It was said there would be significant casualties months down the line as a result if the fighting escalated, after we specifically inquired about the Fukushima nuclear reactors. The heavy implication was that the quakes would precipitate a Dai-Ichi meltdown in the medium term.
IIRC, the talk was about a couple of city blocks of destruction, overall fighting spreading to the whole of the city and then the neighbouring ones. Brina specifically asked about nuclear reactors though, and received confused looks and answers about a recent improvement in the plants' security that should prevent the reactor's destabilization, caused by artificial or natural earthquakes.
Sadly, don't have time to reread and provide a relevant quote. I'll try when I'll be riding the subway.
"Good, I think," you say. Mami relaxes fractionally, nodding in agreement with you, seeming unconsciously. "Last question, unless I think of more - what about the nearby nuclear reactors? Will they be affected?" You can feel the weight of Homura's, Oriko's, and Mami's puzzled looks at you. Kirika seems completely unconcerned, humming to herself and twining her fingers through Oriko's hair.
"The... nuclear reactors?" Oriko asks. "Do you mean the Fukushima nuclear plant?"
"Those, yes," you nod.
"I don't... see... the relevance?" the seer asked. "The fighting won't go anywhere near that region?"
"No, I mean, with the earthquakes and all..." you explain.
Oriko's head tilts slightly. "With their recent upgrades? No."
Well... Akiko won't be showing up for again for a while, so I'll show a card. Akiko is a macro-scale hydrokinetic, somewhat styled after Worm's Leviathan. She moves water in enormous quantities, but not really fine manipulation, and she needs time to build momentum. Her Witch fighting style, back when she actually fought them, would have been 'wait five minutes, and then a building sized wave smashes the Witch flat'. Had she fought in Ishinomaki, she would have wound up accidentally synergizing with Yuuna (earthquake girl) to cause this.
"In the immediate aftermath... four... dead," Oriko answers, this one coming quick, as if she'd expected it, though she hesitates a little over the word 'dead'. You can guess why. A sidelong glance at Mami - she swallows, face growing pale again. "In the longer term... another nine, by month's end."
"And the collateral?" you ask grimly.
"A dozen city blocks levelled, across Sendai, and Ishinomaki," Oriko answers.
You can't help but think that that's... not terrible, for what amounts to a war. "What's the chances of them triggering off something bigger? If they have someone who can make earthquakes..."
That startles Oriko. "What? Low-" she twitches, back arching slightly. "High. It's not during the fight. It comes after."
"Crap," you mutter. "This gets worse and worse." Mami's grip on your hand, at this point, is a desperate deathgrip crushing your hand.
I think part of the issue with O&K is the time flow difference. I mean from our PoV the its been months and months when in story it's been what? a few weeks?
We go the reform/good prisoner route and try to get Oriko and/or Kiriko to help when they can to get them out of the house. Try to work toward outings under supervision.
Here is my view of about half. Mostly addressing Sayaka. If Homura admirably maintains control, and doesn't fix it in timestop before we finish, we should hear her out next.
I think part of the issue with O&K is the time flow difference. I mean from our PoV the its been months and months when in story it's been what? a few weeks?
We go the reform/good prisoner route and try to get Oriko and/or Kiriko to help when they can to get them out of the house. Try to work toward outings under supervision.
[X] You're doing the thing where you fail to actually answer her question again, aren't you?
[X] If she can be saved without hurting someone else, Of Course we would consider reforming her. Our friends have equal authority, and different stakes. This is how serious debate makes us find the right answer.
-[X] Anri will be more difficult, but we think we understand Oriko at last.
-[X] Oriko's actions seem to say she wants to be better.
[X] Harm prevention priority. Homura has her way. Oriko has lost her Madoka privileges for life. Some monitoring indefinite / permanent.
-[X] Until punishment is over, monitoring, inspection, guards, check-ins. In some future, negotiated relocation.
[X] We should be uncomfortable with undefined punishment. We need to have a determination of sentence, not instantly, but prepare.
-[X] Oriko and Kirika should face all the victims, if at all possible. The acceptance or rejection will factor in.
