I don't see how a heat of the moment thing prevents someone from being our friend.

Oriko and Kirika have done far worse, and we call the latter our Best Buddy.
They also weren't our friends for any length of time. There is a difference between fighting idiots that think they are saving the world with literal future vision to back them up, and one of your friends accusing you of purposely ripping a beaten opponents arm off to indulge in your violent vigilantism.

One is somewhat understandable. The other speaks of a serious doubt of your character and an absolute lack of any kind of trust.
 
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"There's no alternative justice save what we impose on each other," you say, exhaling slowly. "Yet. But we weren't out for revenge, when we went after tehm before anyone else got hurt, or worse. We didn't heal Oriko's arm at the time as a concession. So that we'd have some reassurance that they'd stay under house arrest."

Just pointing this out.
 
(my step-mother accused me of attempting to murder her for a start)
Dear god man, shit like this having happened to you is why i worry about you.

You do know we say that ironically, right? Because Kirika would cheerfully bathe in our blood and wear our skull as a hat if Oriko even suggested she'd like to see that.
Is it a bucket hat tho :V

Just pointing this out.
Tehmmie has struck again :V
 
You do know we say that ironically, right? Because Kirika would cheerfully bathe in our blood and wear our skull as a hat if Oriko even suggested she'd like to see that.
It's not ironic, it's complicated. Sure, Kirika wouldn't think twice about murdering us if she was told to, but as long as she hasn't been told to she's great. Have you forgotten every interaction we've had with her since the arrest?
 
Oookay. That's not healthy imo.

*shrug* It's one of the things about myself I'm most proud of. I consider it an ideal. I may be really bad at most things, but at least that's one thing I can manage to do properly. Besides, I'm well aware of the fact that I ... have problems (it's really hard not to word that much more strongly, but I'm trying to apply what I learned in therapy), so I can't be hypocritical about other people having problems too. I've been forgiven, so how can I refuse to forgive?

They also weren't our friends for any length of time. There is a difference between fighting idiots that think they are saving the world with literal future vision to back them up, and one of your friends accusing you of purposely ripping a beaten opponents arm off to indulge in your violent vigilantism.

One is somewhat understandable. The other speaks of a serious doubt of your character and an absolute lack of any kind of trust.

Firstly, Hitomi has a point. We've done worse. Secondly, Sabrina actually can be kind of vindictive sometimes. Thirdly, she clearly said that she did not think it would be something we'd do under normal conditions,but only when we were too angry to think clearly. Fourthly, how have we earned that much trust and faith in our character anyway? Fifthly, my dad probably would be happy to rip off her arm. I may disagree with him on that, but I still love him and am still going to consider being compared to him to be mostly a good thing.

Dear god man, shit like this having happened to you is why i worry about you.

Yeah, well. I was kind of shocked and did immediately offer to take a polygraph, but still. Besides, that's still a relatively small blip on the radar. I mean, my dad still blames me for having been abused by her (and she still doesn't think she did anything wrong). I may not like it, but refusing to forgive them isn't worth it IMO.
 
You do know we say that ironically, right? Because Kirika would cheerfully bathe in our blood and wear our skull as a hat if Oriko even suggested she'd like to see that.
It's hard to tell at times, really.
They also weren't our friends for any length of time. There is a difference between fighting idiots that think they are saving the world with literal future vision to back them up, and one of your friends accusing you of purposely ripping a beaten opponents arm off to indulge in your violent vigilantism.

One is somewhat understandable. The other speaks of a serious doubt of your character and an absolute lack of any kind of trust.
You're talking to a angry preteen here. Forgive me if I don't begrudge them for running their mouths before knowing everything. As literal children, they should be given more leeway when it comes to emotional outbursts, otherwise, I'd take kids "I hate you!" outbursts after they don't get what they want a bit too seriously.
 
They made earnest attempts to kill you. They did blow your leg off. Your arm, rather.
What's this about our arm?
Did we get blown up another time aside from this one and I forgot?:
Your right leg, extended from the jump and caught in the brunt of the blast, is little more than a mangled mess of flesh, shredded tatters hanging from the bone.



