I really don't like the current vote. Yes going to the next room isn't technically leaving her and we are telling Mami we'll be here if she needs us. But fundamentally we are leaving Mami! And she'll know it.

I'm not really good at writing votes but given the alternative I have to try.

[X] Stay
[X] "No. I told you I'm not going to leave you and I'll keep telling you that until you understand; I'm never going to abandon you!"
[X] Continue Cleansing, both of you, as needed.

Just because it felt impolite not to say something:

I see where you're coming from, but I honestly am afraid that this will exacerbate things. It's been my experience that, in real life, staying when you're told to go away results in Everybody Hates Everybody Else, and I don't want that to happen here. The kitchen was previously mentioned to be open to the living room, so I think it's an effective compromise of "go away" and "stay nearby".
 
Just because it felt impolite not to say something:

Thanks. It's always awkward when you put a vote out there and no one comments on it.

I see where you're coming from, but I honestly am afraid that this will exacerbate things. It's been my experience that, in real life, staying when you're told to go away results in Everybody Hates Everybody Else, and I don't want that to happen here. The kitchen was previously mentioned to be open to the living room, so I think it's an effective compromise of "go away" and "stay nearby".

Personally I've found it depends upon the person in question. Some people when they tell you to go away mean it (and staying causes issues) but others actually want you to stay when they so go (I will never understand some people :jackiechan:).

So the question is; which type of person is Mami?

Given that the running theme in her life has been people leaving her and it been all her fault I really doubt she actually wants us to leave.

This is, in my opinion anyway, backed up by how she couldn't even finish telling us to go away and burst into tears immediately afterwards.

In fact this happened just after we told her we meant everything we told her. This really feels like she's (probably unintentionally) testing Sabrina to see if she really means it or if she'll just leave Mami like everyone else has.
 
Thanks. It's always awkward when you put a vote out there and no one comments on it.



Personally I've found it depends upon the person in question. Some people when they tell you to go away mean it (and staying causes issues) but others actually want you to stay when they so go (I will never understand some people :jackiechan:).

So the question is; which type of person is Mami?

Given that the running theme in her life has been people leaving her and it been all her fault I really doubt she actually wants us to leave.

This is, in my opinion anyway, backed up by how she couldn't even finish telling us to go away and burst into tears immediately afterwards.

In fact this happened just after we told her we meant everything we told her. This really feels like she's (probably unintentionally) testing Sabrina to see if she really means it or if she'll just leave Mami like everyone else has.

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Ugghhhhhh I know what you mean but I've never been in a situation *this terrible* where leaving wasn't the right option. Staying just resulted in screaming and more tears and not actually resolving the problem, just one side giving in.

Social-fu is SO DIFFICULT UGH.
 
[x] Cannongerbil

How viable would it be to start crying from the sheer frustration from it all? Try something like comforting her and as she rejects us start crying. Try to hold it all back, and at the same time comfort her. Make it obvious how much we are struggling here to Mami.

Mami knows how this feels and if she doesn't feel bad, I'll eat Oriko's hat. If we do this we can use a moment of 'weakness' against her and sort of switch our relative positions in the conversation. It turns her from the comfortee to comforter.

EDIT: Use some keywords like "i was alone." and stuff so it hits her further.
 
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Mami's in no position or mindset for trying to give comfort and it wouldn't help with the actress thing. I think the thread's going to give Sabrina an...interesting emotional state no matter what we try and force to happen.
 
Social-fu is SO DIFFICULT UGH.
And now you understand why SV typically prefers to go down the "hit them hard" route rather than attempt diplomacy.

How viable would it be to start crying from the sheer frustration from it all? Try something like comforting her and as she rejects us start crying. Try to hold it all back, and at the same time comfort her. Make it obvious how much we are struggling here to Mami.

Mami knows how this feels and if she doesn't feel bad, I'll eat Oriko's hat. If we do this we can use a moment of 'weakness' against her and sort of switch our relative positions in the conversation. It turns her from the comfortee to comforter.

I personally don't think we should be trying any fancy psychological tricks right now. Part of the reason Mami even got to this state in the first place is due to us lying to her, so lets not compound it with even more lying. Plus, given Sabrina's likely emotional state after this update, I'm not even sure if we can convincingly pull it off.
 
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At this point... you don't leave a suicidal person alone with a knife, no matter what she wants at the time. It's the same principle.

Of course, in this case, it's more "reach into their heart and take out the poison that kills them," but... if you have someone suicidal, you keep them alive. Everything else - even dignity, even soul-privacy - comes second to not dying. Or worse, turning into a Witch.

Y'know, we've been talking about this like Mami witching out and not being composed enough to use the grief seeds is the biggest threat, but it occurs to me that "don't leave a suicidal person alone with a knife" could be a little more literal than figurative here. We might walk into the kitchen to give Mami room, all ready to rush back in if we feel too much grief buildup, and then... suddenly we don't feel any grief from Mami at all, and there's a slump of a body hitting the floor, and we rush back in to see her gem in pieces.

