Things left to do today:
• Check on Masami/Hiroko/Ono and their Kuroki hunt
• Check on Asunaro, try to contact Hijiri again
• Check with Nakano Mika how her talk with Kyouko went

I think that's all the really urgent stuff?

We can probably do all that from the apartment. Offer to make Mami a bracelet to match the ribbon one on us. After everyone goes home, ask Mami to just seriously do anything for Homura if she is asked to because gawd we owe her so much and can do so little for her (or don't do that, ehe).

And then tomorrow...? I favor roosting on the school roof for the first few hours of the day, personally.
 
Things left to do today:
• Check on Masami/Hiroko/Ono and their Kuroki hunt
• Check on Asunaro, try to contact Hijiri again
• Check with Nakano Mika how her talk with Kyouko went

I think that's all the really urgent stuff?

NOBODY THOUGHT IT COULD BE DONE!

BUT TODAY!

WE

HAVE HELPED

AKEMI

HOMURA!


GOOD FUCKIN WORK EVERYBODY! THIS ONE'S FOR THE HISTORY BOOKS AND IT'S TIME TO THROW OURSELVES A PARTY!

Let's finish our movement first, Okay? Cream stew later. Looks like she responded, now we have to add the extras. The future is better if we do.
IMHO, not ready to do Vote in Abeyance yet.
We have at least three more items on our minds before the scene is done?

Understand -and decide our reactions to - the sum of the remainder of Homura's ambiguous responses. As expected, one doesn't get a walkover in these situations.

Set up a way to give ongoing support that is interactive. Affirmation must be available to her short term. As long as we avoid infohazards, involve Mami a bit more with Homura? Kyuubey isn't between them now.

Pay attention to Homura's agency. Oriko conversation was ineffective to affirm her agency, because there WAS one right answer. Go beyond "we give her choices" level. It would do her more good if she can invent and pursue a project with others, where she is the authority.
-- Sub goal - ask her if she is gathering and planning for Walpurgisnacht? Can she lead the strategy meeting?
-- Sub goal ask her how old Madoka will be when her ability to contract expires? Get Homura to imagine herself making a realistic future she wants.

How might we involve Madoka in support? That is part of the 'deal' with her. Also, we need to present magic in a continuing harsh light. It helps to run Kyuubey off the rails.
 
Feed the rigth wolf and eventually you get something.

Old wisdom.

We have signed up for another job, probably for the duration of the Quest. Nobody else was doing it, and if we do it right, we don't lose.
Train Homura to affirm herself.
Very first time will be now, and it will be a "repeat after me" thing.

Who wants to write it?
 
You smile at her still, gently clasping her hand between both of yours. She's trembling, still. Just a little. She stills, slowly, and draws in a breath, facing you with renewed determination... before her eyes drop from yours again.

"I'm fighting for her," she whispers. "I... if we win. It doesn't matter."

Her eyes flicker back up to you again, for a split second.

"Thank you," she whispers.
What does she mean doesn't matter? That she's failed in the past? I'm worried that she's thinking about the "I need to be strong enough" and this is actually early-stage Wish rejection.
 
Very good. I think we've said enough, and should give her some time and space to process. Definitely not the last time we're having this conversation, it'll keep coming back, but the most difficult hurdle has been cleared, I think.

On a related note, I wonder what this means for her view of Oriko. That's what this conversation started with, after all.
 
What does she mean doesn't matter? That she's failed in the past? I'm worried that she's thinking about the "I need to be strong enough" and this is actually early-stage Wish rejection.
Is your initial impulse to verbally test her for each stage of Wish? Might be good? We must not mis-understand.

We can lead? "Sabrina feels a deep need to control your Grief. You just gave her that. now tell us "----"?
 
I have to say, this, right here? One of our greatest victories. Convincing Madoka not to contract, keeping Mami alive and (semi)sane, hell, even knocking some sense into Sayaka; that's all been done in canon.

But bringing true hope to Homura, or at least opening up the possibility? Outside of the PSP Golden Ending, I can't think of a single time in canon where that happened. Even if there are other instances, it's still difficult as fuck.

However, by working with Homura, we did it.
We're fixing things.
 
I mean... I think the achievement here is the fact we're someone Homura can open up to, and actually talk about all this shit with.

At the end she went back into her shell, she took refuge once more in the idea that it will all be worth it in the end, after shelving all the doubts she was expressing back into their places.

Only, this time she had someone to hold her and tell it would be OK, and,

Her eyes flicker back up to you again, for a split second.

"Thank you," she whispers.

We didn't really fix anything. We brought Homura the kind of help she's been missing since literally forever.

Hopefully that's good enough for now.
 
Last edited:
We didn't really fix anything. We brought Homura the kind of help she's been missing since literally forever.

Hopefully that's good enough for now.
I am worried that we only made things worse. I think that, when she says it doesn't matter, she's talking about her past failures, but I would like someone that can provide insight on these things to double-check that she's not talking about something else.
 
"I... if we win. It doesn't matter."

Ok, that felt pretty warm and fuzzy to read after thinking about Homura in the original series. Going from 'I' to 'we' was good enough for me I think.

