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Gadjo said:
"Dear, I know you're in another timeline but it wouldn't kill you to call once in awhile."
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"You know, technically, it would."

"Oh, come on, she's a main character! Those can have any amount of near death experiences they want."

"Ohhh... is that why you've been sitting in Limbo for so long?"

"Yes, but she keeps being cautious and stuff..."

*Rolls eyes*
"I thought you wanted Sabrina to Witch Out so you could go see her."

"Homura, that's horrible."

"Eh, it's not so bad."

"..."

"... I got over it."

"..."

"... I will get over it. One day."
 
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Sabrina should show up at the meeting:

A. in a grief iron man suit, that she built in a cave with a box of grief.
B. in invisible armor. "Why do you feel like a witch to our senses?" "Ok, I connfess, I am a witch!"
C. No armor, but a fake soul gem on her person while a Chibi stays within the required distance while holding her real gem. She can recover from a headshot, can't she?

TheEyes said:
As @Onmur said above: Madoka's Potential is now high enough that she can destroy the Universe with her Wish; at the very least her Wish is powerful enough to slaughter everyone on Earth and destroy the planet. Madoka has Wished in nearly every single reality that Homura has been to, and it has been a disaster every time we're aware of (with the possible exception of the very last one; we're not actually totally sure about that one). All this makes it imperative that she not Wish.

Throw in the kicker that the Incubators are non-human monsters who Contract girls in order to harvest Grief for their anti-entropy mission, and they are desperate to get Madoka in particular to Wish because her Potential is high enough that they just don't care that her Wish will destroy Earth. This means they'll be trying to target her at every opportunity, and she has to be extra on her guard to not believe their lies.

That should be sufficient.


The only thing that bothers me is that I'm not sure what the nature of Potential is, and how it relates to the reality-warping powers. What exactly is Potential; what am I giving up in exchange for reality warping powers?
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I run the risk of talking about a topic not pertinent to tje Quest, but if Madoka wishes in every timeline... ...why does her potential continue to accrue?

Magical girls lose their potential after they wish don't they? That's why they don't get to wish again isn't it?

So the karmic potential of every universe preceding the last should have already been used, shouldn't it?
 
Matou Sutegobana said:
Sabrina should show up at the meeting:

A. in a grief iron man suit, that she built in a cave with a box of grief.
B. in invisible armor. "Why do you feel like a witch to our senses?" "Ok, I connfess, I am a witch!"
C. No armor, but a fake soul gem on her person while a Chibi stays within the required distance while holding her real gem. She can recover from a headshot, can't she?



I run the risk of talking about a topic not pertinent to tje Quest, but if Madoka wishes in every timeline... ...why does her potential continue to accrue?

Magical girls lose their potential after they wish don't they? That's why they don't get to wish again isn't it?

So the karmic potential of every universe preceding the last should have already been used, shouldn't it?
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Magical girls do not lose their potential after they wish and it can even continue to grow after they wish. Apparently Tart is an example.
 
Redshirt Army said:
No, it really, really isn't. For one thing, an immortal with perfect time travel does not have definitionally perfect knowledge of their own future, which is highly relevant in the Rebellion case.

You wanna argue this? Cause I'm drunk enough to take this all the way, bucko!
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Please don't engage with Sereg's stupid keikaku theory. I've been there and done that and it never ends well.
 
Speaking of votes, I'm going to make this official. I don't think that the current bandwagon's "hold on, extremely angry teenager, let me get back to you" approach will work out.


