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Muramasa said:
Megumi was pretty bad. Not that we handled that one all that well either... We should check up on her, even if she hates our guts.
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Hey, at least we remember her name.

Some times.

Poor Megane. :V

:thonk: Megane, Meganeko? We should gift her some cat ears to make up for our bad social. I'm sure that'll solve everything.



blast flame said:
Don't mention Homura, time travel or Madoka. Don't mention our memories of future events or specific people. Maybe don't mention theories about us potentially being a witch.

Otherwise give a rundown of how we came to in the alley with no personal memories, how we had a complete understanding of the magical girl system and lots of science/languages/etc in our head. Mention the wish product hypothesis but stress it's just a hypothesis.

Ensure she knows the origin of witches without being condescending about it because she almost certainly does.

Show her our clear seed. Talk about it's dual purposes as a super-high capacity grief storage medium and potential first step to reversing witching.

Ask what she sees in our soul.
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I think, before mentioning any hypothesis of any sort, we should ask not only what she sees in us, but what her purpose is. Why is she visiting? Why does she apparently want infinite cleansing powers? It sounds there's more to it than not needing to fight witches anymore.

I'd like to know what Riona's purpose is, before we decide how much we're willing to share, how much trust we're gonna put on her.

We should give her the commonly known details, like amnesia and weird knowledge and waking up half dead; all that stuff KB could tell her. But let's hold off on everything else until we know what Riona's after?

EDIT: Also, we need to ask Riona to check Oriko at some point. At least ask about wish rejection, first.
 
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First of all check we should check her opinion on kyubey and her knowledge on lich/witchbombs*. Then her intentions but that can wait until we answer her first question.

* I'm aware she probly knows them considering her power but just to be sure.

[] Ask about her opinon on Kyubey and knowledge of lichbomb/witchbomb
[] Tell about your theory about being born from a wish: no memory past certain point, specific knowledge about the magical girl system, languages, science, etc. Don't mention secrets about Homura and Madoka.
-[] If useful, mention you've met a girl made from a wish before. She also became a magical girl.
[] Ask what her intentions are. You doubt Rionna traveled half the world to Mitakihara just to ask you that question, seeing how territorial magical girls tend to be.


I'm not sure about the line about Hijiri.
 
Well, that went well enough. Good that we have a better sample size of Riona's social so we can extrapolate a bit more than just "rude". And she's willing to tolerate a touch of our natural waffliness about not just spitting out everything we know, and our continual delays. That means we can put up with the rudeness, yeah. It's reading more and more like "I've had a long fuckin' day, long fuckin' flight, I want some answers and also a bed or somethin', ugh" and less like deliberately snubbing us, specifically. So that's nice. Means more "us politely maintaining our boundaries" and less of us having to preemptively draw a line in the sand to avoid getting taken advantage of, I think.

Also, I'm entertained by the flask. While she might have bothered to checked luggage it (looked like she only has one luggage, though, which was probably carry on), it seems far more like she literally just waltzed through security, with a metal flask filled with probably-more-than-3-oz of liquid, without so much as the Scottish or Japanese's equivalent of the TSA's by-your-leave. I mean, yes, magic or pocket dimensions, but still.

... as someone who carries a dense brick of metal crafting materials and power cords through TSA and has their stuff stopped for checking every time, even on domestic flights, I'm invested in noticing airport security protocols, hush.

Anyway, reckon we should start by mentioning the commonly known facts (since Riona's getting impatient that we haven't actually answered anything from the airport to now), and then go and ask her about her thoughts on Kyubey and her knowledge of the system, and her intent, then tailor further information.

Mnyeh.
 
Firnagzen said:
"Is... is this a conversation I should be in?" she asks, hesitantly.

Riona's eyes snap from the construct to you.

"I..." you trail off, grimacing. The answer is yes.
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I don't understand this bit. Mami asks if she should be in this conversation. Sabrina's thoughts indicate yes, Mami should be in this conversation. Then Mami immediately excuses herself from the conversation. Am I missing something?
 
new goal -
Be Riona's friend. I feel like she doesn't have many. I mean if she was bad at social before being a MG (which might explain her powers if she wished to understand people .... she got the ability to read their souls) then being an MG just gave her more reasons to avoid others due to resource competition.

