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Racoras said:
.... Was that phrasing mandated by the winning vote, or Brina-pilot?
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It wasn't mandated. The winning vote, by a large margin, was this:

[x] Short-interval update. We probably need to get an exchange in before Anri arrives.
[x] Simultaneously: Searching
-[x] Get Mami back to combat readiness. Hand tracking off to other sensors - grief telescope, Mami - and disengage from ribbons.
-[x] Retreat, buy time to talk.
[x] Simultaneously: Allies.
-[x] You've found Yuuri. You're going to try to talk. Form a perimeter, but don't come in yet.
-[x] Do O&K think they can help social?
[x] Simultaneously, Hijiri.
-[x] You're going to try to talk to Anri.
-[x] All you want is for everyone to be able to live free and peaceful lives. Hijiri and Anri too.
-[x] Ask her to help you talk down Anri. She's probably the only person that has a chance.
-[x] Don't push. Don't set expectations. Hijiri needs to choose this for herself.
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None of the runner-up or draft votes contained the "we can't help" phrasing either - nor, indeed, did any post at all discussing our future plans of actions.

Feel free to look it up yourself to confirm - I spent quite a while double-checking. This was not the players fault.
 
Redshirt Army said:
It was Brina-pilot fucking things up. Literally none of the votes, including drafts, included that phrasing. Additionally, literally no vote related posts from the last update cycle included the string "can't help". This wasn't our fault.

I suppose this means we're going back to picking direct phrasings in quotation marks now, instead of intent based votes.
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perhaps... but we can't do direct phrasing votes, with all the needed conditionals inside the current word limits and the shorter votes does allow for more people to follow the votes and try to make votes.

We need to work out the best way to phrase our intent so Brina-Pilot knows what we want as an endstate and/or the parameters and for the situation.
 
I had that impression but didn't want to say it. That phrasing was just about the worst possible thing that Sabrina could have said. It gave Hijiri an obvious response that completely destroyed her trust in us and closed the conversation instantly.

But, just because I can, like with other major deviations, I'm going to see what could be concluded from an assumption of intent and "best of all possible worlds". So, basically, what powerful response is available now that wouldn't have been available if Sabrina had said what we'd voted for?

I think that the answer is a motivational speech - "Yeah, it's hard - so you're just going to give up?". We can't give it to her, she has to work for it, and that'll make it so much more satisfying when she gets it. It'll be hers. It won't been given to her, if won't have fallen into her hands, it won't be a gift, she'll have claimed it with her own hands. But not if she gives up at the first sign of trouble. Right now she's just going with the flow, the path of least resistance. It's easy to give up on your dreams. That's what the world wants. If she wants a future that she chose herself, she can't pick one that's easy.

"You think it's impossible because I can't give it to you? Ironic."
 
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Vebyast said:
I had that impression but didn't want to say it. That phrasing was just about the worst possible thing that Sabrina could have said. It gave Hijiri an obvious response that completely destroyed her trust in us and closed the conversation instantly.

But, just because I can, like with other major deviations, I'm going to see what could be concluded from an assumption of intent and "best of all possible worlds". So, basically, what powerful response is available now that wasn't available if Sabrina had said what we'd voted for?

I think that the answer is a motivational speech - "So you're just going to give up?". We can't give it to her, she has to work for it, and that'll make it so much more satisfying when she gets it. It'll be hers. It won't been given to her, if won't have fallen into her hands, it won't be a gift if, she'll have claimed it with her own hands. But not if she gives up at the first sign of trouble. Right now she's just going with the flow, the path of least resistance. It's easy to give up on your dreams. That's what the world wants. If she wants a future that she chose herself, she can't pick one that's easy.
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I'm inclined to agree with you - of all of the "talk to her" approaches raised, I believe yours has the best chance of working - it's undoubtedly the best recovery from the current setup.

I'd recommend keeping a grip on her soul gem just in case - if we get through to her, then doing so won't matter, and if she tries to run, then it lets us handle the situation far more effectively.

Write up a vote to that effect and I'll vote for it. You'll probably consolidate a lot of the others unwilling to just let her go too. I maintain that just setting her free is a dumb idea that we'll regret heavily later - if nothing else then because of the major loss of trust and respect from the Pleiades for fucking it up.

We were the ones pushing for leniency, and if that leads to situations like Hijiri escaping, people are going to stop listening to us and believing in us to handle things.
 