[X] For now, want to design a punishment that works, and is non-lethal. Reflection has show us that our current course (Mikuni mansion) will result in yet another suicide attempt.
-[X] IRL, solitary and close confinement can injure and even kill normal adults. Oriko is a magical girl, selected for her vulnerability. Like us all.
-[X] Explain Oriko's deathwish in general. If prompted, tell her Oriko lost her privacy due to criminal acts, and continue in detail.
-[X] Confinement in a dormitory setting. Others do not need to be prisoners. They must be cooperative informants. Supervised trips outside. Designed until you are all satisfied.
[X] Community service isn't just fighting / working for us. Most of their outdoor time will be mundane charity work.
-[X] We choose the circumstances, in this case to maximize empathy.
[X] We used Oriko and Kirika for the good of others. It demonstrates utility to our long term goals. They have value to Mitakihara.
-[X] Oriko reacted positively to saving others. Our job is to train her thoroughly to that. Sayaka should determine progress.
-[X] Back to school for them, if we can find a safe way.
[X] I'm so afraid, causing pain to you like this. But right now, we are the authorities. Our decision saves or destroys these lives.
-[X] Am always going to try to be right, for as many as I can. For you, too.
--[X] Want us to remain moral, willing to work harder for that.
--[jk] Trespass, Vandalism and Burglary don't count as Magical Girls!
-[X] We killed Oriko once already. I'll listen to what else you need here. Your family's needs, too.
So, I want to reply to the people talking about a aummary before the whole in-depth explanation (@Guilop & co.). I didn't really get around to this yesterday because i was on catnip (read: off my adhd meds) and wasn't able to really heavily consider it, but my thoughts on a summary line really added up to it being an inevitable understatement.
Any summary of Oriko's problems has to get through to at least Sayaka as bring serious and a real problem. Something like "the house arrest is bad for her mental health" could just be shrugged off with something like "my house getting burned down was bad for my mental health!" Or "so is prison!"
I'd happily include a summary line if that sort of problem could definitely be bypassed, because there are good reasons that most informative essays run in formats like that. But as is I want to set the... Not the tone of the conversation, but the topic, I guess? With something Sayaka can't dispute. Closer to "Oriko's mom was killed by her dad when she was (young age) but she doesn't know that and idolized him, then he committed suicide and she found the body in that house" than "The house arrest is causing mental health problems." I dunno.
So, I want to reply to the people talking about a aummary before the whole in-depth explanation (@Guilop & co.). I didn't really get around to this yesterday because i was on catnip (read: off my adhd meds) and wasn't able to really heavily consider it, but my thoughts on a summary line really added up to it being an inevitable understatement.
Any summary of Oriko's problems has to get through to at least Sayaka as bring serious and a real problem. Something like "the house arrest is bad for her mental health" could just be shrugged off with something like "my house getting burned down was bad for my mental health!" Or "so is prison!"
I'd happily include a summary line if that sort of problem could definitely be bypassed, because there are good reasons that most informative essays run in formats like that. But as is I want to set the... Not the tone of the conversation, but the topic, I guess? With something Sayaka can't dispute. Closer to "Oriko's mom was killed by her dad when she was (young age) but she doesn't know that and idolized him, then he committed suicide and she found the body in that house" than "The house arrest is causing mental health problems." I dunno.
Honestly, I'm not too sure myself. My main thought was that leading with something like "The current arrangement is turning Oriko's soul into a Klein pretzel and will ultimately kill her." would help with getting Sayaka to listen, as while she wants to punish Oriko, I doubt she'll see contributing to her death in such a manner as justice. It also may be just my preference to bluntly state the reason for what I'm doing up front, so the other party knows why I'm explaining all of this, before diving into the explanations. Sayaka also explicitly asked about why we're doing this now and we didn't really answer her, so giving her something to think about while explaining might help and prevent her from becoming too impatient.
