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You know, if everything were to go wrong for Anri and Hijiri, if we couldn't help them, even if we had to put them on ice, and basically failed our mission here beyond our most basic goals...

We'll still know we've done something right:
Firnagzen said:
"Why the Kures?" Kazumi asks.
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:V

Also, imagine if Oriko were to not only make progress with Anri, but somehow out of her own initiative, get Anri to agree to join her as a prisoner at Oriko's place.

Imagine that.

Wouldn't that forcefully require us to give Oriko hugs?
 
What's next everyone?

Are we optimizing for Hijiri next step?

[A] If we don't go out to prempt her return, Kazumi might create some illusions to prevent a tragic conflict at the Pleiades dwellings, give her the idea.
[A] Must get Kazumi to sideline Niko from contact with Hijiri. Maybe Niko can try something with us?
- [A] Would our Grief visualization enchantment be a good starting point?
- [A] Cake? Crepes?
- [A] Encourage her to roleplay her next encounter with Hijiri. Mami can make a Hijiri chibi for her to act with?

[A] Telepathy Hijiri.
- [A] Not gonna leave girls in tears. Besides, getting the feeling we didn't get to exchange meaning before we parted.
- [A] Now that you are a Magical Girl, ettiquette is vital to living. Kazumi needs to know why and what you intend next.
- [A] Teel us about Yuuri, Anri should have mentioned her.
- [A] You talked to Kyuubey, now compare what we say
- [A] Do Not talk about any conflict with Anri. Only if she stays hung on topic, you reply "she will be off telepathy for a cooldown. You can come speak to her soon."
[A] Who can make a second enchantment to place a telepathy scrambler on Anri, as backup if she tries to ditch anti-magic charm.



Done here for today?

[orB] Immigration concerns, act on them.

[orB] Meet the Illusionist Kyuubey mentioned. Or ask someone else? Not using her magic to hide your Grief, but your suspicion is that she might be needed later. And investigate, because the mention of Kyuubey is a curse, unto itself. Maybe she needs help?


Or focus on the White One?

[orI] Who was the Magical Girl that became Aurora, and what does he know about her friends?

[orI] Ask it if there are other containers possible for Grief than Soul Gems, Grief Seeds and humans. What principles are necessary?

[orI] It needs the Grief, not the Seed? Ask it if you can have one of the Seeds back after the 'processing.'
 
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And now we totally need to make Kirika some sort of Chibi Oriko toy.

We literally can't not do it.

Sabrina's cuter, though!
 
HeroCycle said:
[A] If we don't go out to prempt her return, Kazumi might create some illusions to prevent a tragic conflict at the Pleiades dwellings, give her the idea.
[A] Must get Kazumi to sideline Niko from contact with Hijiri. Maybe Niko can try something with us?
- [A] Would our Grief visualization enchantment be a good starting point?
- [A] Cake? Crepes?
- [A] Encourage her to roleplay her next encounter with Hijiri. Mami can make a Hijiri chibi for her to act with?
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I'm having a lot of trouble parsing what you mean here.

Who's "return" do we need to "pre-empt" to "avoid tragic conflict"? Hijiri's, to the Pleiades home base? If so, what illusions of Kazumi's do you imagine would be effective against Hijiri?

Also, since we're dealing with Airi's interview at the moment, and QB demands a response, now really isn't the time.

Why must Kazumi sideline Niko from contacting Hijiri? Niko and Hijiri coming to understand each other through dialogue is an excellent outcome. Did you mean preventing Airi from contacting Hijiri?

What's a "grief visualization enchantment"? Distracting Niko with enchantment and/or baking would indeed prevent her from contacting Hijiri (but we want her to contact Hijiri, so that's a bad idea), but roleplaying the discussion would probably help Niko when she does contact Hijiri (which is what you say you want to sideline, meaning prevent).

This post is basically entirely incoherent: I can't tell what you even want to do, and I especially have no idea why you want to do it. Please, try to unpack your thoughts and explain more clearly what it is you want.
 