As for the talk I think we should in a general order
- Probe for Witchbomb, Lichbomb etc
- Explain our own theories on how soul
- Explain our goals with clear seeds
-- Show Hilgrade
- Ask about our soul
-- Ask about wish rejection
- Ask what SHE wants from us.
 
By the way:

[] Send some Grief with Mami, so she knows you're alright.

It's not just in case Riona randomly turns violent! We've done Grief hugs to comfort Mami in the past, while inside a Privacy Sphere. Being cut off from the conversation like this must hurt, so it'd be nice to let Mami know we're still with her.

So, I think we're gonna need a list to topics to talk and not to talk with Riona. A nice, comprehensive list, easy to keep track of?



Protovotecrafting:

[] Share the commonly known details: Wake up half dead, amnesia, scattered knowledge including knowledge of the system, Wish, what your powers can do.

Safe enough to share.

[] Mention KB saying your level of karma being disproportionate to your experiences (?) and segue into asking Riona for her opinion of KB.

Not certain we want to share this, but maybe?

[] Hint at the bombs, find if confirm Riona's Lich/Witchbombed, then explain Mami's choice to not learn some things.

Get that out of the way, make sure Riona will be discreet. :/

Hmmm... From there...

[] Related, share your hopes for de-Witching; show Hildegarde. Let Riona know this is one of the things you hope she can help with.
[] But what does she want? Inquire, try to find Riona's purposes.

And I think at that point I'd like to:

[] Reiterate you've only got unconfirmed ideas about your origins. Ask what she sees in you, so you can better answer her question.
[] Cut to voting.


TL;DR:

Tell her about amnesia and such, mention KB's bit about karma and experiences and ask for her opinion on KB; confirm witchbomb status, explain she should be discreet around Mami and talk about de-Witching. But de-Witching is our goal, ask about hers.

Find out what Riona wants. We should decide how much to share about our hypothesis after that.

We might want to be blunt, too. We can straight up tell her we can't share all we know or thought about until we know we can trust her. Bluntly.
 
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Yes, let's get the topic of Kyuubey up first. We could ask her if she has her own form of privacy enchantment, and ask how she gets by without one as a way to make the witchbomb test flow into place. Up next? Finish our replies, find out what a soul looks like, vs what our soul looks like. Then we get to the root of it. What is her plan? Orrr.... we could go for silly drama, and start with the big plan, and return to KB in a moment.
Filraen said:
First of all check we should check her opinion on kyubey and her knowledge on lich/witchbombs*. Then her intentions but that can wait until we answer her first question.

* I'm aware she probly knows them considering her power but just to be sure.

[] Ask about her opinon on Kyubey and knowledge of lichbomb/witchbomb
[] Tell about your theory about being born from a wish: no memory past certain point, specific knowledge about the magical girl system, languages, science, etc. Don't mention secrets about Homura and Madoka.
-[] If useful, mention you've met a girl made from a wish before. She also became a magical girl.
[] Ask what her intentions are. You doubt Rionna traveled half the world to Mitakihara just to ask you that question, seeing how territorial magical girls tend to be.


I'm not sure about the line about Hijiri.
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Also yes! she may not think we know about such, or she might be interested in that story.

Seeing her agree to the privacy field, she must be observing our "intent" towards her with a boost from her enchantment. So, she is getting by some points of negotiation using shortcuts. If that is the case, working our end of the conversation from big items, back down to details should be easier. Once she knows how we feel about what we are about to say, she can decide if she wants to resist or not.

Therefore, big declarations up front.

[] we have a reason to want her here
[] what is her reason to seek us?
[] can we work together?
[] Kyuubey talk
[] ask about regular souls / our soul
-[] re Hijiri
[] witchbomb / protect innocents
[] Our history
[] her history
[] discuss powers
[] why we infosec, and what we expect.
[] return to Mami
[] telepathy Niko
[] Ask how late she wants to talk tonight
[] We have people to gather, that want to meet her.
[] write out a few bilingual notes for her to use with the hotel staff
-[] and an address for her to meet us at
-[] and imply that she could use the hotel's business card to communicate with the taxi drivers her destination.
 