Honestly, I'm not too sure myself. My main thought was that leading with something like "The current arrangement is turning Oriko's soul into a Klein pretzel and will ultimately kill her." would help with getting Sayaka to listen, as while she wants to punish Oriko, I doubt she'll see contributing to her death in such a manner as justice. It also may be just my preference to bluntly state the reason for what I'm doing up front, so the other party knows why I'm explaining all of this, before diving into the explanations. Sayaka also explicitly asked about why we're doing this now and we didn't really answer her, so giving her something to think about while explaining might help and prevent her from becoming too impatient.
My concern with that is that it's not really honest, I think? There's a lot of factors that are contributing to Oriko's state and the house arrest is one... Right?
My concern with that is that it's not really honest, I think? There's a lot of factors that are contributing to Oriko's state and the house arrest is one... Right?
My concern with that is that it's not really honest, I think? There's a lot of factors that are contributing to Oriko's state and the house arrest is one... Right?
I mean, "the current arrangement" folds in all of the factors contributing to Oriko's state, including the house arrest; as long as we phrase it so "the current arrangement" or some equivalent phrase is clearly a general summation of "all of the shit going on " as a whole that we then immediately delve into, like, in the very next sentence, I think it might work?
Bluh, the problem with this whole thing is right back around to the "we're trying to be as honest as physically possible, while under the constraint that we clearly have several hundred times longer to think about every situation than the people we're talking to, so the line between 'conversing like a human being who's allowed to have imperfect phrasing' and 'sentences calculated to absolute precision so as to communicate exactly what we mean and nothing more', and how manipulative and/or honest either track is, is a balancing act over a firepit" thing.
edited for clarity
edited again because that paragraph was mostly an artifact of a separate issue only peripherally connected to the conversation in this thread
I mean, "the current arrangement" folds in all of the factors contributing to Oriko's state, including the house arrest; as long as we phrase it so "the current arrangement" or some equivalent phrase is clearly a general summation of "all of the shit going on " as a whole that we then immediately delve into, like, in the very next sentence, I think it might work?
Bluh, the problem with this whole thing is right back around to the "we're trying to be as honest as physically possible, while under the constraint that we clearly have several hundred times longer to think about every situation than the people we're talking to, so the line between 'conversing like a human being who's allowed to have imperfect phrasing' and 'sentences calculated to absolute precision so as to communicate exactly what we mean and nothing more', and how manipulative and/or honest either track is, is a balancing act over a firepit" thing.
To be totally honest I disagree with this completely. 50% of our communication issues are the result of the thread not saying everything relevant to a conversation in the order that those things should be said. The other 50% are us derping up and not having a conversation when it should be had.
There is virtually no occasion where the problem is us having too much time to think. It's usually that we spend lots of time on mechanics and details and facts and sentiments -- the words and topics we want to push out -- while shortchanging presentation.
When that doesn't happen we get Niko-Kazumi conversations instead of Sayaka-Hitomi conversations.
I don't think there's any real problem with the standing vote. "It's a long story but it'll be a full and honest answer" is a legitimate opener.
To be totally honest I disagree with this completely. 50% of our communication issues are the result of the thread not saying everything relevant to a conversation in the order that those things should be said. The other 50% are us derping up and not having a conversation when it should be had.
There is virtually no occasion where the problem is us having too much time to think. It's usually that we spend lots of time on mechanics and details and facts and sentiments -- the words and topics we want to push out -- while shortchanging presentation.
When that doesn't happen we get Niko-Kazumi conversations instead of Sayaka-Hitomi conversations.
I don't think there's any real problem with the standing vote. "It's a long story but it'll be a full and honest answer" is a legitimate opener.
I appear to have missworded everything I was trying to communicate with the quoted block of text, for which I apologize. Actually, I apologize for the entire second paragraph, because it's mostly the result of me ranting about a related topic that's been a problem for me personally lately, that doesn't actually have it's place here. Do you mind if either remove it or stick it in a spoiler labeled 'personal rant, left for posterity, only peripherally meant to apply to this conversation' or something, so it doesn't potentially spawn a conversational diversion?