Edit: sorry, I just noticed that it wasn't that 'I'. I still think it's something that Homura said 'we' though. I want to go for Sabrina and Homura having a relationship as an equal; two imperfect people giving each other a hand when the other falls and all that.
 
Last edited:
"I'm fighting for her," she whispers. "I... if we win. It doesn't matter."

Possible interpretations:

1) If we win in the end, it doesn't matter how much pain she went through.

2) It doesn't matter if she wins with our help instead of just by herself, as long as she wins. ( Good catch, nanashi, I like your idea the best, btw )

3) She cuts herself short before saying: "I'm gonna go on a date with Doka if we win. She's gonna be mai waifu! Eh, it doesn't matter." :V

What? It could happen.
 
Just going to remind everyone to occasionally check the To-Do list in Sabrina's Day Planner. (which can be found in the second post)

Serious timesensitive tasks on the To-Do List currently:

Find Tsubaki Mikoto(bleeding heart guca from Suzune Magica, hopefully we can get to her before she witches. Getting to her should also prevent basically all the problems in Suzune Magica from happening)
Check Kuroki's phone(don't fully recall who she was, but we were investigating her earlier and trying to see whether she witched out or died or something. We found her phone, but haven't done anything with it yet)
Find Tsuchiya Ritsuko(Hitomom's old school friend. She's PROBABLY dead or witched out. But if she hasn't, we should probably try and find her before she DOES die/witch out. Probably not as important as the others because she's probably fucked already.)
 
Kuroki's phone is the only other one of those I'd call "urgent" enough to do today. I wouldn't be adverse to looking into Tsubaki Mikoto this week at all, but Ritsuko we can put off for a good while yet- at the soonest, maybe we'd want some info on her for the talk with the Shizuki's over the weekend, and even that isn't urgent.

What I'd very much like to do tomorrow is look into the various Oriko manga side characters - the two potentials we spotted in Shirome in particular. It's something that needs to be done, which also keeps us alert and in Mitakihara in case Riona or other immigrants arrive. We can do some witch hunting on the side too, along with one of Sayaka's clones.

If we leave timestop this update, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this in the vote:

[ ] Talk to Sayaka about plans for tommorow:
-[ ] You're going to be hunting witches around town, looking into potentials, maybe meetings with some neighbours, and keeping an eye open for immigrants and/or Riona. Does she want to make a clone to join you?
 
We could also bring up the possibility of witchbombing Sayaka to Homura right now,(that is, bring up the possibility right now, not actually suggest to immediately witchbomb sayaka) but whether Homura is up for that talk right now I don't know. On one hand, she might need some time to recover from that talk, on the other hand, talking business might help her cope a bit. Personally leaning towards 'not right now'.

Up to you guys, though. I'm probably not going to be voting much anymore: makes me anxious. So I'll just try and contribute thoughts and suggestions instead.

EDIT: I'll also mention that Tsubaki Mikoto, by canon, would probably have witched out by now. After all, she witched out in the titular character's backstory. However, this is only a 'probably', and even so, Madoka's wish may very well have altered things so that we at least have a chance to save her. 'Everything can be fixed', after all.
 
Last edited:
We could also bring up the possibility of witchbombing Sayaka to Homura right now,(that is, bring up the possibility right now, not actually suggest to immediately witchbomb sayaka) but whether Homura is up for that talk right now I don't know. On one hand, she might need some time to recover from that talk, on the other hand, talking business might help her cope a bit. Personally leaning towards 'not right now'.

Up to you guys, though. I'm probably not going to be voting much anymore: makes me anxious. So I'll just try and contribute thoughts and suggestions instead.

EDIT: I'll also mention that Tsubaki Mikoto, by canon, would probably have witched out by now. After all, she witched out in the titular character's backstory. However, this is only a 'probably', and even so, Madoka's wish may very well have altered things so that we at least have a chance to save her. 'Everything can be fixed', after all.
Word from Nadia is that she's alive.
 
Word from Nadia is that she's alive.
Oh, sweet. Well, we should probably hurry up with saving her, then. Suzune Magica had to occur before a Kriemhild Gretchen crushes the world or Madokami saves the witches: and considering Tsubaki Mikoto witched out in a character's backstory, she probably witched out a few weeks before Walpy at most.

On a side note, here's the last post before we started this Homu conversation, in case anyone wants a reminder of where we left off with Sayaka and Mami.

EDIT: Though I suppose there's also a possibility that Suzune Magica took place in one of the early timelines, where Madoka didn't have enough potential to pull a Gretchen. In that case, Suzune Magica could actually have taken place weeks or months or even years after Madoka Magica. This could mean we have considerably more time before she witches, though I'd personally rather not risk it. (for those unaware, timelines keep going even after Homura abandons them and travels back in time. she's hopping to different timelines, not resetting the same timeline over and over)
 
Last edited:
Why not just vote to continue with the votes in Abeyance at this time? Something like...

[] "Hey, it's not a problem!"
-[] Continue with Votes in Abeyance
 
Back
Top