Vebyast said:
I think that the answer is a motivational speech - "Yeah, it's hard - so you're just going to give up?". We can't give it to her, she has to work for it, and that'll make it so much more satisfying when she gets it. It'll be hers. It won't been given to her, if won't have fallen into her hands, it won't be a gift, she'll have claimed it with her own hands. But not if she gives up at the first sign of trouble. Right now she's just going with the flow, the path of least resistance. It's easy to give up on your dreams. That's what the world wants. If she wants a future that she chose herself, she can't pick one that's easy.
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That's pretty much the intent, but that part got cut off by Hijiri throwing a tantrum and activating teleport.

We were trying to phrase things better to get a higher chance of success...

To be honest, I think the point of the microupdate was "Hijiri's not in a listening mood, she's not gonna listen to anything we say right now. She scared teen, she lash out until she hits brick wall and then keeps kicking the wall."

So I'm dubious whether the better wording would have actually helped.

I have mixed feelings.

I don't think Hijiri has suffered the consequences of her actions, and I'm not saying this for the sake of punishment, I'm saying this because people learn hot to move in the world by their experiences.

We've done... very little talking with Hijiri about how her actions were not good. If we had had, say, many hours of talking, trying to get her to regret her actions, with waiting times in betweem, if we had solidly made the case to Hijiri about right and wrong in her actions, if she had had to actually sit a long time and stew on it, maybe then letting her go would be great, because she would have to consider it.

As it is, we've been carrying her, and she's been complaining about the unfairness of it all, for minutes. If she's let free now, I don't think she's gonna regret her actions, only the fact that she got caught.

Furthermore, teenagers need to learn limits, like "don't try to solve problems with violence", "don't break in and steal and break things from any place"; there's a balance between control and freedom that's necessary for a teen to not feel abandoned, and even in the best case that Hijiri leaves without fighting... she'd have complete freedom. Which sounds awesome, but also means abandonment.

To put in a few words, I don't think there are good choices to make. Every choice will have at least some things go wrong, and we're to pick the less worse one. This is my view, at least.

Considering Hijiri's issues, I would like an alternative to gemming her and to letting her go.

That would mean capture without gemming, and as it's been discussed, that's not easy enough we can assure it'll work, either...
 
Onmur said:
Considering Hijiri's issues, I would like an alternative to gemming her and to letting her go.
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Track or chase her and involve Sayaka in catching her.

Or solidify a the grief in our range to intercept her before she leaves our range. Hijiri numbed the fog and screwed with our motor control. She didn't blow it to bits. Whether or not that's because it didn't have bits to be blown into is another matter but, so far as we've seen, even Kirika couldn't blow it to bits.
 
[X] Onmur

I doubt we can get an opening to behead her, rather than gemming her, so...yeah.

If we can find way to save the 'guca later, we should, but our allies come first. Loyalty is a thing.
 
Magical girl proprioception does not extend to the soul gem. And we've already seen once what happens when you grab the soul gem off someone that's teleporting away. Grabbing Hijiri's soul gem, with no indication that we've done so, is gemming her.

I think that keeping her contained with solid grief will give us enough time to talk to her.

But I'm not sure that we have the opening to specify two things like that.

[] Wall her in with grief to defend yourself and give yourself time for a last message.
[x] Challenge her commitment. She's giving up because it can't be given to her? Ironic. If she wants a future she can claim as her own, that isn't a handout or the path of least resistance, she'll need to work for it.
 
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You need to do it right.



[Q] Complain to Oriko that she didn't stop us.

[Q] Ask the Mumiquest thread whether Mami's Ribbon on Hijiri will make it through the lightning magic travel effect.
 
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Onmur said:
[Q] Complain to Oriko that she didn't stop us.
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Twist: Oriko and Kirika are having tea and cakes in the cafe Hijiri will land in.

Hijiri: what the hell? [Finds she can't teleport]
Oriko: Oh thats Kirika, she has anti-magic, much like you really. Tea?
Hijiri: whats all this about?
Oriko: Your being chased by a rather determined white haired girl, I thought I would save you the trouble of just making yourself tired and give you time to think.
Hijiri: How about you just take that idea and shove -
Oriko: Or Kirika here can cut off your legs [Cue Kirika flashing her knives]
Hijiri:..... thinking is nice.
 
I am not okay with letting Hijiri just up and leave. The actions she has taken today are not acceptable. She does not get to commit crimes, cry dramatically about the universe as if doing so justifies those crimes, and then just up and leave. It sets an unacceptable precedent, and the Pleiades expect us to not allow it (and rightly so, may I add!).

Fighting her is undesirable, but her leaving is unacceptable.

