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Firnagzen said:
"Ice cream!" Madoka says happily.

"Ice cream before dinner?" Hitomi asks.

"Ice cream before dinner!" Madoka cheers.

You laugh, pressing a quick kiss to Mami's cheek just because.
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For some reason I read Mami as Madoka.

And for a good two seconds, my mind was a combination of "what the fuck?" and "aw man, Homura's gonna shoot us"
 
artanis00 said:
I'm missing something here. Anyone have an explain?
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That is all. :V
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on May 8, 2019 at 10:50 AM, finished with 90 posts and 6 votes.
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    [x] Discuss Tokyo politics with your cabinet
    -[x] Try to nail down your own position so you can engage with them on your terms. Goals are something like "Improve QoL by increasing stability by obviating resource contention", yes?
    -[x] In particular, is the continued existence of the Tokyo political situation a goal or a non-goal?
    -[x] What information should you focus on obtaining to guide future efforts? Toschimichi's power is obvious, but who should you try to talk to and what scuttlebutt should you go digging for?
    -[x] Observation: The meguca rotation might be so Toshimichi can have time to work on people in isolation.
    [x] TO THE INTERNETS
    -[x] Check back in with #nyantokanyaru to wrap that up.
    -[x] Ask about their local politics. With a grief controller acting as a force multiplier for a Clear Seed, you might want to get one to them sooner rather than later so they can share it around.
    -[x] Also, Mitakihara has infinite cleansing and can accept refugees.
    -[x] Talk Walpy. You are assembling an army. Even if they don't want to fight, it'd be great to have a grief controller with a clear seed to staff the trauma ward.
    -[x] Ask if they know anything about the Iowa group. You're pretty sure they'll be gunning for you and you intend to do unto them before they do unto you.
    [X] Check out the IRCs again
    [x] Discuss the politics of Tokyo!
    -[x] Hitomi and Madoka's thoughts on the matter. Focus on how any possibilities will influence your first meetings. If you have too many ideas focus on Most likely case, Worst Case and Most Dangerous Cause.
    - [X] Also Specifically figure out what you know, and what you DON'T know and what you wish you knew and what you NEED to know. This makes questions to answer that can shape our approach to negotiations and what to look for longer term. The need to know become priority intelligence needs.
    [x] Dinner!
    [x] What do you do afterwards?
    - [x] Check out the IRCs again
    - [x] If the room we go to is Japanese see what THEY think of Tokyo using the questions made above. For groups outside Japan or those that don't deal with Tokyo get a general feel for how the group attached the IRC is in terms of location, general personality (aggressive, friendly etc) and situation (desperate, well off, under attack by rival meguca etc)
    [x] Discuss the politics of Tokyo!
    -[x] Hitomi and Madoka's thoughts on the matter. Focus on how any possibilities will influence your first meetings relative to your goals of future such as clear seed distribution. If you have too many ideas focus on Most likely case, Worst Case and Most Dangerous Cause.
    - [X] Also Specifically figure out what you know, and what you DON'T know and what you wish you knew and what you NEED to know. This makes questions to answer that can shape our approach to negotiations and what to look for longer term. The need to know become priority intelligence needs.
    [x] Dinner!
    [x] What do you do afterwards?
    - [x] Check out the IRCs again
    - [x] With #nyantokanyaru see if we can hash out when and where to meet them. Homura wished to get their help for Walpurgisnacht and they may be able to help act as a clear seed distributor. We can also ask them about what they know of Iowa, with a focus towards previously identified gaps. Be forthright with the facts such as the current experimental nature of clear seeds.
    - [x] If we have time check on #milesgloriosus and see if we can talk to any of the other girls on the server we have yet to meet. General introductions for them, nice, friendly, and honest. Get an idea on how the group as a whole is in terms of situation and disposition (fractured, unified, aggressive, passive etc) We can also see what we can find on the Iowa group to help inform identifying gaps in knowledge on the Iowa group and narrow down on the questions we need to answer.
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Torgamous said:
Yuri is lesbians, Ito Yuri has a boyfriend.

My understanding is that instead of a person being a soul that inhabits a body, the Shinto view is that a person is a synthesis of soul and body. That's all I've managed to get from @AuraTwilight's expansions of the issue and I'm not confident that I even got that much right.
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You're basically right. Shinto doesn't have body-soul dualism even though it acknowledges ghosts and shit. The latter are treated as terrifying eldritch horrors, thus why the trope evolved the way it did in Japanese ghost horror movies. Shinto doesn't even really have an afterlife model or funeral rights because as a culture the Japanese don't really want to think about it and just use Buddhist funeral rites and whatnot.

The concept of dividing a person's body and soul is so against everything the typical Shintoist believes about the natural order that the best Western equivalent is to imagine... Like, I don't even know. Like how a normal western person might react to being told they're a clone?

Now granted, this has faded considerably due to Modern Japan being very Westernized and it's become largely not a big deal, but there's still a visceral, reflexive reaction to it, similar to how a Western atheist might still have a lot of Judeo-Christian elements of their morality and worldview.
 
