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My immediate impulse was definitely suit with a navy jacket, but that idea is much better thought out.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Mention that you'd like the Shizuki's help, and that you're able to provide them with services in return.• Discuss Mika and other businessguca.• Most important thing right now is access to accommodations for refugees, and therapists.
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Maybe we should brainstorm a little on what services we can offer them. Best to lead with specifics of what we could do for them before asking for anything in return. Even if this is just an initial meeting to discuss possibilities.

Genial Precis said:
Right, OK. We need a safe grief repository, preferably one that satisfies the Incubators so we don't have to pick a fight just to get that far, in order to dewitch on the largest scale.
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The Incubators will never be satisfied with our plans because we are destabilizing the process of creating energy. Plus we won't let Madoka contract.

Nerevar said:
Or it's tied to Mami's policy of hunting all the familiars in her territory. It could be that in areas where familiar farming is practiced, they tend to get a lot of repeat witches. And since repeat witches would be inherently less dangerous than new ones due to the magical girls being able to learn the witch's tricks, it's one more angle where Mami's making things harder on herself in the name of doing the right thing.

On a darker note, it also means Kyubey is likely contracting a lot more girls like Ono to keep the local witch population up.
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There has never been any evidence that familiars that grow into witches are "repeat" witches. In fact, quite the opposite, the TV witch (the one that almost killed Hitomi via mass suicide) was a familiar of the sweets witch if I remember right.

The most likely way that familiars grow into witches is by partially consuming the souls of the people they eat. So who knows what dewitching would do to a grief seed from them.

We'd have to experiement and find out, and depending on what we learn, familiar seeds will likely end up being the seed repository for Clear Seeds.
 
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Elder Haman said:
There has never been any evidence that familiars that grow into familiars are "repeat" witches. In fact, quite the opposite, the TV witch (the one that almost killed Hitomi via mass suicide) was a familiar of the sweets witch if I remember right.
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I don't recall any evidence of that, and the wiki doesn't mention anything regarding it, either on HN Elly's page or on Charlotte's page.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Excuse me? There absolutely is evidence for that, repeat witches get encountered in the PSP game and are explicitly noted to have come from familiars.
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I'm not familiar with the PSP game, but that doesn't happen in the show.

I'd also never heard that familiars would grow into copies of the witches they came from. Rather I thought grief seeds that hatched became the witch they originally came from.

Dantalion said:
I don't recall any evidence of that, and the wiki doesn't mention anything regarding it, either on HN Elly's page or on Charlotte's page.
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I remember reading it years ago on the wiki, back when the original show was still airing, and the wiki was the source for a bunch of "all there in the manual" info, like withes names. Maybe it was later changed when it was decided to not include it in canon or something?

I might have misremambered the familiar and witch as well, it was a long time ago.
 
Elder Haman said:
I'm not familiar with the PSP game, but that doesn't happen in the show.
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PMAS uses a fair amount of canon material beyond just the original show and movies.

Elder Haman said:
I'd also never heard that familiars would grow into copies of the witches they came from. Rather I thought grief seeds that hatched became the witch they originally came from.
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Both are true. Grief seeds rehatch when filled with grief, and familiars that eat enough people become a copy of their "parent" witch.
 
Elder Haman said:
The Incubators will never be satisfied with our plans because we are destabilizing the process of creating energy. Plus we won't let Madoka contract.
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They get energy from grief, right? So even if she never witches, a meguca who doesn't die of old age eventually nets them more energy, and incubators are definitely not averse to playing the long game. There's some question over just how long a meguca would have to live, but since the amount of grief production is the factor, you can generate grief from magic use and there doesn't seem any compelling reason why meguca in general couldn't agree to use more magic in exchange for the Incubators not interfering in the establishment of a more humane system.
Elder Haman said:
Maybe we should brainstorm a little on what services we can offer them. Best to lead with specifics of what we could do for them before asking for anything in return. Even if this is just an initial meeting to discuss possibilities.
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The sort of things I imagine Sabrina can most easily offer depend on the ability to fence magical labor behind black boxes such as "proprietary process" and "trade secrets". For example, suppose whatsername Rin the healer had a structure so she could receive damaged or worn out steam or gas turbines, heal them, and ship them back. That would be pretty lucrative. I mean the big expensive turbines in electrical power plants.
 
Genial Precis said:
They get energy from grief, right? So even if she never witches, a meguca who doesn't die of old age eventually nets them more energy, and incubators are definitely not averse to playing the long game. There's some question over just how long a meguca would have to live, but since the amount of grief production is the factor, you can generate grief from magic use and there doesn't seem any compelling reason why meguca in general couldn't agree to use more magic in exchange for the Incubators not interfering in the establishment of a more humane system.
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The grief in a grief seed is centuries' worth of standard meguca grief production. We can not guarantee that meguca will live for multiple centuries on average without something happening to their gem, and even if we could, producing more than Earth's pre-Sabrina expected value from now until human extinction doesn't mean we're producing more than Madoka. Remember, Kyuubey was already perfectly willing to sacrifice Earth for a Madoka contract on loop 3, and we've got way more loops than that feeding Madoka's potential now.
 
"And now, if Madoka Kaname sacrifices herself, she could provide several planets'-" *gunfire*

"Apologies for letting that Incubator get to your computer."
 
I think it's also notable that the Incubator didn't, like, fly Madoka to Mars first or something, so it could have its Earth and eat her soul too. The only limitation it's working under other than maximizing energy production that we're explicitly told is that it doesn't lie, but that doesn't mean there aren't others.
 
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