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[x] Godwinson

Covers the important points:
  • Be friendly, make a good impression
  • Our primary goal is to make being Meguca not suffering
  • Here are some of the problems we've encountered and here are the solutions we've come up with
[Q] Be polite
[Q] Be efficient
[Q] Have a plan to kill everyone you meet
 
"Hey Mami, how would you feel about having a romantic candle-and-starlit dinner on the Moon?"

Sounds like a good way to spend Sunday evening after tiring negotiations.
Of course, [Feathers] may or may not be appearing when we are not around, so...I dunno. We don't have ways to test it without horrific risk, do we?
Also, when will we check up on Oriko & Kirika?

[Q] Be polite
[Q] Be efficient
[Q] Have a plan to help, befriend and talk about life choices with everyone you meet
FTFY
 
"Hey Mami, how would you feel about having a romantic candle-and-starlit dinner on the Moon?"
That will, unfortunately, remain quite a bit beyond our capabilities for the foreseeable future. Firstly, even going to just the moon is no short trip--you're looking at three days, minimum. You'd also need to learn orbital mechanics.

And candles? In a small, air-tight room with limited oxygen? We'd need to make or bring CO2 scrubbers.

Still, I think it'd be one hell of a date to do, say, 20 years from now.
 
That will, unfortunately, remain quite a bit beyond our capabilities for the foreseeable future. Firstly, even going to just the moon is no short trip--you're looking at three days, minimum. You'd also need to learn orbital mechanics.

And candles? In a small, air-tight room with limited oxygen? We'd need to make or bring CO2 scrubbers.

Still, I think it'd be one hell of a date to do, say, 20 years from now.

It depends on whether we can remove inertion within the sphere. If we can, well, speed of light is the limit, which means way less than 3 days.

Same with orbital mechanics: depending on how exactly we can screw with physics, we don't care and just ~fly~ there.
Same with air: we grief-up air-producing device from...I dunno, magic or solar power? Or just take big reservoirs of air. Or make pseudo-candles out of grief. Or make way to super-compress air via grief and/or transform CO2 into oxygen.
 
That will, unfortunately, remain quite a bit beyond our capabilities for the foreseeable future. Firstly, even going to just the moon is no short trip--you're looking at three days, minimum. You'd also need to learn orbital mechanics.

And candles? In a small, air-tight room with limited oxygen? We'd need to make or bring CO2 scrubbers.

Still, I think it'd be one hell of a date to do, say, 20 years from now.
Compress and contain spare air using grief, vent spent air regularly. We can probably safely store air at a few GPa. Even if we do things with quick phsyics hacks it's not hard. Upgrading to griefhax is not an issue if we have to do that. It's worth it.

Not a small room. I'm thinking we use most-to-all of our 100m radius, so we'd actually have a big open room the size of a football field.

Grief propulsion means we are not beholden to orbital mechanics. It takes as much or as little time as we want it to.
 
Firstly, even going to just the moon is no short trip--you're looking at three days, minimum. You'd also need to learn orbital mechanics.
Reactionless drives, motherfucker. We can keep accelerating until we're halfway there. The three days is from Apollo, which had to worry about conserving fuel and weight and stuff. Grief spaceships aren't rocket science.
 
returning with minty fresh breath

Ok now that this has been pointed out to me and I've seen it

... And I've recovered from the ensuing Catgirl.exe crash...

I, uhm, um.

I...

I, um....

We uh.

That... That is... Pretty... Direct. Holy fuck. Hoooooooooly fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I... I... I...

Okay no, before I do anything else, I need to make a query to @Firnagzen -- er, well, to IC, that is.

@Firnagzen -- to be clear -- Mami doesn't normally do this as far as we can tell, right? We've been around her for a while now. Has she ever had, quote, "minty fresh breath" before.

*intake of breath*

Also... Estimate of time remaining before we need to leave?

It's slow going, though, and by the time you finish, carefully setting table-chan back on the frame, it's nearly time to go.

Obviously not a lot.
 
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No, planes are cramped and you can't move around and end up being super unpleasant. Also, japan - europe is like 15 hours in the air. If we're going to spend that long, then we can just ascend and descend slowly enough - even 20 minutes would be more than enough - that we don't get noticeable compressive heating.
Hm. You know what? This gives me ideas.

We've already created an aerodynamic plane that can either go supersonic or quite fast subsonic speeds.