Either way, no, yeah, I agree with your summation of the conversational issues, albeit with the note that some of it also comes from trying to can things into wordcounts they shouldn't be canned into. Also think the vote is basically fine, I just have eternal quibbles about exact word connotation and whatever, which is probably not a concern in an aims-oriented vote like this one, actually, but it's just a longstanding me-issue-thing.
On order of the conversation, especially for a topic like this where arguments could/will be had I normally go with
1) Ensure everyone is on the same page. IE I know what you want, you know what I want. (Because I've gotten into arguments that ended with 'wait we want the same thing')
2) Explain my position and the logic behind it
3) Explain/Counter known issues of the other side
4) Get feedback (Hear the other sides version of 2&3)
5) Offer compromise while restating what YOU thought they mean. This ensures we are understanding correctly. If we understood them wrong they can then correct us.
6) Repeat 4 & 5 until agreement.
[X] You're doing the thing where you fail to actually answer her question again, aren't you?
[X] If she can be saved without hurting someone else, Of Course we would consider reforming her. Our motive is saving, helping, fixing.
-[X] Our friends have equal authority, and different stakes. This is how serious debate makes us find the right answer.
--[X] Anri will be more difficult, but we think we understand Oriko at last.
--[X] Oriko's actions seem to say she wants to be better.
-[X] We didn't get our house burnt. We don't expect you to ignore that. We are here to give you the other perspective, because that would be impossible for you right now. Justice.
[X] Harm prevention priority. Homura has her way. Oriko has lost her Madoka privileges for life. Some monitoring indefinite / permanent.
-[X] Until punishment is over, monitoring, inspection, guards, check-ins. In some future, negotiated relocation.
[X] We should be uncomfortable with undefined punishment.
-[X] We need to have a determination of sentence, not instantly, but prepare.
-[X] Oriko and Kirika should face all the victims, if at all possible. The acceptance or rejection will factor in.
-[X] Arson without murder doesn't rate execution.
[X] For now, want to design a punishment that works, and is non-lethal. Reflection has show us that our current course (Mikuni mansion) will result in yet another suicide attempt.
-[X] IRL, solitary and close confinement can injure and even kill normal adults. Oriko is a magical girl, selected for her vulnerability. Like us all.
-[X] Explain Oriko's deathwish in general. If prompted, tell her Oriko lost her privacy due to criminal acts, and continue in detail.
-[X] Confinement in a dormitory setting. Others do not need to be prisoners. They must be cooperative informants. Supervised trips outside. Designed until you are all satisfied.
[X] Community service isn't just fighting / working for us. Most of their outdoor time will be mundane charity work.
-[X] We choose the circumstances, in this case to maximize empathy.
[X] We used Oriko and Kirika for the good of others. It demonstrates utility to our long term goals. They have value to Mitakihara.
-[X] Oriko reacted positively to saving others. Our job is to train her thoroughly to that. Sayaka should determine progress.
-[X] Back to school for them, if we can find a safe way.
[X] I'm so afraid, causing pain to you like this. But right now, we are the authorities. Our decision saves or destroys these lives.
-[X] Am always going to try to be right, for as many as I can. For you, too.
--[X] Want us to remain moral, willing to work harder for that.
--[jk] Trespass, Vandalism and Burglary don't count as Magical Girls!
-[X] We killed Oriko once already. I'll listen to what else you need here. Your family's needs, too.
[X] Time for Homura discussion. Tell Mami and Sayaka there is an infohazard component, please give leave?
[X] Request begin timestop
-[X] Listen, first. Prompt, if Homura won't start.
-[X] Explain that you see Oriko is showing herself to accept our agenda.
-[X] Ask if Homura sees anything else about them.
--[X] This Oriko is not the same as the others anymore. She is changing.
-[X] Project future intent. Oriko stays alive, and helps in certain ways. We negotiate her eventual move to another town, and long term monitoring rights, such as Mitakihara off limits.
--[X] As an ally, Oriko can help us build a bigger and safer community. She has skills to trade.
-[X] Ask how to control risk to Madoka? We want her ideas.
[X] This isn't like the loops. No more foreknowledge soon. And that is risky. And terrifying.
-[X] We are adapting by gaining help. It is working. Not finished yet, grasping for more allies.