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Raiseth said:
Too late. :V

[Q] Take a swig from Riona's flask without asking her.
-[Q] Btw, is it Riona or Rionna? Eh, whatever, not important.
-[Q] Start burping your explanation.
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Amateur!

[J] Don't worry Mami, I won't get bored of you no matter how useless and worthless you are! I'm not sick at all of your mental fragility and uselessness!
-[J] So, you, Ri-whatever, just so we're clear, I can totally shatter your gem right now and you couldn't stop me.
--[J] I could also just shove all this Grief into your Gem and Witch you instantly! Doesn't that sound like an interesting experiment?
---[J] Now, be my living puppet and use your soul magic for whatever the hell I want, or Witch out.
 
Kai Merah said:
Amateur!

[J] Don't worry Mami, I won't get bored of you no matter how useless and worthless you are! I'm not sick at all of your mental fragility and uselessness!
-[J] So, you, Ri-whatever, just so we're clear, I can totally shatter your gem right now and you couldn't stop me.
--[J] I could also just shove all this Grief into your Gem and Witch you instantly! Doesn't that sound like an interesting experiment?
---[J] Now, be my living puppet and use your soul magic for whatever the hell I want, or Witch out.
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Don't be daft.

[Q] Tell Mami you find her mental issues endearing. She's like a big crying cuddly bear you want to hu and make her feel better.

[Q] Much later, kick yourself over and over for saying dumb things.
 
I agree we need to answer her question before we start grilling her for more info. From a person who is annoyed by social, she's already waited for our answer, invited us into her room, and let us set up unknown magic (which we claim is a privacy construct), which are all a fairly large concession. So before anything else, we should at the very least give her some sort of answer.
 
Diomedon said:
I agree we need to answer her question before we start grilling her for more info. From a person who is annoyed by social, she's already waited for our answer, invited us into her room, and let us set up unknown magic (which we claim is a privacy construct), which are all a fairly large concession. So before anything else, we should at the very least give her some sort of answer.
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[Q] Ask for a drink.
-[Q] "Well, it all started when I was born..."
 
I'm not sure how useful hearing her motives will be because if they're sinister she'll just come up with a lie about them. Anyone who's done a minimum of research on us can at least suspect that answers like "I want to preserve the magic economy by stopping free cleansing", "I want to take over the world", "I want an insta-witching cannon to use against my enemies" and "I want to research you as much as I can then dump your body in the river you abomination" aren't going to go well and if it is one of these she likely has another fake reason lined up.

I guess she might honestly answer with something purely selfish but inoffensive like pure curiosity or just wanting infinite cleansing herself but I'd try to work with her even if they are.
 
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Kai Merah said:
Amateur!

[J] Don't worry Mami, I won't get bored of you no matter how useless and worthless you are! I'm not sick at all of your mental fragility and uselessness!
-[J] So, you, Ri-whatever, just so we're clear, I can totally shatter your gem right now and you couldn't stop me.
--[J] I could also just shove all this Grief into your Gem and Witch you instantly! Doesn't that sound like an interesting experiment?
---[J] Now, be my living puppet and use your soul magic for whatever the hell I want, or Witch out.
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Onmur said:
Don't be daft.

[Q] Tell Mami you find her mental issues endearing. She's like a big crying cuddly bear you want to hu and make her feel better.

[Q] Much later, kick yourself over and over for saying dumb things.
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We can do better than that.

[Q] Tell
-[Q] Kirika that Oriko is a nutcase with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and she should be friends with us instead. Wink wink nudge nudge.
-–[Q] In front of Oriko and Mami
-[Q] Oriko that Kirika is a nutcase with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and she should be friends with us instead.
-–[Q] In front of Kirika and Homura
-[Q] Homura that you won't acknowledge her as your mom, because she doesn't like hugs.
-[Q] Madoka that collecting chairs is a stupid hobby.
-[Q] Sayaka that she just needs to kiss the girl, you fool! Roll the dice to see if it's Hitomi or Kyouko. Twenty means both.
-[Q] Nagisa that eating too much cheese is unhealthy.
-[Q] Kyouko that Sayaka prefers rescue romances, so she just needs to fake illness, or something.

I can do this all day.
 
blast flame said:
Don't mention Homura, time travel or Madoka. Don't mention our memories of future events or specific people. Maybe don't mention theories about us potentially being a witch.