What we need to do is make a full-out spaceplane capable of reaching the upper atmosphere (easy; the trick is getting there with enough velocity to make the trip short while not going so fast as to make the launch itself unpleasant. We could probably use griefhax to create inertial dampeners, because magic), whereby we could accelerate to speeds of Fuck You Physics without having to worry about blowing out the windows of the buildings below us, or creating some kind of massive fireball in the sky that would require massive Kyubey intervention. (It would also get rid of air resistance, making accelerating easier).

We'd also need to create grief constructs that can calculate/plot and display our course, as well as plot new ones to specific destinations. As in, computerize the whole thing, but with grief constructs. To make it actually work, we'd also need to make rocket engines that are also grief constructs, controlled by the grief construct computers. Oh, and grief construct radar and displays, so that we don't accidentally hit a satellite or space station (or aircraft, when in atmosphere)

The truly tricky part would be the deceleration/atmospheric reentry. The thing is, we can totally cheat once we're back in-atmosphere--thanks to inertial dampeners and our grief control, we could get 70 kilometers above our destination, stop on a relative dime, and then just descend the rest of the way in a controlled dive. If we want to arrive in secret, we could just make a smaller, normal "aircraft" out of normal grief one stopped a reasonable distance from our destination, transfer our luggage to the craft and board it, and reclaim the grief of the spaceplane back into normal storage or Grief Seeds, and then just fly in slowly the rest of the way.

Now, you might be asking, why go through all that trouble when we could just take a 15-hour plane ride like normal people? Well, here are the answers:
1) Fuck 15-hour flights. Seriously. Let's do a suborbital hop in two hours.
2) We have magic, and grief costs mean nothing to us. Why not?
3) It means that we can get to wherever we need to go MUCH faster if there's an emergency or crisis.
4) So that we can one-up Sakura in epic fashion.
5) It doesn't cost us money, and 15-hour, trans-oceanic flights are expensive.
6) Done properly, it'd be a lot more comfortable. All the leg room you could want, no turbulence, no airport security, no limitations on luggage space, no crying babies, no one putting his seat right in your face, no jet lag.
7) It's awesome.
 
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Ok now that this has been pointed out to me and I've seen it

... And I've recovered from the ensuing Catgirl.exe crash...

I, uhm, um.

I...

I, um....

We uh.

That... That is... Pretty... Direct. Holy fuck. Hoooooooooly fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I... I... I...

Okay no, before I do anything else, I need to make a query to @Firnagzen -- er, well, to IC, that is.

@Firnagzen -- to be clear -- Mami doesn't normally do this as far as we can tell, right? We've been around her for a while now. Has she ever had, quote, "minty fresh breath" before.

*intake of breath*

Also... Estimate of time remaining before we need to leave?

She brushed her teeth. Of course it's going to smell fresh and/or minty. I doubt that QM specifically pointing it out was an accident, but you guys are such saps.:rolleyes:

Anyway, are you guys going to ask Mami or Homura for advice on the upcoming meeting? They know her better then Sabina does and there might be some magical protocol for situations like this or something.
 
Now, you might be asking, why go through all that trouble when we could just take a 15-hour plane ride like normal people? Well, here are the answers:
1) Fuck 15-hour flights. Seriously. Let's do a suborbital hop in two hours.
2) We have magic, and grief costs mean nothing to us. Why not?
3) It means that we can get to wherever we need to go MUCH faster if there's an emergency or crisis.
4) So that we can one-up Sakura in epic fashion.
5) It doesn't cost us money, and 15-hour, trans-oceanic flights are expensive.
6) Done properly, it'd be a lot more comfortable. All the leg room you could want, no turbulence, no airport security, no limitations on luggage space, no crying babies, no one putting his seat right in your face.
7) It's awesome.

DAMN RIGHT SALTY
 
Why couldn't we just make the grief move, like we've been doing?
Because that would mean manually controlling the craft with our magic, which means that we'd be winging the entire thing--our speed, our course, our timing--just like we did with the University group incident, except without any kind of landmarks or familiarity with the area to help us. Much better to have grief-construct rocket engines (with no concerns for fuel, since magic) that are slaved to the grief-construct navigational computers and have the entire thing be more or less automated and more controlled.

Trying to do the whole thing manually would be exhausting.
 
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She brushed her teeth. Of course it's going to smell fresh and/or minty. I doubt that QM specifically pointing it out was an accident, but you guys are such saps.:rolleyes:

And this is why I'm fucking asking Firn. Because we should know what her breath smells like when she brushes her teeth, by now. And therefore we should know if there's a difference. And I don't want to do something like I'm considering without that knowledge.
 