[X] Making the city using moral sacrifices is bound to fail. We want to finish the route of building the city using our best actions.
[X] Will never trade one of my friends to save someone
-[X] Will find the way to save each, even if the Mahou Shoujo are bad, trying is important. One rule, no exceptions.
--[X] That dedication is why you know we will keep Madoka safe. And we want you to keep me safe too.
[X] Deploy Mother/Daughter humor
[X] Offer hugs. Accept fear. Share hope.
[X] return timestop
[X] Group enchant? That soft rock is ready for other magic now...?
[X] More on the GENERAL topic of adult help now? Anri is still out there, we still need development assistance, refugees are in mourning, ask alternatives. Ask preferences for how they want to see this happen.
You stare at Homura, stare at the way she's shutting down like she hasn't for a while. You stare at Sayaka, the low anger seething on her face, and some part of you reflects that anger in turn. Some part of you chafes that your reassurances, your apologies, went to nothing. She's all rah-rah justice, and the moment it turns to her and someone who hurt her and her family...
Her family. How can you blame her for being upset about her family being hurt? How can you blame her for lacking objectivity for it? How can you blame her for getting angry when she doesn't have the full story?
Hell, Homura doesn't have the full story. She doesn't know why. She just knows that once upon a never, Oriko killed Madoka, ripped her hope away.
You're fucking this up.
You close your eyes and groan, dropping your face into your hands.
"I'm doing this wrong," you mutter. Opening your eyes, you meet Sayaka's gaze, and then Homura's. "I'm sorry. I'm not answering your questions or concerns properly. I... give me a moment?"
Sayaka snorts, folding her arms. "Like I'm going anywhere."
You breathe out slowly, steadying yourself. Mami slides her arms around you, reassuringly warm and solid and real.
"Right," you say. "Right. Sayaka... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I... this isn't a conversation I want to have, either. I didn't want to poke yours or Homura's sore spots over Oriko, and I jumped on the nearest topic I could. I shouldn't have done that, but I wasn't trying to set up something manipulative either."
"It's not in Sabrina's nature to do something like that, Sayaka," Mami says. "You should know her by now."
Sayaka's lips twitch reluctantly. "Blunt as a hammer," she says. "Fine. That I buy. Still, I... it's her."
"Thanks, I guess," you say, rolling your head back against your shoulders as if you're a turtle trying to hide in its shell. You look at Homura. "I... I honestly do want to establish some general process for future events, but it wasn't really to do with Oriko. I need to explain, from the top. But I'm not doing anything without agreement from the both of you. Will you hear me out? Please?"
A hard, amethyst gaze meets yours, holding your eyes for a long, long second. She looks away. "Fine."
"Thank you," you say, holding her gaze a few moments longer before looking at Sayaka. "Sayaka?"
Sayaka scowls deeply, folding her arms as she squints at you. "You really think you have a good reason to... 'give them limited rein'?"
"I think I have good reason to argue that something needs to be done," you say. "I want your input on that, and... that's why I'm talking to the both of you."
Sayaka shrugs, leaving her arms where they are. "Alright. Hit me."
"I... Homura," you say, and motion towards her shield, already out. She never detransformed, after all. "There's a lot of ground to cover. Can I ask for..."
Homura makes a low noise in the back of her throat, and unwinds one arm far enough to make a tiny beckoning gesture at Mami.
Golden ribbon unspools from Mami's upraised hand, Homura grabbing hold of one end as the other wraps around Sayaka's wrist, another twist going around your waist even if you're hip-to-hip with her. Doesn't hurt to be sure, after all.
Homura nods convulsively, and cranks her shield across. Colour drains from the world, the noise of the city sliced away instantly. Mami exhales slowly, arm tightening around you, and Sayaka shifts uncomfortably, staring around at the frozen world. It's only her... second experience of Homura's timestop, you think.
"Alright," you say, the yawning void swallowing your words. "So. First thing... I know about Oriko. The same way I knew about all of you. I just... woke up with the knowledge."
