Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Madou Sutegobana
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But shouldn't small enough particles penetrate even the ground?
[X] Redshirt Army
*In case I forgot to vote already*
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Yessss... You have seen the inferiority of your vote! I have wonered!
Soon, my voting power will be strong enough to make everyone do whatever I want... IRL!
Once my voting powers grow strong enough, I will make people do things, like give each other real headpats! Have Ugo and Mura confess their true feelings! Collaborate to defeat Global Warming! Meow every five sentences! And worse! I'll force people to be excellent to one another!
The world doesn't know what's in for.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Everyone who was doing calculations took that into account. Further, firn revised that figure upward by about 10x when it was made clear that we intended to fill Sabrina's entire 100m control radius, rather than just the nearest 50m, and I noted that we could revise that figure upward by another ~60x by using 1 nm spheres, which scatter light much less efficiently than the 1 micron spheres firn was using. Bottom line is our cloud carrying capacity is hundreds of times greater than our current volume of Grief, and could be greater than even that if we do a mix of 1nm and 5 micron spheres, which is probably a better idea for a utility cloud anyway.
I wouldn't be doing it for Kyubey, but for the thousands of people who the Incubators are regularly mind-wiping because we want to be petty and spiteful to the Kardeshev Type III race who can decide to wipe out our entire species on a whim if it decided to.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Good thing they don't do 'whims'.
Do more people want to try it, though? I know it's not a strict limit, but we are over 150 words already... if more people pitch in saying they want to try camouflage, we add it?
I'm personally in the "we're getting stealth later, so nvm" camp.
Making more work for KB is a good thing!
Why? All it accomplishes is putting Sabrina higher on its shit list. Is spite really a good reason to keep sending the Incubators off to mind-rape a bunch of civilians every time we decide to fly by them?
- Location
- USA
I wonder if they could turn that into some form of guilt/bomb for us... depends how precise and minimalist they are with their mind wipes. "Well you see, those two had just had an unlikely love confession / argument reconciliation / etc when they saw you, and when we wiped them it never re-happened" or maybe instead "when we had to cover up your unscheduled supersonic flight, half a dozen Air Force personnel got called up on charges for unapproved joyrides in military equipment".
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
It's not for Kyubey's sake. It's to fool Kyubey into thinking that we're falling for his schtick. If we play along from time to time to keep him from realizing how much we hate his guts, he might make fragging us a lower priority.
Keep in mind that it's me saying that. The guy who dreams fondly of wiping the Incubators out with relativistic orbital bombardment. I'm not doing anything for Kyubey's sake. Kyubey is conning us, so let's con the fucker right back.
(I also don't entirely trust this stealth enchantment he wants us to get. It could serve some other purpose that we're not aware of.)
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
If KB is busy protecting magic secrecy, at the very least that's a little less time to hang around Potentials and meguca.
And I really, really doubt this changes our position in KB's shitlist one way or the other. As long as we agreed to get the stealthenchant sometime soon, we're just fine. KB doesn't take offense, nor does it feel gratitude.
The mind rape thing... is exaggerated. Yes, KB messes with people's memories all the time. Those people basically lose a few seconds worth of new memories now and then; less than if they went and got drunk.
Basically, I don't think it's important enough to go and do something about it, beyond walking into an alleway instead of transforming in the streets. Anything beyond that...
We already went and did KB a favour by figuring out Utility Fog, though? Do we really need more than that?
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
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- Here
[crack]
What if Kyuubey doesn't mind wipe people? He just shows up and offers them free drinks for an hour?
If he successfully gets them drunk enough to forget, then great! Problem solved!
If they refuse then there's a chance the flying girl+fractal sphere swarm was pushed out of their memory by the not!talking cat bunny thing standing in defiance of gravity on a wall.
If they remember both, then any attempt to tell other people must now include "and then a magic white cat thing offered me free booze" which doesn't do wonders for their credibility.
Kyuubey wants us to stop being noticed because it's tiring and time consuming to listen to people ramble drunkenly for hours each day.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
I would like to try camouflage of some variety. This isn't just about Kyuubey. IIRC, we were talking about related issues on the Discord well before Kyuubey suggested it.Good thing they don't do 'whims'.
Do more people want to try it, though? I know it's not a strict limit, but we are over 150 words already... if more people pitch in saying they want to try camouflage, we add it?