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That's probably next months tech, though.

Not 20 years. 20 years is ridiculous. In 20 years we'll have Psi-gates and Bulk Matter Transporters and be on the Threshold of Transcendence trying to build a device that can blast the entire contents of the internet into...

the mind...

of...

MY GOD. WE'RE PLANET.
 
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And this is why I'm fucking asking Firn. Because we should know what her breath smells like when she brushes her teeth, by now. And therefore we should know if there's a difference. And I don't want to do something like I'm considering without that knowledge.

Don't people's breath usually smell fresh and minty after brushing their teeth and/or using mouthwash? What else would it smell like?

This whole line inquiry is weird. What are you considering?
 
Because that would mean manually controlling the craft with our magic, which means that we'd be winging the entire thing--our speed, our course, our timing--just like we did with the University group incident, except without any kind of landmarks or familiarity with the area to help us. Much better to have grief-construct rocket engines (with no concerns for fuel, since magic) that are slaved to the grief-construct navigational computers and have the entire thing be more or less automated and more controlled.

Trying to do the whole thing manually would be exhausting.
Or we can just griefhax up a runabout shuttle from Star Trek and ignore physics because we have magic?
 
Also, are we seriously thinking about kiss-kissing Mami?

*looks at where the update cut-off*

You know, that... might be...



*blushes brightly and flees the thread*
 
Don't people's breath usually smell fresh and minty after brushing their teeth and/or using mouthwash? What else would it smell like?

This whole line inquiry is weird. What are you considering?

If we acquire evidence that Mami actually reacted to us kissing her on the cheek by running off and grabbing a breath mint then I am prepared to vote in a "maiden voyage" line for WhiteRibbon, carefully considered and well thought out, with explicit plans to deal with the short timing and the inevitable postponement and etcetera.

Entirely because of a simple thought:

How many girls run off to grab a breath mint and then actually get a first kiss there and then?

But if we don't have evidence, then no. If her breath smells normal, no.
 
[X] Vebyast

because it's basically the same as @Godwinson, but @Vebyast has a little more clarity on the "no violence in Mitakihara" thing which is super-important.

I also like the idea of seeking more counsel from Mami and Homura, though.
 
If we acquire evidence that Mami actually reacted to us kissing her on the cheek by running off and grabbing a breath mint then I am prepared to vote in a "maiden voyage" line for WhiteRibbon, carefully considered and well thought out, with explicit plans to deal with the short timing and the inevitable postponement and etcetera.

Entirely because of a simple thought:

How many girls run off to grab a breath mint and then actually get a first kiss there and then?

But if we don't have evidence, then no. If her breath smells normal, no.

You guys are really jumping the gun there, then.:V Seriously overthinking things.

The primary though seems to have been on Mami for the last few update so really that much of a surprise, though.
 
[X] Vebyast
-[Q] It's probably not okay to Kiss-kiss Mami... But you want to anyway.
-[Q] Definitely... Definitely shouldn't get impulsive. Like, nothing's confirmed right? Don't kiss-kiss Mami.
-[Q] Oh god your babbling! Quick, gotta distract her so she doesn't realize what you said! Kiss her!
-[Q] die of embarrassment
 
Also, are we seriously thinking about kiss-kissing Mami?

*looks at where the update cut-off*

You know, that... might be...
Yeah, the timing on the end of the thread is really suspicious.
If we acquire evidence that Mami actually reacted to us kissing her on the cheek by running off and grabbing a breath mint then I am prepared to vote in a "maiden voyage" line for WhiteRibbon, carefully considered and well thought out, with explicit plans to deal with the short timing and the inevitable postponement and etcetera.
Agree. Like, don't push it. Initiative is a big thing, especially given that one of the problems we're thinking Mami is having is a fear of starting things in case she drives us away. We've pushed it enough today already, ball's in her court. At most we say something mushy and leave her an opening. I will note that I'd be good with editing the current vote to keep Sabrina available during snuggles if Mami wants to start it.

If she did go out and get a breath mint, though... that's pretty overt. Enough that I'd be surprised if it was easy for her. Should we, ahem, demonstrate approval, not stress her out more by making her make the decision again? We already made her do a lot recently, and it'd be iffy to make her make the same decision twice in a row.

edit: If she starts to lean in before hesitating and backing off, for example, I'd absolutely go for it. A breath mint would be an obvious enough message that it feels like it should deserve the same kind of reaction.
 
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