Homura goes still, gaze locking onto you. Her hand whitens around the ribbon, fingers of her other hand curling loosely.
"And so she's secretly a good person?" Sayaka says, clenching her fists. "I- Sabrina, she- dammit, you know what she did."
"I know," you say. "A good person? No. Her actions haven't been the actions of a good person."
"Well, case closed, innit?" Sayaka asks, flipping her hands up. "She's guilty, and she's not a good person, so she gets justice. I mean look at the house we're leaving her in. It's a mansion, and she even gets to live there with her girlfriend."
"It's not that simple," you say, shaking your head. "And... there's a lot to go over, so please, bear with me."
Sayaka rolls her eyes, waving you on.
"Well. Let's start with her father," you say. Mami curls against your side, watchful and attentive. "Mikuni Hisaomi. The black sheep of his family, in some ways, and that's because he cared. Lots of politicians in the family, as far as I know, and so was Hisaomi."
"Wasn't he indicted for, uh... embezzlement?" Sayaka asks, frowning.
"Eventually, yeah," you say. "Now, see... Hisaomi became a lawyer, got married, went into politics, had a daughter. Oriko. When she was seven, her mother died in a... car accident. The thing is, well. I'm not really sure what the hell happened in the intervening years, but I'm pretty sure Hisaomi arranged that 'accident'."
"... What?" Sayaka asks, staring at you.
"Mmmyeah," you say. "I'm not absolutely sure, but I am reasonably certain. Oriko doesn't know this, mind you. Kirika might, but she'd never tell Oriko. Not quite sure there. Could try finding his diary the next time I'm over... anyway."
"Can you prove it?" Sayaka asks, shifting uncomfortably. "I mean... I believe you know a lot of... stuff, but this is..."
"Beyond the pale. His diary, maybe, if I can get it," you say, and nod at Homura. "Oriko doesn't know about this."
You hope she takes your meaning. If Oriko doesn't know about it, then it's something that she can't forge and mislead with. It's something verifiable.
"And that's when Oriko decided she had to grow up," you continue. "Her father still had a facade up, of wanting to do good for the world. Oriko believes him, idolises him for it. And then they find out about his embezzlement. Oriko keeps her head up. She stays proud of her father, of what she thought he stood for, and then..."
You make an open handed gesture. "He hangs himself in his study. She finds his body." You shake your head. "I... look. We might not agree on what we should do, but... I don't want to leave her in that mansion. I didn't think about this in the beginning, but we're imprisoning her in the building she found her father's corpse. The same one that she's had to endure attacks in. There's graffiti on the walls, and windows that had to be replaced. I don't... Leaving her there is just inhumane."
Sayaka grimaces, slumping backwards in her chair. "And then?"
"Her family cuts ties. Her entire family. She's left alone to face the scorn and the abuse because the rest of her family are consummate politicians and it wouldn't be expedient to associate with the daughter of a known embezzler," you say, tone even. Mami squeezes your hand gently. "Kyuubey finds her. And she Wishes to know the meaning of her life."
"That still doesn't excuse anything," Sayaka mutters, looking distinctly uncomfortable.
"No, it doesn't, but I'm not done yet either," you say. "She has her father, her idol, systematically torn down, and then she's just tossed out into the cold. Abuse is heaped on her by outsiders. And at this point I'm moving into current events - that was the history. She Wishes to know what it's all for, and for that, she gets the gift of foresight."
"Yeah?" Sayaka says. "I mean, I guess I kinda knew about that last bit."
"Do you know, not a single one of her family shows up to her father's funeral?" you say, smiling humourlessly. "She's left alone in the world, bar Kirika, who she only meets later. When Mami and Homura and I were hunting her down back then, she wanted to die. She expected to die, because of the visions from her foresight. Right, Homura?"
"But she's obviously still alive," Sayaka says, rolling her eyes. Arms still folded, she leans back on the sofa, cushion sinking under her weight. "So obviously she was wrong."
"Oh, she was wrong, yes, but here's the thing. She wanted to die," you say. "And she was granted visions to suit."
