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Refining my earlier vote.

[x] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her being frank and upfront. You'll try to do the same.
[X] You're disgusted and want to make that kind of justice unnecessary. You've got the resources to do things more humanely than her and intend to acquire more.
[X]You want what I have. I want to replicate what I have. Ubiquitous, widespread, cleansing. Widespread enough to risk making Kyubey take more direct action. If he's part of a T4 Kardashev species that could be very bad.
[X]You can make grief seeds last longer, ease their suffering but that doesn't actually solve the prisoner inside them.
[X]According to Kyubey witchification staves off the heat death of the universe with the largest energy yields. You don't buy that though. Probably another half truth.
[X]If the worst happens, if you're slain, the dream must not die with you. Stop taking souls. Work with you to evaluate souls for rebodiment or release into whatever afterlife exists. Free cleansing for life and she gets to be your insurance policy if she can claim you.
 
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To be perfectly honest, I'm still not really comfortable making any sort of moral judgement about the soul stealing

Yes, we want to make it unnecessary, but condemning the actions she's taken up to this point isn't something i want to do, partly because i dont have the same didgust and horror as most of you, but also because it doesn't help right now

I want to avoid any possibility of hostility at this point, at least until we know more
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Anna looked at her new bread-arms and bread-legs.

"I never asked for this."

(Knowing Anna, she could probably still find a way to beat you to death with nothing but an arm made out of bread.)
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She would defeat you by waiting you out and then catching your final attack between her bread hands.

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Again, I don't see willing participants being a large enough percentage to make a difference one way or another.

Maybe we should try asking if these things are even possible before we start demanding them. We know basically nothing about how this works. Can they be released? Would they go to an afterlife or just wander the Earth as restless undead? Can they be restored to life? Will it require research to figure out how? Will they need new bodies? What are we going to do with them once they are?

Something I like about Conjured Blade's vote is that it draws a parallel between us and Riona. A Clear Seed is a girl's soul. We are also using souls "for the greater good" because we don't know what else to do. We want to find a better way. Maybe Riona does, too. Offer to help her find it.
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I understand your worries, but I think this comes down a lot to wording. I'll try doing a couple of edits to see if it reads better.

Redshirt Army said:
@Onmur ?

[X] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her being frank and upfront. You'll try to do the same.
-[X] Don't monologue. Listen to Rionna, give her a chance to expand or explain her perspective.

[X] Explain you're creating a better world.
-[X] Admit Riona's actions as claimed might have been necessary in the past.
-[X] Explain your work and hopes regarding implementing justice, protection, equity and accountability for Magical Girls. (etc.)
--[X] Riona's brand of 'justice' should cease to be necessary.
-[X] Explain free cleansing distribution.
--[X] Clear Seeds, upsides and downsides. Need for a better, moral solution.
-[X] De-Witching.
--[X] You're creating a network to work on it. You hope Riona can help.

[X] You want to work together.
-[X] You are afraid to trust her with a Clear Seed yet, since you don't know her.
--[X] Invite Riona to stick around, free cleansing as long as she stays, get to know each other.
--[X] Ask again that she considers working together.
-[X] Regarding her claims:
--[X] You can't abide her taking any more Souls, for reasons stated; moral, ethical and practical concerns.
--[X] Ask whether she can restore, and if not, release the Souls she's taken, at least those taken by force.
---[X] Part of the standards we want to set are humane treatment.
---[X] Offer alternatives and solutions. Jail, therapy, magically created bodies for those souls, magical research, whatever is necessary. You know that it'll take time.
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[X] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her being frank and upfront. You'll try to do the same.
-[X] Don't monologue. Listen to Rionna, give her a chance to expand or explain her perspective.
-[X] Don't judge what you don't understand. Inquire.

[X] Explain you're creating a better world.
-[X] Admit Riona's actions as claimed might have been necessary in the past.
-[X] Explain your work and hopes regarding implementing justice, protection, equity and accountability for Magical Girls. (etc.)
--[X] Riona's brand of 'justice' should cease to be necessary.
-[X] Explain free cleansing distribution.
--[X] Clear Seeds, upsides and downsides. Need for a better, moral solution.
-[X] De-Witching.
--[X] You're creating a network to work on it. You hope Riona can help.

[X] You want to work together.
-[X] You are afraid to trust her with a Clear Seed yet, since you don't know her.
--[X] Invite Riona to stick around, free cleansing as long as she stays, get to know each other.
--[X] Ask again that she considers working together.
-[X] Regarding her claims:
--[X] You can't abide her taking any more Souls, for reasons stated; moral, ethical and practical concerns.
--[X] Ask whether she can restore, and if not, release the Souls she's taken.
---[X] Part of the standards we want to set are humane treatment, for everyone.
---[X] Offer alternatives and solutions. Jail, therapy, magically created bodies for those souls, magical research, whatever is necessary. You know that it'll take time.
 