AuraTwilight said:
The concept of dividing a person's body and soul is so against everything the typical Shintoist believes about the natural order that the best Western equivalent is to imagine... Like, I don't even know. Like how a normal western person might react to being told they're a clone?
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Kinda makes me think of the visceral horror people have to the concept of absolute oblivion after death (I being one of them...)... as if the Soul dies with the Body kind of idea. A sort of existential horror due to the spirit not being linked to anything. Would that be an apt analogy?
 
AuraTwilight said:
You're basically right. Shinto doesn't have body-soul dualism even though it acknowledges ghosts and shit. The latter are treated as terrifying eldritch horrors, thus why the trope evolved the way it did in Japanese ghost horror movies. Shinto doesn't even really have an afterlife model or funeral rights because as a culture the Japanese don't really want to think about it and just use Buddhist funeral rites and whatnot.

The concept of dividing a person's body and soul is so against everything the typical Shintoist believes about the natural order that the best Western equivalent is to imagine... Like, I don't even know. Like how a normal western person might react to being told they're a clone?

Now granted, this has faded considerably due to Modern Japan being very Westernized and it's become largely not a big deal, but there's still a visceral, reflexive reaction to it, similar to how a Western atheist might still have a lot of Judeo-Christian elements of their morality and worldview.
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makes sense, so the litchbomb is essentially a slap in the face to the worldview that you either consciously or subconsciously had your entire life?
makes sense with how tart was so weirdly ecstatic at learning about the litchbomb, it takes on a much different existential and theological framework when viewed from a Christian lense as opposed to a Shinto one.
thanks for the clarification, for the longest time I really didn't understand why the witchbomb was so disturbing to the girls cause I was viewing it from my western lense
 
Cae Lumis said:
Kinda makes me think of the visceral horror people have to the concept of absolute oblivion after death (I being one of them...)... as if the Soul dies with the Body kind of idea. A sort of existential horror due to the spirit not being linked to anything. Would that be an apt analogy?
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Maybe?
Well, not all people.
Atheists mostly don't believe in the afterlife and seem to get by just fine, without mind-crushing existential horror or whatnot.

Of course, that's where transhumanism comes out of the woodworks...
 
Raiseth said:
Atheists mostly don't believe in the afterlife and seem to get by just fine, without mind-crushing existential horror or whatnot.
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I didn't say "most people", I was using "People" in the most generalized sense, though you make a fair point. I guess I could've worded it differently as, "The same visceral horror people who believe in a form of afterlife have about oblivion after death", which would be more accurate. Apologies.
 
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soulsguardian said:
makes sense, so the litchbomb is essentially a slap in the face to the worldview that you either consciously or subconsciously had your entire life?
makes sense with how tart was so weirdly ecstatic at learning about the litchbomb, it takes on a much different existential and theological framework when viewed from a Christian lense as opposed to a Shinto one.
thanks for the clarification, for the longest time I really didn't understand why the witchbomb was so disturbing to the girls cause I was viewing it from my western lense
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As I understand, it's not about their beliefs being false, it's about the contract establishment. Like, body and soul are normally united, and Kyubey separates them when a girl makes a Wish. Like, the closest analogy I can think of, imagine someone scooped your brain out with a spoon and placed it in a jar connected with your body. Reaction times are the same, you're technically not missing anything, but the disgust-terror-indignation-why factor is overwhelming.
 
Combining that latest analogy with what AuraTwilight said about clones:

Imagine they just backed up your memories into an emulator that operates your body as if you still had a brain, and they just incinerated your brain in the process.
 
Madou Sutegobana said:
Combining that latest analogy with what AuraTwilight said about clones:

Imagine they just backed up your memories into an emulator that operates your body as if you still had a brain, and they just incinerated your brain in the process.
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Me: wait wait... if your going to make an EMULATOR of me at least make it have like... super rocket fists!
 
Hm... so, a control of self enchantment hm? We need to put it on a chibi now. No, wait, we're too young to be a mom!
 
Vebyast said:
It occurs to me that Sayaka also chose the nice, comfy floor earlier, leaving only one seat open for Homura - right between Madoka and Hitomi.

We should probably point this out to Homura as evidence that Sayaka is totally on her side.
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Like, can you imagine Homura's reaction? She has our assurance that Sayaka trusts her, we've explained it to her and she understands it intellectually, but the look on her face when she realizes that Sayaka is actively shipping MadoHomu, that'd be an entirely different kettle of fish. (aquariumful of cheering mermaids?)
 
Hunh... I think I have another question to ask Sayaka when the time for the angel/metaknowledge conversation comes, taking from the concept movie.

Ask her if she can read the writing on her ring. It's simple enough that she may not have even thought to mention it after all.
soulsguardian said:
our mom is technically younger than us
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Okay, I'm just going to highlight that this gets even funnier if we're Walpurgisnacht.
 
soulsguardian said:
our mom is technically younger than us
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Torgamous said:
We are two weeks old.
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The Phoenixian said:
Okay, I'm just going to highlight that this gets even funnier if we're Walpurgisnacht.
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What is this silliness, one of our moms is a being existing outside of linear time-space causality and the other is Madokami. :V

They're both older and younger than us, yes, simultaneously, carry on.
 
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