I'm personally in the "we're getting stealth later, so nvm" camp.
Making more work for KB is a good thing!
Besides which, we're doing this with what are, effectively, LEDs. This technology leads in to a whole lot more than just stealth. Want to play something on a screen of our own make? Same tech. Color our grief? Again, same tech. Even if we use another method, such as metamaterial based coloration, the same thing that applies to camouflage also applies to making grief non-purple in any other setting.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Apologize profusely, make sure Mami's OK, and explain what you did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask if she'll help you with your range this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog as long as it doesn't bother your friends; rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
[X] Test whether...
-[X] ... creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not.
-[X] ... your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
-[X] Try to camouflage your MOF without active Grief.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask if she'll help you with your range this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog as long as it doesn't bother your friends; rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
[X] Test whether...
-[X] ... creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not.
-[X] ... your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
-[X] Try to camouflage your MOF without active Grief.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
As long as we're playing with optical effects, can we make an invisibility field out of pure grief by redirecting light around us with a series of grief mirrors?
This would probably be much easier for the flying case (showing a fuzzy-edged patch of sky to the ground is a lot easier and still much less conspicuous than what we're doing now) than the general one.
This would probably be much easier for the flying case (showing a fuzzy-edged patch of sky to the ground is a lot easier and still much less conspicuous than what we're doing now) than the general one.
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Madou Sutegobana
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- Twin Realms Mandala
I'm really not okay with this ship. It feels like harrassing Ugo and Mura.
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
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- On a train with no brakes
What even is 'more work' for an incubator, precisely? Given that he's a globe-spanning entity with an effectively infinite number of bodies (which he needs to be, to manage all of Earth's meguca simultaneously), nothing we do is really going to cause him to expend significantly more effort than he already is. It's like killing his drone bodies: He doesn't dislike it because it actually harms or inconveniences him, he dislikes it because it's a pointless waste of energy.
He doesn't even have the emotional capacity to be irritated, or to appreciate our spite for him: While yes, it is his responsibility to uphold the masquerade, and thus not our problem per say, from a moral perspective, we're getting people brainwashed en masse for literally no reason besides our own convenience and maybe catharsis.
As long as the incubator is cordial with us, I don't see any reason not to be cordial with him, vis a vis a professional business relationship. Hell, this is why he's trying to sell us on mutual benefit in the first place; he knows we know he thinks of us as an obstacle to getting the 'dokes, which makes us enemies and disinclined to listen to his requests unless we get something out of it.
He doesn't even have the emotional capacity to be irritated, or to appreciate our spite for him: While yes, it is his responsibility to uphold the masquerade, and thus not our problem per say, from a moral perspective, we're getting people brainwashed en masse for literally no reason besides our own convenience and maybe catharsis.
As long as the incubator is cordial with us, I don't see any reason not to be cordial with him, vis a vis a professional business relationship. Hell, this is why he's trying to sell us on mutual benefit in the first place; he knows we know he thinks of us as an obstacle to getting the 'dokes, which makes us enemies and disinclined to listen to his requests unless we get something out of it.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
[X]Onmur
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
Canon seems to indicate that Kyubey's attention and multitasking isn't infinite. The entire plot of Oriko Magica depends on it being possible for Oriko to keep Kyubey distracted so that he doesn't gets around to approaching Madoka until much later.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Doesn't QB basically mock her at the end of it and say it was aware all along?
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
I can't recall. It's been a couple years. I'll check when I get home.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
The conversation itself doesn't read that way to me. I'm looking at a couple different translations of Oriko Magica's penultimate chapter and both of them phrase Kyuubey's words like he recently found out about Madoka, though his lines at the announcement before the battle at school do make the timeframe a little more ambiguous. (It's Sadness Prayer that gets it from "a little ambiguous" to "likely knew all along")
In addition, there's also PMAS itself: After Sayaka's apartment came down with a bad case of arson, we asked Kyuubey about other victims. His response was "I don't know" followed by a suggestion to check the news.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Also, in PMAS didn't Kyubey bail on us during our first training session to go contract Oriko? No need for him to do that if he can be omnipresent. And something made him miss his chance to contract Nagisa.
(Turns out I don't have a copy of Sadness Prayer on hand, just Symmetry Diamond and Noisy Citrine.)
(Turns out I don't have a copy of Sadness Prayer on hand, just Symmetry Diamond and Noisy Citrine.)