[X] Make an "It's okay, hold off," hand motion to Mami.
[X] Hitomi, I think you've misunderstood something. I didn't deliberately take Oriko's arm as some sort of retribution. I would never do such thing. Heck, I wasn't even the one who took her arm off. This was combat. Real battles between magical girls aren't like anime, where they throw glitter at each other and everybody comes out okay. They're brutal, and people get hurt very badly. All of us had injuries that would have put a normal person in the hospital. We spend hours putting Oriko back together afterwards just so that she wouldn't die.
[X] *turn to Sayaka* Magical girls are living weapons. We are dangerous. If a magical girl gets angry and starts throwing punches around, she could seriously hurt a normal person. You see that broken glass that you just sent flying all over the room? Sayaka, your little temper tantrum right now could have killed Hitomi. I understand that you're upset, but you need to use your words, not your fists. They are lethal weapons. You have a right to be angry with me, but I won't stand for you destroying Mami's home or threatening people.
-[X] I'm sorry that I didn't tell you about this sooner. You want to know why I didn't? I was afraid to. I thought you might lose your temper and do something rash and someone would get hurt. Exactly like what you're doing right now. You think I made the wrong decision? Then prove to me that I was wrong by not losing your self control.
 
This may seem a bit odd since I've never been in favor of shouting at, cursing, or even condescending to them about how they don't know what its really like in the magical world; however they can hold on a moment when asked or they can have a ribbon time out in which we are justified to criticize their behavior!

Of course, I actually have faith that a non-grief spiralling Sayaka wouldn't go any further than she has already.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I'm drunk. I won't remember this shitstorm in the morning

the perfect crime
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Your critical mistake was assuming that it will end that quickly.

The Narrator said:
Speaking of votes, I'm going to make this official. I don't think that the current bandwagon's "hold on, extremely angry teenager, let me get back to you" approach will work out.


[X] Make an "It's okay, hold off," hand motion to Mami.
[X] Hitomi, I think you've misunderstood something. I didn't deliberately take Oriko's arm as some sort of retribution. I would never do such thing. Heck, I wasn't even the one who took her arm off. This was combat. Real battles between magical girls aren't like anime, where they throw glitter at each other and everybody comes out okay. They're brutal, and people get hurt very badly. All of us had injuries that would have put a normal person in the hospital. We spend hours putting Oriko back together afterwards just so that she wouldn't die.
[X] *turn to Sayaka* Magical girls are living weapons. We are dangerous. If a magical girl gets angry and starts throwing punches around, she could seriously hurt a normal person. You see that broken glass that you just sent flying all over the room? Sayaka, your little temper tantrum right now could have killed Hitomi. I understand that you're upset, but you need to use your words, not your fists. They are lethal weapons. You have a right to be angry with me, but I won't stand for you destroying Mami's home or threatening people.
-[X] I'm sorry that I didn't tell you about this sooner. You want to know why I didn't? I was afraid to. I thought you might lose your temper and do something rash and someone would get hurt. Exactly like what you're doing right now. You think I made the wrong decision? Then prove to me that I was wrong by not losing your self control.
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and back to the problem of assuming we know what Hitomi meant, despite her being vague as fuck.
 
LostDeviljho said:
and back to the problem of assuming we know what Hitomi meant, despite her being vague as fuck.
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I feel like it's the most likely meaning of her statement, given what we said right beforehand, as well as the one that'll give her the most negative impression of us. But if it's either of the other two possible interpretations, then we'll need to do some speechifying, so it'll probably need another update anyway.
 
The Narrator said:
I feel like it's the most likely meaning of her statement, given what we said right beforehand, as well as the one that'll give her the most negative impression of us. But if it's either of the other two possible interpretations, then we'll need to do some speechifying, so it'll probably need another update anyway.
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There are a lot more than two other possible meanings.
 
Sereg said:
There are a lot more than two other possible meanings.
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There's really only three I can think of:
  • Being too cruel, thinking we took her arm as retribution.
  • Not going through proper judicial procedure.
  • Not letting Hitomi do the dismembering herself (sort of implies that she really is a Yakuza princess.)
What others are you thinking of?
 
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TheEyes said:
There's really only three I can think of:
  • Being too cruel, thinking we took her arm as retribution.
  • Not going through proper judicial procedure.
  • Not letting Hitomi do the dismembering herself (sort of implies that she really is a Yakuza princess.)
What others are you thinking of?
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"How dare you pronounce judgement that cutting off her arm was a large enough punishment?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we didn't have to know?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we didn't need to be there?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we couldn't administer the punishment ourselves?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that cutting off her arm was an appropriate punishment?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking us how to punish her?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking the police to?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking the court system to?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of creating a court to do so?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement by chasing her instead of minding your own business?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement by refusing to leave her alone to do what she wants?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of deciding what to do based on vote?"

