaka is faking. )
Eh, I think Sabrina, Mami, Homura, Kirika and Oriko are already a massive overkill. I'd be surprised if it's even a close thing, and I've still yet to see any possible counter to timestop then gemyank. We are not going to fight them if we can help it, and if they somehow hijack timestop, I don't see how Sayaka ( or anyone ) would be able to help.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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We don't know how many of them there are, or what powers they have. Saying anything is overkill is ridiculous.
And we've already encountered a counter to timestop: anti-magic. And we do know that they likely have an entire area blanketed with anti-magic (or at least warded in a similar manner), which is why Oriko can't see them.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Yeah, but how Sayaka would help against that?
Anti-magic works on, well, every kind of magic.
I think maybe hitting it with another antimagic will cancel it out, but that's why we are bringing Kirika with us.
I realize that there's no upper limit for preparation, but by that logic we should abandon the idea of tracing them here and now and instead call on every favor we have to invite thirty magical girls to the party with us. I'm not against the idea, but it will take time, and people have already voted otherwise, so it's a moot point anyway.
Eh, I'm too tired to have an argument about things I honestly don't disagree with.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Reminder that Sayaka!Prime can switch places with her clones at will. It's part of that powerset.
So... it really doesn't matter whether a clone or the original comes with us, since we can switch to the other configuration in an instant.
So... it really doesn't matter whether a clone or the original comes with us, since we can switch to the other configuration in an instant.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
I was more worried about this part:
Like, it's already weird that her clones work outside Soul Gem range, ( maybe because they are nascent familiars? ) but it doesn't mean the range is unlimited.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Well, at minimum the range is sufficient that Sayaka can run a clone in Mitakihara while she's in Asunaro with no strain. So whatever the range is, "hundreds of kilometers" seems to be the lower bound.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Well, yeah, but we're going to somewhere like three thousand kilometers away. Eh, Sayaka staying with Madoka works for me and is what I was arguing for, before finding out Kaizuki voted for it already, so I don't know what we're about now.
- Location
- Illinois
These are largely valid concerns although I STRONGLY object to the Homura comparison.
That said, that planning document is weeks old now and largely outmoded.
My core ideas have largely moved towards "saturate whatever prepared defenses they might have via Sayaka, Kirika, and anyone else with AM/AOE physical-based powers, then win an open, level fight via having more, better meguca with way, way, way more magic, the ability to just outspend the fuck out of Iowa on every cast, and ideally using Homura's magic for C&C as well as timestop interrupts."
I stand by my vote nonetheless -- others have pretty well covered why. What we -should- do is make an effort to contact whatever non-Iowa locals are in the vicinity of Iowa Group. *They* will most likely have invaluable Intel, possibly be willing to help fight Iowa, and probably would cost us very little to find feat Oriko once we're on site.
Sayaka Prime is coming for a lot of reasons, chiefly that I decided trying to get her to not come personally for this, even if it could be socialed into not shooting ourselves in the foot, would be missing out on basically the biggest chance ever to take her "I'm not doing things" issues out back and double tap them, and also because she has access to at least one power which I believe is both largely AM-resistant and can be overcharged to fuck for use as a siege/suppression weapon.
Redshirt is right about the swapping thing though, and I do have questions about how the clone will work with timestop. Might be some nice synergy there.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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If the example with Homura is a bit too strong, then I'll point to our troubles with Hijiri as a lesser example, and how just the uncertainty over what were, in retrospect, very small changes that Firn made to Asunaro drove a host of problems because we were making assumptions driven by metaknowledge and our preliminary intel rather than asking questions throughout our entire confrontation and involvement with her.
To make it more relevant to here and now, we can't be sure we'd be capable of bringing AOE powers to bear or contacting the locals via the process you describe.
The reason I can think of being antimagic. If their field stretches out over a significant portion of the city they're in, or even wider, then in that moment we don't have AOE powers, or timestop, or clairvoyance, or grief control, or anything like that. We'll have magical girls, sure, but in a manner where all the fancy powers belong to our opponents while our own side is only just as good as the raw skill of the combatants we can bring to bear. Which isn't favorable, to say the least.
And again, that's just one specific example I can think of, but prepared ground equaling a massive scale kill zone for the unprepared interloper is the kind of situation that I want to gather the intel to avoid beforehand, not risk finding out while we're already inside the city.
JIMI94
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It seems that all we have to do to beat antimagic fields is to just keep some magiced grief at the edge of our control radius to warn us when we approach the field, so we don't let homura get touched by it. At that point we can just throw stuff in there and then move away, briefly start time again, and then come back to make further adjustments until the field is gone. Then proceed as normal.
Could use the enchanted grief film to discern the dimensions of the field, and therefore it's center(s). Absolute grief control plus Akemi Homuras「The World」lets you pick apart any other combo if your careful and patient enough.
Could also make a protective shell of solid grief that is transparent to visible light and only pick things up with grief hands to prevent cute little tricks like Oriko played on us.
Further, we could build some tweezers out of scraped up material and use some pully system to fish up meguca (after disabling them) who we want to handle if we can't or don't want to touch the antimagic user. Like a crane and scoop that would pick up the ground around the meguca to prevent direct touching, then raising the while contraption so we don't get too close to either the field or the meguca.
Could use the enchanted grief film to discern the dimensions of the field, and therefore it's center(s). Absolute grief control plus Akemi Homuras「The World」lets you pick apart any other combo if your careful and patient enough.
Could also make a protective shell of solid grief that is transparent to visible light and only pick things up with grief hands to prevent cute little tricks like Oriko played on us.
Further, we could build some tweezers out of scraped up material and use some pully system to fish up meguca (after disabling them) who we want to handle if we can't or don't want to touch the antimagic user. Like a crane and scoop that would pick up the ground around the meguca to prevent direct touching, then raising the while contraption so we don't get too close to either the field or the meguca.
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Torgamous
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Their MO is not that of a group that's at its best in a stronghold. Fukushima strikes from a base because Yuki can fuck up anyone looking to meet them on their ground, Iowa just wanders. Their Thing isn't people fighting them on prepared ground, it's people fighting them at all, so we might as well do it over there where Madoka and Nagisa are not and we've got all our allies with us.
And yes, we should slow down well before reaching their location and fly preceded by a variety of fragile magical effects so we know where to hit the brakes, then determine the limits of any passive defenses and see what that leaves us to work with. Going in planning on being able to walk right up to them would be silly, but we do have to go in.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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*Makes hill with his vote and prepares to die on it*
Will make better post after coffee kickx in.
Will make better post after coffee kickx in.