"Sayaka." You don't let your voice waver ad you address her. "You have a right to be angry about a lot of things-"
"Right," you say. Mami squeezes your hand lightly in silent support. You need hard green eyes once more.
Phone being evil.

Mami frowns. "For the sake of all of us, I'm going to clean up the the glass, except the ones who are dead"

Life is clearing up a bit for now!
Hooray! *Party horn*
 
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*shrug* It's one of the things about myself I'm most proud of. I consider it an ideal. I may be really bad at most things, but at least that's one thing I can manage to do properly. Besides, I'm well aware of the fact that I ... have problems (it's really hard not to word that much more strongly, but I'm trying to apply what I learned in therapy), so I can't be hypocritical about other people having problems too. I've been forgiven, so how can I refuse to forgive?
I'll admit I am unable to understand your viewpoint regarding this issue.
 
I'll admit I am unable to understand your viewpoint regarding this issue.
Um, I do bad things and want to be forgiven, so how it'd be hypocritical to not forgive others? I don't have a leg to stand on when claiming that they are unforgivable, because of what I've done myself? Treat others the way you wish to be treated and I wish to be forgiven? I've been forgiven, so how do I have the right to refuse to forgive others?

Of course, I'm Christian and forgiveness is kind of a big deal to us, so that may colour my viewpoint.
 
Um, I do bad things and want to be forgiven, so how it'd be hypocritical to not forgive others? I don't have a leg to stand on when claiming that they are unforgivable, because of what I've done myself? Treat others the way you wish to be treated and I wish to be forgiven? I've been forgiven, so how do I have the right to refuse to forgive others?
The way you do it at the drop of a (bucket) hat doesn't make sense to me. I'm religious too, and forgiveness is all well and good, but what good is forgiveness if the other party doesn't believe they did anything wrong to you? We ought to cease the discussion though, we're getting way off-topic I think.
 
Remember, remember, the wish / of Sayaka~

[x] Sayaka, if I had told you immediately... What would you have done? No, don't answer that, it's fairly clear: you would've contracted under duress. Anything less wouldn't have been you. Nobody should have to do that, Sayaka. No one more. We want your help, Sayaka. You're brash, hardheaded, and you tunnel vision too easily, but you're also courageous, willful, focused, strong, and posessed of the sort of iron moral compass that meguca should have but generally do not. That said, telling you under the conditions at the time, knowing that you might do something as permanent as making a contract under those conditions... Can you see how that might be immoral?
-[x] And no, I'm not defending not telling you afterwards, dammit. Just at that specific time.
[x] Hitomi, yes.
[x] Don't let Mami get rid of the glass, although she probably won't anyway. We can fix table-chan.
 
[X] Kaizuki

Also, if we can learn proper procedure for repairing stained glass, we indeed have the griefology to repair table-chan.
 
That went...... better than I expected.

Although given what my expectations were, I suppose that doesn't really take much.
 
Remember, remember, the wish / of Sayaka~

[x] Sayaka, if I had told you immediately... What would you have done? No, don't answer that, it's fairly clear: you would've contracted under duress. Anything less wouldn't have been you. Nobody should have to do that, Sayaka. No one more. We want your help, Sayaka. You're brash, hardheaded, and you tunnel vision too easily, but you're also courageous, willful, focused, strong, and posessed of the sort of iron moral compass that meguca should have but generally do not. That said, telling you under the conditions at the time, knowing that you might do something as permanent as making a contract under those conditions... Can you see how that might be immoral?
-[x] And no, I'm not defending not telling you afterwards, dammit. Just at that specific time.
[x] Hitomi, yes.
[x] Don't let Mami get rid of the glass, although she probably won't anyway. We can fix table-chan.
This. This. This. This.

Exactly the tone we need to strike with Sayaka.

[X] Kaizuki
 
We could tell Sayaka we were gonna tell her at the hospital... but her dad was there and we found about the memorywipes... then we put it off and off and were just comfortable with the situation controlled as it was...

Currently watching PMMM.
Goddamnit Homuraplomancy is just so...uuuugh. Cringeworthy and sad and why this.
 
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