Higure said:
Just to let you know, she could be chugging moonshine and it wouldn't be a rules violation.
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Random832 said:
I do remember there being an iteration of the rules where it would be, but that might have been on Spacebattles.
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Raiseth said:
Besides, have you ever heard of Asuka!Quest by TheOneMoiderah?
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Thanks, technical correctness is appreciated. Not trying to censor myself or others, entirely trying to wring meaning out of what is in the story. This includes sensing where the 'edges of the page' are. And see? I was in need of help.

Conjured Blade said:
Cider drinking/flask appearances and what Riona wants.
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We should be understanding Rionna's actions actions along with her words. Every Magical Girl develops major faults. Our skill in adapting correctly, or perhaps rejecting them, is being tested again.

The exact details of her crimes are far less useful than gaining more backstory right here. Grasp for more context, unless QM shakes us away by force.


Firn doesn't use an animation studio to force-feed us cinematic information. The tools of criticism are what we have to learn about her with.
Other girls do not have a social drinking behavior like this, so we need to decide what it means.
I think it has important symbolism.
 
kinigget said:
To be perfectly honest, I'm still not really comfortable making any sort of moral judgement about the soul stealing

Yes, we want to make it unnecessary, but condemning the actions she's taken up to this point isn't something i want to do, partly because i dont have the same didgust and horror as most of you, but also because it doesn't help right now

I want to avoid any possibility of hostility at this point, at least until we know more
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She could have some kind of Silent Hill-esque latent desire for punishment or be testing us. If I had my way we'd be giving her a guilt and retaliation free shot at the Brass ring, because

A. It's the kind of stupid self sacrificingness likely to throw her off balance
B. If she gets our power she will probably have no choice but continuing our legacy from incubators wanting to stamp it out.
C. It incentivize her to stay near us meaning we don't need to give her a clear seed and can work on her.
D. It's a trade proportional in value to her disarming, making her more likely to go for it.
E. Our death is something I presume to be a bad end anyway so what do we have to lose?
 
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HeroCycle said:
Thanks, technical correctness is appreciated. Not trying to censor myself or others, entirely trying to wring meaning out of what is in the story. This includes sensing where the 'edges of the page' are. And see? I was in need of help.



We should be understanding Rionna's actions actions along with her words. Every Magical Girl develops major faults. Our skill in adapting correctly, or perhaps rejecting them, is being tested again.


Firn doesn't use an animation studio to force-feed us cinematic information. The tools of criticism are what we have to learn about her with.
Other girls do not have a social drinking behavior like this, so we need to decide what it means.
I think it has important symbolism.
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Onmur said:
-[X] Don't judge what you don't understand. Inquire.
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Not nearly as strong as I would put it, but becoming more likely to succeed IMHO. I'm thinking she has a negative-expectation feedback loop that has to be breached. "latent desire for punishment" - @Conjured Blade , you are seeing that too?
Doesn't mean we have to approve of slavery. It is wrong.
We need to deal with things piecemeal.
Reduction of harm.
Is that our basic principle so far?
If we can learn enough, we can be Just enough.

The exact details of her crimes are far less useful than gaining more backstory right here. Grasp for more context, unless QM shakes us away by force.
 
HeroCycle said:
Not nearly as strong as I would put it, but becoming more likely to succeed IMHO. I'm thinking she has a negative-expectation feedback loop that has to be breached. "latent desire for punishment" - @Conjured Blade , you are seeing that too?
Doesn't mean we have to approve of slavery. It is wrong.
We need to deal with things piecemeal.
Reduction of harm.
Is that our basic principle so far?
If we can learn enough, we can be Just enough.

The exact details of her crimes are far less useful than gaining more backstory right here. Grasp for more context, unless QM shakes us away by force.
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Considering her need to drink while we ask questions that's probably a metered thing. Her patience isn't limitless.

I don't know about latent desire for punishment/etc but I'm not dismissing the angle completely out of hand.
 
Conjured Blade said:
She could have some kind of Silent Hill-esque latent desire for punishment or be testing us. If I had my way we'd be giving her a guilt and retaliation free shot at the Brass ring
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Eh, what do you mean, exactly?
I mean, I get what "taking a shot at the Brass ring" means, kinda, but your overall meaning eludes me.
 
Raiseth said:
Eh, what do you mean, exactly?
I mean, I get what "taking a shot at the Brass ring" means, kinda, but your overall meaning eludes me.
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I'm talking about her being our insurance policy. Our power is the Brass Ring. If she gets it by acting as our insurance policy, she gets our power with no moral ambiguity or need to look over her shoulder from would be avengers.
 
Conjured Blade said:
I'm talking about her being our insurance policy. Our power is the Brass Ring. If she gets it by acting as our insurance policy, she gets our power with no moral ambiguity or need to look over her shoulder from would be avengers.
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Eh. Leaving everything else aside, how do you propose giving her our powers?
By letting her rip our soul out?..