HeroCycle said:
[A] Telepathy Hijiri.
- [A] Not gonna leave girls in tears. Besides, getting the feeling we didn't get to exchange meaning before we parted.
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- [A] We're never going to give up on you.
- [A] We're never gonna let you down.
- [A] We're never gonna run around and desert you.
- [A] We... just wanna tell you how we're feeling... Got to make you understand...

Hmm. Is Kyuubey-telepathy more like a text channel, or does it support music?
 
[ ] Create Grief Mind Probe
[ ] Insert into Kyubey
[ ] Download EVERYTHING.

Shame it'd probably either fail or cause major issues.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I'm having a lot of trouble parsing what you mean here.
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Who's "return" do we need to "pre-empt" to "avoid tragic conflict"? Hijiri's, to the Pleiades home base?
- Exactly. Niko predicts that "she will come back." This might not be friendly. We really can't read Hijiri well yet, so preventing major breaches of trust is a good strategy?

If so, what illusions of Kazumi's do you imagine would be effective against Hijiri?
- Honeypot diversions, either objects or people that an intruding Hijiri would be inclined to mess with.

Also, since we're dealing with Airi's interview at the moment, and QB demands a response, now really isn't the time.
- fair choice.
- Adding an idea
-- [orI] Ask Kyuubey about the movement and fate of Grief that disperses when you have sent it outside your control range? It may be eager to understand such a technical issue, or already did a long time ago? We would like to understand the ecology-wide patterns of Grief.

Why must Kazumi sideline Niko from contacting Hijiri? Niko and Hijiri coming to understand each other through dialogue is an excellent outcome. Did you mean preventing Airi from contacting Hijiri?
- Not the right time.
- Operating under the theory that Hijiri is still major unstable, and not using her emotional abilities with detailed control ATM. I am predicting a fight, leading to a setback in their relationship if this doesn't cool down first.
- My best goal state is that they can become sisters. That includes some potential or requirement for fights. But helping the two of them define and reduce the pain is a major positive for successful adoption.
- Anri must not contact anyone without a better insight for us into her. Infohazards are one reason. She must not contact Hijiri particularly. We wish to break up the 'loser feedback' they were engaging in. Right now, Anri has been seen making sick choices.

What's a "grief visualization enchantment"?
- in a prior experimenting session, Sabrina made a flat panel display of her Grief sense to examine Oriko IIRC. That idea might be an enabling technology for Niko, if she can adopt and copy it.

Distracting Niko with enchantment and/or baking would indeed prevent her from contacting Hijiri (but we want her to contact Hijiri, so that's a bad idea), but roleplaying the discussion would probably help Niko when she does contact Hijiri (which is what you say you want to sideline, meaning prevent).
- Sideline as in delay. Prevent now, execute later. Roleplay would be a very fine course of action, if we can enable it. Maybe one of our most helpful choices? Feel free to promote it.

This post is basically entirely incoherent: I can't tell what you even want to do,
- New Years celebration - 100% effective? Sorry about that.

If you wish to get into further detail, please use my inbox / conversation. I'm trying not to go too at length in-thread. Oops ehehe....


@Higure
Nice, except getting a storage medium to hold the accumulated engram states and library of something this far beyond humanity miiiight result in awful SciFi comedy moment. Make the omake, please!
 
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Wirikidor said:
- [A] We're never going to give up on you.
- [A] We're never gonna let you down.
- [A] We're never gonna run around and desert you.
- [A] We... just wanna tell you how we're feeling... Got to make you understand...

Hmm. Is Kyuubey-telepathy more like a text channel, or does it support music?
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*it's now in my ears, and won't go away* :V
 
TJSomething said:
Kyuubey: Probably because I'm a manipulative sociopath with a long history of contracting. I don't understand how you keep forgetting that.
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If you think about it, Kyubey is directly or indirectly responsible for literally everything that has happened throughout the entire course of human history. You can blame it for absolutely anything and be at worst technically correct.