"That doesn't- that doesn't mean what she did is any less..." Sayaka gropes for a word. "Ugh."
"No, it doesn't," you agree. "What I'm saying is that she wound up trying to do good in the stupidest, most self-destructive way possible. And hey, she kind of succeeded."
Sayaka shrugs, making a disgusted, thoughtful look.
"So she's a stupid martyr," she concludes. "Suicidal, and tried to get you to kill her. Actually..." Sayaka gives Homura a faintly baffled look. "Something I don't really get is what's your problem with Mikuni, anyway? I mean I get you have something against her, but I dunno what."
Homura stirs, amethyst gaze locked onto you.
"Why are you arguing for her?" Homura's voice is quiet, lower than it usually is. Steely, tight and terrifyingly controlled.
[] Answer Homura
- [] Write-in
[] Sayaka
- [] Let Homura field that question
- [] Cut in
[] Elaborate more on...
- [] Oriko's background and traummas
-- [] What aspects?
- [] Oriko's precognition
-- [] What aspects?
[X] Vote in abeyance
- [] With changes?
[] Write-in
[X] Rules: Do not reveal loops, do not witchbomb, do not potential bomb. Do not interrupt others, break update for vote if a response is required that is not covered by this vote. Sabrina's tone should be calm, thoughtful, conciliatory. No braindamage, full serious mode.
[X] Cover Kirika's wish, its results, what you said about it to Oriko in On A Rail 31, her reaction, and the implications involved in all of it.
[X] The house arrest is unhealthy and problematic, and you would like to set up some different arrangement if they (M, H, S) will accept it. That doesn't mean that O&K should just be free to do whatever they want or etcetera -- but you have some thoughts on alternatives, and if they (M, H, S) have any ideas you'd really like to hear them.
-[X] Change imprisonment location. Add electronic security to location.
-[X] Add mundane and magical tracking to O&K. Mami tracking ribbon and house arrest ankle tracker as concrete examples.
-[X] Scheduled outings with guard(s) -- prisoners get yard time, after all.
-[X] Bring up having a Sayaklone guard.
-[X] Continued community service.
-[X] Any anti-magic used on security measures, or other sort of break-out attempt, escalates our response and their punishment. Make this clear to O&K.
-[X] If proposal is insufficiently punishing, ask what would be sufficient.
[X] OOC meta-note: Take as much screen-time as needed to fully detail Sabrina's motives, position, and thoughts on the matter, even if it takes multiple updates or requires a time-skip to preserve proper story flow. We've repeatedly run into issues where Sabrina breezed through things that votes had intended to go over more fully, or had Sabrina act in ways counter to the intent of the vote, due to the "150 words of vague direction" limitation. I'm utterly ignoring that limitation here, because I think it would do vastly more harm than good to try to play wordgames instead of actually addressing the update.
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Apologies, I'd hoped to get this up yesterday, but it was a busy weekend.
[] Answer Homura
-[A] Why is the sky blue?
-[В] My Mom thought I should.
-[C] I'm here to help.
-[D] Noi!
Well, we argue for her because we like her well enough to think she doesn't deserve to die or go insane, right? Now, how to explain it to Homura, and, harder still, how to convince her to accept it?
Homura veritably hates Oriko.
It think that telling Homura that Madokami might have provided Sabrina with the knowledge about Oriko in order to allow us to care and help her... has some problems.
Canon Homura demonstrated that she can and will set even Madoka's opinion aside if it threatens her wellbeing. In fact, we might jumpstart a Rebellion... somehow.
I have no ideas. If we decided to explain the cause of our actions, my previous plan holds no ground, so yeah.
Does anyone have any interesting insights?
I wish we can point out the murder of Madoka's does not give her the right to murder countless past iterations of O & K even after that she still have her grudge today.
But no the promise made and her trauma pretty hold our tongue.
Daily reminder that not everything has to happen immediately, or even as soon as possible. It's possible to leave saving Oriko and Kirika for later, and see if the situation improves such that it's more possible to persuade others.
A month or even a year can pass faster than most people appreciate, and there's no shame in putting things on hold for that long if there's no other option available.