You know.
I don't think Sabrina particularly liked when Kyubei ripped her soul out of her brain the first time around. Don't see how she'd enjoy it being done to her the second time. Souls are not dirty socks to be thrown everywhere! Do not throw souls!
 
Raiseth said:
Eh. Leaving everything else aside, how do you propose giving her our powers?
By letting her rip our soul out?..

You know.
I don't think Sabrina particularly liked when Kyubei ripped her soul out of her brain the first time around. Don't see how she'd enjoy it being done to her the second time. Souls are not dirty socks to be thrown everywhere! Do not throw souls!
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I'm saying if an enemy has us on the brink of death or she can claim souls shortly after death, she can do so to ensure our powers don't die with us, assuming she has the ability to do so.
 
Conjured Blade said:
I'm saying if an enemy has us on the brink of death or she can claim souls shortly after death, she can do so to ensure our powers don't die with us, assuming she has the ability to do so.
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Ah.
Well, I'm bit iffy with selling our soul, as it were.
Then again, the Quest started with this exact premise, soooo maybe?
 
Conjured Blade said:
I'm saying if an enemy has us on the brink of death or she can claim souls shortly after death, she can do so to ensure our powers don't die with us, assuming she has the ability to do so.
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I have to agree that in that circumstance, it's better than the alternative. But that does seem like a very specific situation to be in, wherein Sabrina is seemingly certain to die but her soul gem is still intact and Riona is close enough to take her soul but unable to do anything to help.
 
Filraen said:
I think you're mixing pronouns here. At least for the rest of the vote you're using you for Sabrina.
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Fair point. Fixed the pronoun mixing.

[x] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her being frank and upfront. You'll try to do the same.
[X] You're disgusted and want to make that kind of justice unnecessary. You've got the resources to do things more humanely than her and intend to acquire more.
[X]Riona wants what you have. You want to replicate what you have. Ubiquitous, widespread, cleansing. Widespread enough to risk making Kyubey take more direct action. If he's part of a T4 Kardashev species that could be very bad.
[X]You can make grief seeds last longer, ease their suffering but that doesn't actually solve the prisoner inside them.
[X]According to Kyubey witchification staves off the heat death of the universe with the largest energy yields. You don't buy that though. Probably another half truth.
[X]If the worst happens, if you're slain, the dream must not die with you. Stop taking souls. Work with you to evaluate souls for rebodiment or release into whatever afterlife exists. Free cleansing for life and she gets to be your insurance policy if she can claim you.

The Narrator said:
I have to agree that in that circumstance, it's better than the alternative. But that does seem like a very specific situation to be in, wherein Sabrina is seemingly certain to die but her soul gem is still intact and Riona is close enough to take her soul but unable to do anything to help.
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Hostile Flechette from Worm with a sniper rifle? Alpha strike from a special circumstances grade drone adversary? I did include shortly after death in the possibilities after all.

Half the point is refuge in audacity grade bribery we're unlikely to need to pay so we can work on her later without needing to give her a clear seed.
 
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Saying she can have our soul when we die is just an incentive to kill us

She doesn't need any more of those than she already has
 
kinigget said:
Saying she can have our soul when we die is just an incentive to kill us

She doesn't need any more of those than she already has
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While that is a failure condition for that plan, the amount of time she would need to spend in our presence prevents her from doing any effective plotting.

Also considering murderers are part of her target profile and her drinking habit, the point is her being able to get it guilt free, no hypocrisy. Killing us would defeat the point.
 
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the thread is moving too fast for me to keep up with now, but from what I've seen earlier, i tend to agree with
[X] Onmur
 
Bored

Riona: Drunk Scottish Guca

Riona on how to save some of the souls: You'll have to glue them back together ... in hell! chugs magical scrumpy
 
You know, there's one interpretation of Riona that I think would make a pretty cool character.

She travels across the world, following rumours of powerful meguca, then deal with them when they turn out to be evil? That sounds like a roundabout way to say, Meguca Hunter.

Find rumours about meguca (which turn out to be evil), track them down halfway across the world, judge them, appropriately deal with them depending on their worth. Also build up home defenses in the meanwhile.

Like, man, I'd like a game like that. :p

Right now? She would be at stage 3: Bait the 99.9% Evil Griefbender (going by empirical evidence) into showing her true intentions. First step: talk shit, make herself sound dangerous, give reasons for Evil Griefbender to fear and self-justify attacking Riona.

If we attack her due to that, after talking for just five or so minutes? That might be just what Riona expects. Her way to prove we're one of the evil ones, the ones she needs to put down.



... Now I want an 'evil meguca' hunting game.

'Evil Meguca' Hunter/Meguca Detective Quest.

Find rumours about powerful meguca, follow their trails, hunt them down, learn about them, judge them... help them, leave them be, or take matter into your own hands, as you believe is right.

Then go back home and deal with whatever shit happened while you were away.

Intermission: Improve home defense, find more rumours, recruit students, train, etc...
 
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