I suspect if I was more awake I could think of more.
 
Sereg said:
"How dare you pronounce judgement that cutting off her arm was a large enough punishment?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we didn't have to know?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we didn't need to be there?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that we couldn't administer the punishment ourselves?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that cutting off her arm was an appropriate punishment?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking us how to punish her?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking the police to?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of asking the court system to?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of creating a court to do so?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement by chasing her instead of minding your own business?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement by refusing to leave her alone to do what she wants?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement instead of deciding what to do based on vote?"

I suspect if I was more awake I could think of more.
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That list gets progressively more ridiculous the further it goes.
 
LostDeviljho said:
That list gets progressively more ridiculous the further it goes.
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I don't know. I think the first one has a fair amount of ridiculousness and it's relatively evenly sprinkled throughout the list.

That said, if I wanted to get really ridiculous:

"How dare you pronounce judgement that it was an arm and not something else you cut off? Are you medical professionals or do you just randomly guess which body-part you are looking at?"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that she was a magical girl? Maybe she was a member of another, underrepresented member of the magical community."
"How dare you pronounce judgement that she was a magical girl? Maybe he simply liked wearing clothes conforming to feminine gender stereotypes."
"How dare you pronounce judgement that she was her girlfriend? Girls can't love girls! That's forbidden love! They are obviously just close friends!"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that it was a fight? Maybe it was only a light scuffle. People should stop hyping u such events. They inevitably turn out to be disappointments."
"How dare you pronounce judgement that she was a precog? Maybe she just read up on how to read people's fortunes by being really vague!"
"How dare you pronounce judgement that she was trying to do that to save someones' life? She attacked me and committed arson and you just trust her!? How gullible are you!?"
 
The three reasonable meanings that I see:
  1. You have no right to pass judgment (by taking her arm in retaliation for mine).
  2. You have no right to pass judgment (by taking the law into your own hands instead of the proper authorities).
  3. You have no right to pass judgment (instead of us, her victims).

Meaning #1 is easy to counter just by explaining that we didn't.

Meaning #3 is easy to counter by explaining that we were also her victim, because she shredded our leg with an IED. (Maybe I should include that in our statement.)

Meaning #2 will take a bit more to counter, since we'd have to explain why human authorities are powerless in the face of magical girl crimes. Possibly I could segue into that after talking about how magical girls are deadly weapons.

The fact that she didn't get upset with us until we (entirely-too-casually) mentioned Oriko losing her arm strongly indicates that it's Meaning #1.
 
[K] Kaizuki

Sorry Sereg, but I need to jump to a vote that can possibly win and that I wouldn't mind winning.

Also its entirely possible, I'd even say most probable, that Hitomi's reasoning was ridiculous. Especially considering her action taken.
 
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Matou Sutegobana said:
that Hitomi's reasoning was ridiculous. Especially considering her action taken.
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Hitomi's probably triggered and angry, but she acted in a calm and controlled fashion.

I'm more concerned that Sayaka's about to blow up, so she needs to be addressed her first.

[Q] Kiss Mami in the cheek to calm her down distract her.
-[Q] Hitomi, Hitomi, Hitomi... You should've stuck to tummy punches! Maybe then you would've stood a chance.
--[Q] Challenge Hitomi to a duel of honor!
---[Q] At this point, Sayaka should jump arguing that this is unfair or something silly like that. Agree that Sayaka will be Hitomi's Champion.
----[Q] But if Hitomi gets a Champion then it's fair that you also get one.
-----[Q] At this point Mami should've snapped out of it, so put your palm in her face to stop her from doing anything silly.
------[Q] Name Kure Kirika as your Champion.
-------[Q] Nothing can go wrong with this plan.
 
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