Unrelated, a weird logistical issue just occurred to me:
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"I'll send them in for their interview~" Kazumi says, flashing you a grin as she turns and saunters out of the sphere.
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I'd been wondering a while ago why we don't keep a privacy sphere on hand for these sorts of meetings, since it's inconvenient to keep having to stop to make them (witchiness aside), but then I remembered that it was because, unless I'm grievously misremembering, we designed our privacy sphere as a one-way absolute interdiction sphere: Things can get in fine, but absolutely nothing can leave on a conceptual level, to ensure it's absolutely leak-proof to memetic/information hazards, which means in turn that you have to tear the whole thing down to get out of it.

Kazumi just casually sauntered out of hers, which could mean one or more of a few things, including but not limited to:
-She modified her copy to allow her to leave it
-It's an imperfect copy, which means its integrity and capacity to contain infohazards is in question
-The integrity and capacity to contain infohazards of Sayaka's privacy bubble is now also in question

On the other hand, I also just remembered us dragging one across Oriko's living room, with no mention of it dragging miscellaneous items along with it, so I'd appreciate it if someone would check me on that; it's a key OpSec component where Kyubey is concerned, so ensuring they're all working as intended is important. Presumably, our grief-hugging Mami didn't count, because our control radius exists concurrently with the sphere; light entered, so we knew what we were doing, but nothing actually left per se. That said, it is technically a loophole, which we should keep in mind should we encounter anyone with analogous powers.

The weird logistical issue I mentioned is actually separate, though: We just left two people (soon three) in one, none of whom are the creator. How do they get out? We don't want Kazumi casually rocking up in there to see if they're done because it could set off Anri, but we don't know when they'll be done, and they have no way to signal us from the inside by design.
 
We've gone across the border of our own privacy spheres before. Kirika also left our privacy sphere during an earlier discussion without us having to explicitly "let her out". I suspect whatever level it ensures privacy with is more conceptual than just an information-theoretic impassable barrier.
 
When we say that "no information can leave the sphere," we mean it like how a layperson would interpret it, and not like how "no information can escape the event horizon of a black hole."

In other words, it blocks all light, sound, transmission (presumably), telepathy (judging by Homura having to come get us in person when Sayaka met Kyouko) and probably teleportation and whatever extra-dimensional bullshit Kyubey does. It doesn't stop people from leaving. It's a privacy sphere, not a prison sphere.
 
So I'd like to think about KB's objective, here. Why it popped up now, when it could pop up anytime if it just wanted to terrorize Mami.

Earlier, we told Kazumi and Niko that KB is the cause of all this shit. And Niko's really not doing well right now.

KB will cause trouble simply by being here:

It may manipulate Kazumi and Niko into double guessing us, confronting our word with its own.

It could cause despair simply by forcing us in the know to share the truth about it being a dick.

Niko could have a bad reaction at it being here.

If we forcefully eject it, the Pleiades will feel betrayed since they don't yet know about KB.

...

OK, how about this?

[ ] Telepathy Kazumi: Pretend everything is well. Kyuubey is here. Niko may react badly to seeing it right now, and the rest of the Pleiades don't know.
-[ ] Hide KB from view?
[ ] Ask KB what does it want. Priorities:
-[ ] Get KB to leave ASAP.
-[ ] Prevent it from worsening your image in front of the Pleiades.
-[ ] Keep comforting Mami.
-[ ] Keep it away from Niko.
-[ ] ...
-[ ] Demonstrate KB's manipulations to Kazumi?

Something something?
 
If it just wanted Niko to react badly, it would have appeared to her directly. I think KB is here just to see what's up and cause trouble based on its findings. I'm not going to assign it omniscient social ability when it clearly doesn't have that.
 
So, my first instinct was to say something like this:

[] We don't want to hear any complaints about making extra work for him. As far as we're concerned, he brought this mess on himself by contracting Airi and Hijiri and encouraging their violent tendencies.

But possibly we should just keep it simple:

[] "Not now. We're busy cleaning up your mess."
[] Pick Kyubey up with a grief hand and (non-violently, because the Pleiades are watching) move him as far away as possible.
 
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