[X] Stop Hijiri from leaving.
[X] Also, headshot Anri.
[X] Recap, in a very short summary, what Hijiri has done today for her. She committed burglary and assault, said some chuuni shit about nobody being able to help with her unique problems that nobody can understand, and then tried to run away afterwards like she hadn't done anything.
-[X] Does she not understand the depth of the hole she is digging for herself? Many groups would have killed her for what she did in the first place, and she is very lucky that that is neither the Pleiades nor Mitakihara. You are trying to construct a situation where you don't have to help kick her out of her hometown, which would result in people dying elsewhere because territory. But you are not about to set a precedent of people walking over you because they're troubled middleschoolers.
 
Can we just knock out Anri and not appear as if we're killing her in cold blood? A headshot leaves a serious and permanent mark on us as someone who can kill without hesitation.
 
I dun really know what other people think is smart to do, but I'd like to propagate the "[] Stop Hijiri from leaving." I could care less what we do about Anri, and I mean, maybe somebody has a better social option, but I think the best first line is those four words. Let Firn sort out all the myriad tools we have for stopping her from leaving and employ all of them simultaneously.

Idk.

As for Anri, I don't think we have a nonlethal ranged weapon. We could sic the Pleiades on her though.
 
Then we should just bind and knock Anri out. We know it's possible to knock a meguca out. Homura did it with Sayaka in canon.
 
After that update, I really don't think talking to Hijiri is going to work. She needs to sit down and think, without the option to break out magically and keep flailing about.

[ ] Stop Hijiri.
-[ ] If you can't, tell the Pleiades; they'll catch her. You'll apologize later.

The easy way to deal with Anri is taking into account she's rushing towards our position.

[ ] Anri:
-[ ] Gem her as soon as she's in range.
--[ ] If possible, have Mami distract her before you take your chance.
 
Muramasa said:
Then we should just bind and knock Anri out. We know it's possible to knock a meguca out. Homura did it with Sayaka in canon.
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She's out of range atm, though maybe not for Mami. We'd need Mami to do it which... She probably can tbh.

[X] Stop Hijiri from leaving.
[X] Have Mami ribbon-lock Anri. If it doesn't work ask the Pleiades to move on her.
[X] Recap, in a very short summary, what Hijiri has done today for her. She committed burglary and assault, said some chuuni shit about nobody being able to help with her unique problems that nobody can understand, and then tried to run away afterwards like she hadn't done anything.
-[X] Does she not understand the depth of the hole she is digging for herself? Many groups would have killed her for what she did in the first place, and she is very lucky that that is neither the Pleiades nor Mitakihara. You are trying to construct a situation where you don't have to help kick her out of her hometown, which would result in people dying elsewhere because territory. But you are not about to set a precedent of people walking over you because they're troubled middleschoolers.
 
Kaizuki said:
I am not okay with letting Hijiri just up and leave. The actions she has taken today are not acceptable. She does not get to commit crimes, cry dramatically about the universe as if doing so justifies those crimes, and then just up and leave. It sets an unacceptable precedent, and the Pleiades expect us to not allow it (and rightly so, may I add!).

Fighting her is undesirable, but her leaving is unacceptable.
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100% agree.
 
E: cleanse.

[X] Continuous cleanse on Mami. Infinite magical power.
[X] Stop Hijiri from leaving.
[X] Have Mami ribbon-lock Anri. If it doesn't work ask the Pleiades to move on her.
[X] Recap, in a very short summary, what Hijiri has done today for her. She committed burglary and assault, said some chuuni shit about nobody being able to help with her unique problems that nobody can understand, and then tried to run away afterwards like she hadn't done anything.
-[X] Does she not understand the depth of the hole she is digging for herself? Many groups would have killed her for what she did in the first place, and she is very lucky that that is neither the Pleiades nor Mitakihara. You are trying to construct a situation where you don't have to help kick her out of her hometown, which would result in people dying elsewhere because territory. But you are not about to set a precedent of people walking over you because they're troubled middleschoolers.
 
Kaizuki said:
E: cleanse.

[X] Continuous cleanse on Mami. Infinite magical power.
[X] Stop Hijiri from leaving.
[X] Have Mami ribbon-lock Anri. If it doesn't work ask the Pleiades to move on her.
[X] Recap, in a very short summary, what Hijiri has done today for her. She committed burglary and assault, said some chuuni shit about nobody being able to help with her unique problems that nobody can understand, and then tried to run away afterwards like she hadn't done anything.
-[X] Does she not understand the depth of the hole she is digging for herself? Many groups would have killed her for what she did in the first place, and she is very lucky that that is neither the Pleiades nor Mitakihara. You are trying to construct a situation where you don't have to help kick her out of her hometown, which would result in people dying elsewhere because territory. But you are not about to set a precedent of people walking over you because they're troubled middleschoolers.
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We get one thing. This is not one thing.
 
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