Otherwise give a rundown of how we came to in the alley with no personal memories, how we had a complete understanding of the magical girl system and lots of science/languages/etc in our head. Mention the wish product hypothesis but stress it's just a hypothesis.

Ensure she knows the origin of witches without being condescending about it because she almost certainly does.

Show her our clear seed. Talk about it's dual purposes as a super-high capacity grief storage medium and potential first step to reversing witching.

Ask what she sees in our soul.
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We can say that we think we're the result of a Wish--that we came into existence, and that we had the potential to make a wish of the kind that we did. That, combined with actually making a Wish for this exact power, allowed for it to work.

That avoids mentioning Madoka, time travel, or Walpurgisnacht.

We can tell her that we seemed to have been literally poofed into existence with full knowledge about the Magical Girl system, at the least. And that we seemed to be dying at the time--as if we weren't quite right, and needed to make a Wish to survive (by becoming a Magical Girl, rather than human).
 
Also, WOW Rionna is terrible at social interaction. Like, she makes Kyouko look awesome.

Kyouko is prickly, paranoid/suspicious, tsundere, and proud. Rionna is aggressively rude, uncaring, presumptuous, offensive, and arrogant. Yes, she's just been on a flight around the world. I'm willing to forgive her impatience with social niceties. But the common-sense answer to that problem is to get some rest and relax, THEN question Sabrina through social interaction the next day, when you can stomach some patience and politeness.

It's like a mountain climber who drives 16 hours to a mountain, and rather than resting and relaxing before the climb, decides to start the climb immediately. That's just stupid.
 
Raiseth said:
We can do better than that.

[Q] Tell
-[Q] Kirika that Oriko is a nutcase with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and she should be friends with us instead. Wink wink nudge nudge.
-–[Q] In front of Oriko and Mami
-[Q] Oriko that Kirika is a nutcase with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and she should be friends with us instead.
-–[Q] In front of Kirika and Homura
-[Q] Homura that you won't acknowledge her as your mom, because she doesn't like hugs.
-[Q] Madoka that collecting chairs is a stupid hobby.
-[Q] Sayaka that she just needs to kiss the girl, you fool! Roll the dice to see if it's Hitomi or Kyouko. Twenty means both.
-[Q] Nagisa that eating too much cheese is unhealthy.
-[Q] Kyouko that Sayaka prefers rescue romances, so she just needs to fake illness, or something.

I can do this all day.
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I'd like for our foot-in-mouth babblings to have some grounding in reality, though. :p
 
Shower thought: Do you think, if Sabrina got drunk, her actual verbal words would be misspelled?
Onmur said:
I'd like for our foot-in-mouth babblings to have some grounding in reality, though. :p
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Okay.
(X)Soul Mongrel
-(X)Hmph, Mongrel, I will dismiss your transgressions towards me and my subject for now, because of your usefulness as a tool, but if that usefulness ends...
-(X)You wish to know of my Origin, Mongrel, as if you are worthy to know of even a fraction of my thoughts. Perhaps, if you swear allegiance to me I will be generous and give you a small portion of my wisdom.
-(X)Mongrel, use your inferior magic to tell me what you see in one of my greatest treasures, surely worth more than a dozen of you, if you do so I might see reason to give one to you.
 
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Raiseth said:
Hmph. Reality.
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[Q] Get Riona to check Oriko. Homura stands as guard in the same room. And Kyouko, too. Because.
-[Q] Idly comment, while the jury's still out on Riona, you're sure Oriko's likely a socio- or psycho-path capable of going out and murdering people without feeling all that much remorse.
--[Q] ... But that's OK! You can still keep walking this fine line of keeping everyone happy enough they won't start killing your friends, or anybody else.
---[Q] Nervously look around. Really, it's fine, you can take the sheer stress this puts in your shoulder. It's worth it as long as Kirika and you end up Best Buddies and you can be her Best Woman at her wedding.
----[Q] Did you mention Oriko did a good deed by letting KB know about Yuma? If there was one girl whose life would be made better by contracting, it was Yuma. Yep.
-----[Q] Muse about the frailness of your relationships as bullets start flying and you wake up slightly frightened in Mami's arms.
------[Q] You need to hang out with Sayaka more.
 
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