Granted, Mami isn't Sayaka1​ and has a different set of issues. "My soul is a rock and that is terrible" is probably about third on Mami's mind right now after her freakouts about Kyubey and Sabrina, and I don't see those two leading to her immediately opting out like that, so it's more of a niggling worry than panicky red alerts. It still makes me not comfortable with the "give Mami room" votes, though. Not that there's such a thing as a comfortable vote in this case.

1: Imagining an AU where Sayaka contracted. Sayaka got lichbombed while conscious this time and has a freakout. Sabrina trying to physically restrain her so she can't break her gem in a rage. Imagine the sword wounds we'd pick up. Don't worry, we can grow that spleen back.​
 
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Maybe we should just be very alert then, so we can rush in at the first sign of trouble?

If possible, I'd like to add an amendment along those lines.
 
[x] Pull out Aurora and Gwen. Place them infront of Mami.
-[x] "If-If your's gets too dark again, please use these."
[x] "I'm not going to leave you. But I will give you some space."
[x] Go to the kitchen. Make Mami tea.
- [x] Pay attention to Mami's soul gem with your grief sense. If her grief levels start reaching critical levels, remotely cleanse it, no matter what she says
- [x] If Mami tries to talk to us or otherwise engage with us, respond and come back to her.
 
Undue Alarm pt. 29
Your heart plummets even further, and you feel tears prickling at your eyes.

Woodenly, you dip your hand into your pocket, pulling out two Grief Seeds - Aurora, and Gwen, and put them in front of her, two little clinks of metal on tile.

"Mami..." you catch her attention, and she raises her head a little to peek at you over her knees. "If..." you swallow. "If your Soul Gem gets too dark, p-please, use these."

You reach out a hand to her... and wince, shoulders sagging when Mami sways back. "Mami... I'm not going to leave you. But I'll give you some space. I'll be in the kitchen, OK?"

You push yourself to your feet, knees protesting from the time you've been kneeling on the bathroom floor.

On leaden feet, you walk out of the bathroom.

The sofa is still tilted on its back, from Mami's mad scramble earlier.

You sigh, and right it, easily hefting it back to its proper orientation, and replacing the cushions.

A tear drops to the cushions.

You lean on the sofa, head bowed and supporting yourself with both hands on the back of the sofa.

And you just breathe.

You want Mami to be alright.

You just want her to be alright and happy again.

There's a few more wet spots on the sofa.

Another sigh, and you stump into the kitchen, and put the kettle on to boil.

Mami would appreciate some tea, surely.

You lean against the counter, and then let yourself slide down to the floor, hugging your knees to yourself in a mirror of Mami's position. You can still feel her, a blaze of magic and Grief, sitting in the bathroom where you'd left her... two Grief Seeds untouched on the floor in front of her.

Well, she doesn't need them yet.

You stare blindly at the opposite wall as you wait for the kettle to boil.

You jerk upright as a thought strikes you - what if Mami tries to kill herself?

But you can watch her... you can see her motions, written in the delicate burning traceries of magic that make up her body. And she's just... sitting, and rocking back and forth, still in the same miserable huddled position.

The kettle boils, and you lever yourself to your feet, mechanically going through the motions of making a pot of tea. You leave it to steep on the countertop.

"Will you be going Witch hunting tonight?" Homura's voice intrudes on your solitude.

You groan and let your head thump backwards, closing your eyes. Worst timing ever.

"... Sabrina?" A hint of concern enters Homura's voice.

"No, probably not," you reply.

The time traveller hesitates before replying. "Very well."

An unpleasant thought strikes you. "You didn't ask Mami, did you?" you ask.

"No," she replies, sounding puzzled. "Why?"

"Good," you say. "And later."

... the tea's steeped enough by now, and you pour yourself a cup.

Sliding back to the floor again, you drink your tea slowly.

...

The cup's been empty for a while now.

One hand on the countertop, you drag yourself to your feet again. A hand on the side of the teapot tells you that the tea's cold now.

Very briefly, you debate on microwaving it, before grimacing in disgust and pouring it down the drain. You start the kettle again with a sigh.

When the fresh pot of tea is done, you pour out another cup, and look down at it. Maybe...

A few minutes later sees you shuffling back into the bathroom, where Mami's still hunched in a miserable ball. She's stopped crying, at least. The two Grief Seeds lie untouched in front of her.

"M-mami," you say softly, and she looks up at you, expression haunted. You gently put the cup down in front of her, away from the Grief Seeds. "H-here. I made you some tea."

Her eyelids flutter rapidly, as if she's about to cry again. You wince, closing your eyes. "I'm sorry, I shouldn't have..."

You turn to go. There's a crash, a tinkling of metal skittering across tile, and you stumble when two arms wrap around your leg, holding on with desperate strength.

"D-don't go." It's a tiny whisper. "Don't l-leave m-me."

Mami's thrown herself across the floor to latch on to you, ignoring the tea and the Grief Seeds in the way.

[] Write-in

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Oh come on Mami, make up your mind already.
 
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[x] Hug her. Don't leave her.

Nothing else really needs to be said here that we can't say later when we're not gonna flip/cry/whatever.

Also, Yay, nothings on fire! Yet.
 
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